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[Blood+]

dont we blow up concrete pakistani bunkers on the LOC with atgms all the time ? i think those are HEAT warheads.

Yeah, and that's why it often takes multiple hits to collapse a bunker. Had these missiles been fitted with dedicated bunker-busting warheads, one hit would do the job.

hard to believe anyway that the modular one will withstand t-90 round at 100m

True that.

 

[Jambudweepa]

 

[Jambudweepa]

 

[Jambudweepa]

Dhruti radar warning receiver . Su30 upgrade .

 

[Corvus Splendens]

 

[ezsasa]

Dhruti radar warning receiver . Su30 upgrade .

BEL is on a MoU signing spree this week.

BEL:
Signs MoU with Yantra India – Ammunition Hardware and Military Grade Components
Signs MoU with USA’s Profence – Light Weapons
Signs MoU with SVS Tech – Heavy Duty Blast Doors
Signs MoU with Hindustan Shipyard – Manufacturing & Upgrades

 

[Kuldeepm952]

1:20, variant capable of tackling cruise missile threats and other variants are also planned.
Interestingly, a should launched variant will be made too, basically we would have both mistral and igla class indigenous manpads.

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

 

[Tuco]

1:20, variant capable of tackling cruise missile threats and other variants are also planned.
Interestingly, a should launched variant will be made too, basically we would have both mistral and igla class indigenous manpads.

Is this different from MANPADthat is being developed? MANPAD has rf seeker right.

 

[Jambudweepa]

They had shown their product in one defence expo

 

[Vamsi]

 

[SwordOfDarkness]

Is this different from MANPADthat is being developed? MANPAD has rf seeker right.

Wouldnt make sense IMO, manpads usually track optically so optical sensor would be preferred on missile.

 

[ezsasa]

1:20, variant capable of tackling cruise missile threats and other variants are also planned.
Interestingly, a should launched variant will be made too, basically we would have both mistral and igla class indigenous manpads.

the guy says 6 min for seeker to get cooled to be ready for operation, how do other foreign seekers work?

 

[Chinmoy]

If you are saying all these are options are for various upcoming separate RFP's for different Calibers as well as Categories of Artillery Guns - then that sounds Good. But In your earlier arguments you pitted 155/52 MGS with 155/39 MArG - and you implied army would lean towards MGS because of range. That was the whole point of discussion why would MGS and MArG compete in same category? Also Mahindra does not have any Truck Mounted version of 777. Atleast in India there is no manuf offering truck mounted 155/39. So not sure what is meant by options are being creating in that category. If 155/52 MGS was the end Goal why ask for 155/39? Unless they both are meant for different roles and places.

If I have to chose in between MGS and MArG, I'd definitely go for MGS. Why?

Against 25 km of MArG ( range of ULH), I am getting a buffer zone of 20 km with MGS. So when it comes to range, MGS is a go to weapon of choice for any army.
Again if I want to bring down a volley of shells on top of my enemy, I would again prefer MGS over MArG.

But then again, I am not a military planner. They would consider 10 more aspects on top of firing range and raw power before zeroing on any system.
Now coming to why MArG and MGS would compete on same category. Because they are both Mounted Gun System. Just like the 105 mm Garuda. Now whether IA wants a 52 or 39 cal gun depends on the requirement. If IA finds 39 to be more suitable then 52, there should be an existing option for 39 cal gun. Otherwise here we would cry that why IA is looking at a foreign 39 cal gun. Now I am sure that you would again come up with the question that when Kalyani have guns like Bharat-52 available, why Gen Bipin Rawat asked them specifically for mounted 39 cal instead of 52 caliber.

Let me answer this with a practical ongoing scenario. I have posted a RFI for 105 mm MGS above. Now when we talk about 105mm MGS, what is the picture that comes in our mind?

Hands down it would be this 99 times out of 100. Kalyani is good at advertising and we have to give them that.

But have you ever thought of any system like this one below?

This is the same gun on a different vehicle. In both the case, the gun is by OFB. So the performance of the gun is going to be same in both cases. So lets look at the overall system performance seek by user in RFI.

