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[Arjun Mk1A]

I can see pmo using an armoured version of that whitey boi

Just a thought

Well. EV fires are pretty dangerous. No suitable solution currently available. SPG will not approve it for now.

 

[Alamarathan]

Well. EV fires are pretty dangerous. No suitable solution currently available. SPG will not approve it for now.

Upcoming Solid state batteries seems to be pretty safe,(couple of years down the line propably)

Anyway im getting ahead of myself,im excited i guess

 

[AnantS]

Now you have completely messed up the procurement procedure.

In India, staff or user first layout the requirement for a system. Based on that requirement, the developer, DRDO in our case, develop the technology. At that moment a PSQR is laid up. This PSQR is generally an official document regarding what is needed by the user. But we all now that it depends on the industrial capability of the developer or manufacturer to abide by the Qualitative Requirement. So a brain storming goes on in between the user and developer regarding what could be achieved among the laid down parameters. Based on the developers capability and capability users seek, a middle ground is decided and then GSQR is formulated.

But, if you are developing a system independent of user need on your own, you are not bound by PSQR. You could develop the system based on your capability and then present it to user for trial. For example, the ULH by Kalyani is designed by their own expecting an order from user. No such requirement has been put forward by Army to any domestic industry. So they are not bound by PSQR. So inspite of making a 6.7 ton gun, they do know that if asked, they could provide a 4 ton gun in future by replacing the steel components with Titanium alloy. But when Army would ask for an indigenous ULH alternative, a PSQR/GSQR would be formed and Kalyani would have to abide by it.

For this particular reason Govt wants private sector to participate in the development process instead of being just a production partner.

Well Sir as I mentioned they had their own 155 (like Bharat 52, Bharat 45) apart from ATAGS, and same state as ULH. So even if ATAGS can be abandoned in jungle of Bureaucratic red tape. Still we cant discount the fact that the request was for specific 155/39 ULH based truck, not 155/52, not 155/45(note all three versions are offered by BF). If 155/45 or155/52 was always on mind late CDS could have asked for that caliber gun to be integrated.

Also me - being uninitiated in matters of defense procurement realm so excuse my follow-up question - if ts wrong : On my reading of this PDF , it comes to my understanding that Project Sanction Order comes after Feasibility Study and PSQR stage. So how come ATAGS prototypes even came to fructation - without Project Sanction Order?

 

[AnantS]

Nice find mate,

Interesting para,
"The company is working with the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) and the Indian Space Research Organisation (ISRO) on some projects, Sansare said, without disclosing details."

Coz Pravaig have several patents on lithium Ion Battery Tech. Its also won order for supplying batteries to European Armies

 

[AnantS]

Upcoming Solid state batteries seems to be pretty safe,(couple of years down the line propably)

Anyway im getting ahead of myself,im excited i guess

Also Chinese BYD Blade Battery tech is touted to be more safe.

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

These guys had a prototype ATV like vehicle. Maybe an off shoot program for Army.
Visiting Pravaig Dynamics, a Bangalore-based EV company & checking out the Extinction prototype - Team-BHP

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All 3 are sexy af

 

[AnantS]

All 3 are sexy af

Buggies are more of early prototypes or for some competition

Visiting Pravaig Dynamics, a Bangalore-based EV company & checking out the Extinction prototype

Visiting Pravaig Dynamics, a Bangalore-based EV company & checking out the Extinction prototype

www.team-bhp.com

 

[Indx TechStyle]

'Move away from exclusive dependence on DRDO for research'.
DRDO never wanted the services to be exclusively dependent on it. But moving away should entail actual R&D by the private sector and not merely rebadging and recertification of foreign products via the Make-II route.

 

[flanker99]

These guys had a prototype ATV like vehicle. Maybe an off shoot program for Army.
Visiting Pravaig Dynamics, a Bangalore-based EV company & checking out the Extinction prototype - Team-BHP

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Given the charging times i dont think we will see any electric vehicle in frontline service anytime soon

 

[AnantS]

Given the charging times i dont think we will see any electric vehicle in frontline service anytime soon

Well if vehicle is equipped with swappable batteries - why not? Of course establishing fast swapping process and having to create another logistics chain around it - will make it not an easier pill to swallow.

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

Buggies are more of early prototypes or for some competition

Visiting Pravaig Dynamics, a Bangalore-based EV company & checking out the Extinction prototype

Visiting Pravaig Dynamics, a Bangalore-based EV company & checking out the Extinction prototype

www.team-bhp.com

Given a few years they will mature they got exiting future ahead

 

[AnantS]

Given a few years they will mature they got exiting future ahead

One of The founder is ex TESLA - Dhawan Vinkay Khullar and Other is Siddartha Bagri. they formed collab with Erene Group founded by Solar Power Pioneer - where Pravaig shall provide batteries. They say that they have been working on battery/car tech for 10 years. And that work shows why they won the order

Former Tesla engineer-designed battery at Bengaluru startup gets European order - Times of India

Startups News: NEW DELHI: In a boost to domestic manufacturing, one of the world's most energy dense batteries designed by a former Tesla engineer for a Bengaluru-ba.

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

 

[karn]

So far Kalyani and Tonbo have come out like champion of our defence industry.
The likes of Tata or OFB may cash the bigger cheques but the othe two have done much better with little time they have spent here.

They should really give Kalyani the titanium they are looking for, I'm sure they can come out as the global competitor for titanium products.

