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[Suryavanshi]

Can't find the tweet... Is it deleted???

Muria couldn't handle the bantz so they had elon delete it.

Spoiler

its a fake mate

 

[The Shrike]

Very based opinion sir.

Jaishankar agrees.

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I don’t see this tweet in his timeline, can you post the link? TIA.

Spoiler: Meanwhile something that actually is on his timeline…

 

[jai jaganath]

A test from a C17 underbelly will definitely kick up some whirlwinds!

I mean how can they integrate Agni-5 under c-17
Forget weight and all other physics will usa allow it

 

[Lonewarrior]

I mean how can they integrate Agni-5 under c-17
Forget weight and all other physics will usa allow it

Now these are the types of questions I love

First thing first, underbelly launching is probably a typo, it can't be done with traditional landing gear. But let's look at cargo bay launch

First physics. To launch a ballistic missile from air you simply need to do four steps involving very basic levels of physics.

- The aircraft slightly pitches up; even the smallest angle will work.
- Drag chutes deploy in the airstream and pulls a platform with Agni-5 on it
- The platform has stabilisation system to orient the missile in a nose up position.
- Explosive bolts fire and separate this platform from the missile; making is ready for ignition.

How easy are these steps? Well US has already done this in early 70s, so ya.

Now coming to weight.
Agni-5 is 17.5m long and weighs about 55t.
Cargo hold of C-17 is 25m long and can hold 77t.

In case US denies us C-17, still we can get around this. Remember our good ol Gajraj?
Cargo hold length of 17.5m and capacity of 60t.

 

[defc0n]

I mean how can they integrate Agni-5 under c-17
Forget weight and all other physics will usa allow it

Chill, that was a joke! A5 from air said that article, so tried to imagine what it would look like. For reference, Kinzhal is a likely candidate for comparison, but yeah, the post was not serious!

 

[Lonewarrior]

You can definitely question the efficacy of a Fighter-UCAV. You can point out the level of maturity of Turkish jet engine. Or you can simply deny everything by saying they don't have sufficient technological advancements.

But can you ignore this pic?

 

[blackleaf]

You can definitely question the efficacy of a Fighter-UCAV. You can point out the level of maturity of Turkish jet engine. Or you can simply deny everything by saying they don't have sufficient technological advancements.

But can you ignore this pic?View attachment 186361

The Kizilelma development timeframe looks very impressive and it would be interesting to see how effective it is. Its relatively low payload means that it still can't replace fighters in air to ground. Its semi-stealth body shaping should give it a chance in air to air but that would depend on effectiveness of the AI that controls it.
The Ghatak should be stealthier given its flying wing design which should also make it more survivable and capable. However a flying wing design is much more difficult to master and the development timelines will be much delayed compared to the Kizilelma.

 

[skunk works]

as far as the 5-eyes nations are concerned, they got all the telemetry they need on the recent test: the top secret PINE GAP facility must have seen everything.

 

[Suryavanshi]

You can definitely question the efficacy of a Fighter-UCAV. You can point out the level of maturity of Turkish jet engine. Or you can simply deny everything by saying they don't have sufficient technological advancements.

But can you ignore this pic?View attachment 186361

We have picked up a negative trait of bringing down others to cope with our own competence.
All thanks to the users here going back to their abusive Relationship(PEeDF) again and again, their habits rub off on us

 

[Gyyan]

The Kizilelma development timeframe looks very impressive and it would be interesting to see how effective it is. Its relatively low payload means that it still can't replace fighters in air to ground. Its semi-stealth body shaping should give it a chance in air to air but that would depend on effectiveness of the AI that controls it.
The Ghatak should be stealthier given its flying wing design which should also make it more survivable and capable. However a flying wing design is much more difficult to master and the development timelines will be much delayed compared to the Kizilelma.

The first flight of Tai fx has been pulled forward too.

 

[kharabela]

You can definitely question the efficacy of a Fighter-UCAV. You can point out the level of maturity of Turkish jet engine. Or you can simply deny everything by saying they don't have sufficient technological advancements.

But can you ignore this pic?View attachment 186361

We need private companies with deep pockets in aerospace industry .

 

[SavageKing456]

damm

check the second tweet

That's a spacex rocket

 

[Lonewarrior]

Its relatively low payload means that it still can't replace fighters in air to ground.

What it'll replace is burden from pilots. Now every time the scramble alarm will sound these drones will take off. Remember we always had the concept of Ground-Controlled Interception; this drone will simply take that to new levels. Also if you look at it from the perspective of a loyal wingman then the payload will seem normal.