Now look at point (b) (d) (f) (j) (l) (n). Which system you believe excels in those points? Now there are other specs too where a truck mounted 105 gun beats the Go anywhere vehicle system hands down. So this is the option you always want as a user. When you have to order a 155mm MGS, its always better to have two or three different option to try out. If you don't have a 39 caliber gun, how would you know about its pros and cons over a 52 cal?

Mahindra is license manufacturing M777. So they can't offer a MGS system based on M777. But they are always welcome to manufacture a 155/39 gun based on their learning of M777 manufacturing and may be in future we might see one from their end.

Also since as per you ATAGS was sanctioned project does that not mean PSQR were also already drawn before being sanctioned?(Again I am basing this on what I gleamed from PDF I attached in previous post - and my understanding could be incorrect)

No. Let me carry you through the journey of 155mm gun system of IA.
In 1986, we got our first 155 mm Bofors. Before that we had 130 mm and 105 mm guns. Bofors were used extensively in 1999 Kargil and based on what we had learnt from the war, IA came up with FARP program in which it has been decided that we would move to 155/52 instead of going for more 155/39 caliber. But there was no such indigenous program going on at that time. So the usual way out is to test what foreign OEMs had to offer like IAI, Soltam and others. As the whole system is new for us, we can't go on and make a list of requirement. The only requirement to be listed by us was that it should be of 52 cal. We were not sure what to expect in weight category, muzzle velocity, magazine capacity, firing rate, cylinder capacity et.al as 52 cal is totally new for us.

ATHOS satisfied the user at last when DRDO chipped in with ATAGS. Now IA knows what to expect from a 52 cal gun. They had a baseline model in form of ATHOS. So now the PSQR decided for 155/52 caliber gun was primarily based on ATHOS. The reason why IA stuck with 14 ton weight category. But with ATAGS evolving with time, the PSQR got change which accommodated ATAGS much better then before.

 

[Chinmoy]

Pakistani 12.7mm RCWS
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Indian 12.7mm RCWS
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[Kuldeepm952]

the guy says 6 min for seeker to get cooled to be ready for operation, how do other foreign seekers work?

He said 6 min for thermal sight to cool so i believe he means CLU unit, cooled thermal sensors are able to pick target better at far ranges. And I think 2 min means to put all tripod, clu and missile in its place for ready to fire.

2 min for cooling IR sensor doesn't makes sense, manpads usually use battery coolant unit(BCU) which throws cool gas like argon directly near missile sensor for cooling purposes like in Stinger and I believe in Mistral too. The locking of target from push of button to lock takes around 5 sec in manpads. For all purposes we still got to see the definitive VSHORADS setup to make any guess but BCU was indeed there in drdo VSHORAD tender so pretty sure those 6min and 2min are maybe for things I said above.
Also I think that 6km range for compatitively heavier missile compared to mistral is lacking, maybe due to complex propulsion design chosen by us, still I hope they increase tripod vshorads to 7km+, preferably 8km.

Cooled or Uncooled?

Advantages of uncooled cameras beg the question: When better to use cooled thermal imaging cameras for R&D applications? The answer is: it depends on the application.

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[Chinmoy]

You don't understand, for the US army ,they always tend to commit to production and orders even for not fully ready weapon systems.they are like the opposite end of the spectrum compared to Indian military.many of their mainstay weapons were INDUCTED with many problems and probably 60-80 percent of the promised capabilities.

In our case if the atags proof firing was completed in 2016,they would have been ordered then itself or probably even sooner as the army would have seen that there were no complications in the development of the atags.i mean many weapon system in the US arsenal were funded by the military in their development phase based on promises by private manufacturers and they were committed to orders even half way through the trials.

How many wars US fought in their land to defend themself?

 

[Kuldeepm952]

Is this different from MANPADthat is being developed? MANPAD has rf seeker right.

Is this MPDMS different from VSHORADS, maybe who knows. Lets see.
Manpad are either IR guided or SACLOS guided.

 

[Chinmoy]

Instead of getting it at rear end, internal installation would be much better IMO.

 

[SwordOfDarkness]

Instead of getting it at rear end, internal installation would be much better IMO.

Any such examples?