Add Astra Microwave ...
On a side note I have been buying shares of all MIC Indian companies . Since I can't support them by buying their products ..I support em by buying their shares

 

[Chinmoy]

Well Sir as I mentioned they had their own 155 (like Bharat 52, Bharat 45) apart from ATAGS, and same state as ULH. So even if ATAGS can be abandoned in jungle of Bureaucratic red tape. Still we cant discount the fact that the request was for specific 155/39 ULH based truck, not 155/52, not 155/45(note all three versions are offered by BF). If 155/45 or155/52 was always on mind late CDS could have asked for that caliber gun to be integrated.

Also me - being uninitiated in matters of defense procurement realm so excuse my follow-up question - if ts wrong : On my reading of this PDF , it comes to my understanding that Project Sanction Order comes after Feasibility Study and PSQR stage. So how come ATAGS prototypes even came to fructation - without Project Sanction Order?

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First of all stop using words like request. Gen Rawat had just given the idea to mount 39 caliber gun on a truck. Why he did that? Lets see.

TATA 105 mm mounted gun. Now TATA offered 52 cal 152mm gun too which we already know.

OFB offered 152mm in 45 and 52 caliber for MGS. So what was missing among all this? 39 caliber gun. In India, apart from Mahindra, who is license building M777, Kalyani had to offer 39 caliber gun. So creating an option of 39 cal MGS is important for Army chief rather then going gaga over ULH. Now Army has the whole line to select for when it comes to Caliber. Have a look at the outcome of such initiative in the PDF I attested.

Coming to second part, 155/52 mm gun project was a sanctioned project. IA has been testing the likes of Rheinmetall, STK, Soltam, IMI, Denel in this category since 2007 or 2009. Its only after these companies got blacklisted Left and Right, DRDO pitched in with the idea of ATAGS with a Pvt consortium in 2013. So 155/52 was already a sanctioned project when DRDO started working on it.

 

[AnantS]

First of all stop using words like request. Gen Rawat had just given the idea to mount 39 caliber gun on a truck. Why he did that? Lets see.

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TATA 105 mm mounted gun. Now TATA offered 52 cal 152mm gun too which we already know.

OFB offered 152mm in 45 and 52 caliber for MGS. So what was missing among all this? 39 caliber gun. In India, apart from Mahindra, who is license building M777, Kalyani had to offer 39 caliber gun. So creating an option of 39 cal MGS is important for Army chief rather then going gaga over ULH. Now Army has the whole line to select for when it comes to Caliber. Have a look at the outcome of such initiative in the PDF I attested.

Coming to second part, 155/52 mm gun project was a sanctioned project. IA has been testing the likes of Rheinmetall, STK, Soltam, IMI, Denel in this category since 2007 or 2009. Its only after these companies got blacklisted Left and Right, DRDO pitched in with the idea of ATAGS with a Pvt consortium in 2013. So 155/52 was already a sanctioned project when DRDO started working on it.

If you are saying all these are options are for various upcoming separate RFP's for different Calibers as well as Categories of Artillery Guns - then that sounds Good. But In your earlier arguments you pitted 155/52 MGS with 155/39 MArG - and you implied army would lean towards MGS because of range. That was the whole point of discussion why would MGS and MArG compete in same category? Also Mahindra does not have any Truck Mounted version of 777. Atleast in India there is no manuf offering truck mounted 155/39. So not sure what is meant by options are being creating in that category. If 155/52 MGS was the end Goal why ask for 155/39? Unless they both are meant for different roles and places.

Also since as per you ATAGS was sanctioned project does that not mean PSQR were also already drawn before being sanctioned?(Again I am basing this on what I gleamed from PDF I attached in previous post - and my understanding could be incorrect)

 

[SwordOfDarkness]

Im not sure whether this news comes under this thread,just posting here to get clarification.

This articles claims that we gonna build 3d printed defensive positions which can withstand projectiles fired from a tank even at 100m close.

Any further details on who is resposible for the project drdo or pvt sector entity,whats the exact tech used here?

Calling it 3D printing is long stretch, its pre fabricted bunkers that you can put together like lego bricks.

 

[Jambudweepa]

Tvasta 3d printed house . Stages in 3d printing .


Tvasta story so far

 

[Alamarathan]

Im not sure whether this news comes under this thread,just posting here to get clarification.

This articles claims that we gonna build 3d printed defensive positions which can withstand projectiles fired from a tank even at 100m close.

Any further details on who is resposible for the project drdo or pvt sector entity,whats the exact tech used here?

Ok i just saw the pictures of the above mentioned initiative,

Looks like they print them out in a controlled factory setting and transported to the location where it needed.

Indian Army’s Engineer in Chief Lt Gen Harpal Singh said the permanent defences are able to withstand blasts, can be erected within 36-48 hours and relocated from one place to another. He was quoted by news agency ANI as saying, “3D-printed permanent defences have been constructed for the first time by Indian Army’s Corps of Engineers in the desert sector. These defences were trial tested against a range of weapons from small arms to the main gun of T90 tank.”

Indian Army sets up 3D-printed permanent defences in Eastern Ladakh

A 3D-printed shelter for Officers and Junior Commissioned Officers has also been constructed in the desert sector, the Indian Army said.

indianexpress.com

 

[Jambudweepa]

Meet Stringer 400, A C-UAS hardkill-n-capture system driven by computer vision and AI. The protype is in its 4th iteration of mechanical system designing. The system is under 2kg & will be integrated with our TBone co-axial drone.

Sneak pic our C-band mini-SAR system that is being developed. This will provide small drones a capability to do ISR mission at low altitude & without being detected. The same tech is being used in our anti-drone hard-kill systems along with computer vision.

 

[Jambudweepa]

Assaulter- A counter-drone hard kill bot. Automatic detection, classification and neutralization of rogue drone.