Ya it can't carry that much armament for ground attack but it can carry sufficient load to target high-value assets and air-defence system to make the sky safe for Akinci.

The Ghatak should be stealthier given its flying wing design which should also make it more survivable and capable.

So you're saying that our very first try at stealth technology and also very first attempt at flying wing will be better than RQ-170?

 

[Suryavanshi]

We need private companies with deep pockets in aerospace industry .

It takes decade for a private firm to get to this level of tech.
A private enterprise incorporated today will take at least till 2035- 2040 To arrive at the same stage.
Kudos to Turks, they have proven 100 odd Motivated people+Full gov backing > dozen sarkari afsar run factories and Organisation with workforce of 10 k.

The issue is not our scientists but management.
Might be a sweeping statement but babu ,gormint, sarkari culture does not breed competence to the level of private industries. This is not saying our own private industries are any better.
TAI has experienced fellas working for them who have been previously associated with Europeans and North American Industries.

 

[kharabela]

It takes decade for a private firm to get to this level of tech.
A private enterprise incorporated today will take at least till 2035- 2040 To arrive at the same stage.
Kudos to Turks, they have proven 100 odd Motivated people+Full gov backing > dozen sarkari afsar run factories and Organisation with workforce of 10 k.

The issue is not our scientists but management.
Might be a sweeping statement but babu ,gormint, sarkari culture does not breed competence to the level of private industries. This is not saying our own private industries are any better.
TAI has experienced fellas working for them who have been previously associated with Europeans and North American Industries.

We already have the talent ecosystem and required academia . Best move forward is to privatize PSUs .

 

[Lonewarrior]

talent ecosystem and required academia

Having a large pool of CS/IT engineers not knowing anything except "xx lpa package" doesn't qualify into any one of those aforementioned terms.

Open any patent database and show me how many actual innovation are there. We don't even have a R&D mindset, let alone ecosystem. It's been hardly two three years since we are seeing any trace of real world innovation; be it an army officers making machine pistol or a random guy cloning SCAR.

 

[ezsasa]

It takes decade for a private firm to get to this level of tech.
A private enterprise incorporated today will take at least till 2035- 2040 To arrive at the same stage.
Kudos to Turks, they have proven 100 odd Motivated people+Full gov backing > dozen sarkari afsar run factories and Organisation with workforce of 10 k.

The issue is not our scientists but management.
Might be a sweeping statement but babu ,gormint, sarkari culture does not breed competence to the level of private industries. This is not saying our own private industries are any better.
TAI has experienced fellas working for them who have been previously associated with Europeans and North American Industries.

another aspect to be kept in mind, the role of being part of security alliance plays in these sorts of things.

India chose not to be part of any security alliance pact, which limits the access to tech. it's a deliberate choice.
if it is going to be long journey for Indian MIC, so be it.
if turkey is making the best of their situation, good for them.

 

[karn]

So the Agni5 can reach Britain now

 

[karn]

The Kizilelma development timeframe looks very impressive and it would be interesting to see how effective it is. Its relatively low payload means that it still can't replace fighters in air to ground. Its semi-stealth body shaping should give it a chance in air to air but that would depend on effectiveness of the AI that controls it.
The Ghatak should be stealthier given its flying wing design which should also make it more survivable and capable. However a flying wing design is much more difficult to master and the development timelines will be much delayed compared to the Kizilelma.

Kizilelmas Indian equivalent would be the CATS warrior not the Ghatak.
Current status

Flight Testing Of India's 'Loyal Wingman' Warrior Drone To Begin By 2024: Report

HAL's Warrior is being developed to go into combat as a loyal wingman drone with existing manned fighter jets like LCA Tejas and Rafale of the IAF.A mock-up of the drone, which first emerged in 2019, found a place at HAL's pavilion at Aero India 2021.

swarajyamag.com

If they plan to fly it by 2024 they should roll it out next year . Fingers crossed

 

[kharabela]

Having a large pool of CS/IT engineers not knowing anything except "xx lpa package" doesn't qualify into any one of those aforementioned terms.

Open any patent database and show me how many actual innovation are there. We don't even have a R&D mindset, let alone ecosystem. It's been hardly two three years since we are seeing any trace of real world innovation; be it an army officers making machine pistol or a random guy cloning SCAR.

You ll find indians in most of the top R&D institution . And they have achieved a lot in foreign countries . Never had the required ecosystem to absorb them .