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[Lonewolf]

Is there any similarity between LR-MFR and DRDO's HPR?

We know that as of now LR-MFR is for IN and HPR is for IAF then why IAF is not going with such sophisticated radar?

Sea enviornment ,hpr is meant for hig altitude region , lrmfr is not , hpr role is different from lrmfr

 

[Chinmoy]

That quote from KSSL official site. I believe the page from you posted figure is referring clearing to mainly steel/some Ti version(heavy). Why light version is not mentioned is beyond me. But what I have seen is all Indian private companies which are working defense space(Godrej, Titagarh , KSSL, Tata etc.) have very vague information. Dunno is its by design or general lackadaisical attitude towards PR.

Check the source again. What you have quoted is a Press or Media release instead of official specification.

Now that's a very good question you have asked regarding why it is missing from official brochure or site but crops up at every media function. Reason is very simple. Unless and until you have developed the product, you don't list it on your official webpage. You could present a mock up of the design with near about specs on media meet, but if you would look into official specifications, it would be on point.

For example, look at this pamphlet of MArG-ER.

What weight have they mentioned? < 8 Tons. This is for media.

Now look at this official weight of ULH from their website.

Bharat ULH 155mm 39 CAL (High strength steel and Titanium)

Features

• 155mm/39 Caliber Gun System
• Ultra-light Weight Gun System: Indigenously Designed and Developed solution
• Extremely light weight: Weighs 6.8 tonnes
• System can be deployed at high mountain areas

https://www.kssl.in/our-business-artillery

What is the weight they mentioned? Not <7 ton or >6 ton. Its 6.8 ton dot. Which means the so called 4 ton Titanium version is not officially being designed or certified as ready to be mentioned. Its just a rough estimate which has been released to the media.

 

[Chinmoy]

You are nt admiting mistake here . When you said kalyani marg br is 18 tons , you thought its the weight of towed artillery . Because No sane person ll compare weight of truck mounted system with a towed artillery .

Now you have problem with weight of steel version . I dont know 6.8 tons is ULH or not . But its not 11 tons or 18 tons . May be it was supposed to be fitted with truck .

M777 is made with titanium alloy . Just like kalyani ulh titanium version .

First of all understand the logic. You don't lift a Towed Howitzer and put it on a truck and call it mounted gun system. In similar fashion, you don't lift a gun from the back of a truck and put on wheel on it an say it a towed howitzer. Weight of a towed howitzer gun would always be more then a a gun which is on back of a truck. So if you design a towed howitzer out of MaRG-BR, the 39 caliber gun itself would weigh more then 10 tons.

 

[AnantS]

Check the source again. What you have quoted is a Press or Media release instead of official specification.

Now that's a very good question you have asked regarding why it is missing from official brochure or site but crops up at every media function. Reason is very simple. Unless and until you have developed the product, you don't list it on your official webpage. You could present a mock up of the design with near about specs on media meet, but if you would look into official specifications, it would be on point.

For example, look at this pamphlet of MArG-ER.

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What weight have they mentioned? < 8 Tons. This is for media.

Now look at this official weight of ULH from their website.

Bharat ULH 155mm 39 CAL (High strength steel and Titanium)

Features

• 155mm/39 Caliber Gun System
• Ultra-light Weight Gun System: Indigenously Designed and Developed solution
• Extremely light weight: Weighs 6.8 tonnes
• System can be deployed at high mountain areas

https://www.kssl.in/our-business-artillery

What is the weight they mentioned? Not <7 ton or >6 ton. Its 6.8 ton dot. Which means the so called 4 ton Titanium version is not officially being designed or certified as ready to be mentioned. Its just a rough estimate which has been released to the media.

Sir you just need to click on the links I provided. They are from same KSSL site. The link does not seem to be oress relase but part fo stand products summary page on the site. http://www.kalyanigroup.com/ArtillerySystems.asp. The wt you are quoting matches with the non Ti version. I am not sure again whats the status here of each artillery. Given they mention they were supposed to be tested in July. I am not sure if they are talking about current FY or next FY. However for the wt I dont see any discrepancy on KSSL site.

 

[Chinmoy]

Sir you just need to click on the links I provided. They are from same KSSL site. The link does not seem to be oress relase but part fo stand products summary page on the site. http://www.kalyanigroup.com/ArtillerySystems.asp. The wt you are quoting matches with the non Ti version. I am not sure again whats the status here of each artillery. Given they mention they were supposed to be tested in July. I am not sure if they are talking about current FY or next FY. However for the wt I dont see any discrepancy on KSSL site.
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Ok.

Now you might have read my answer. I am again quoting a line here.

Unless and until you have developed the product, you don't list it on your official webpage.

Now as I have said, they did mentioned that they do develop 39 caliber barrel for MArG and in their product list under kalyani strategic system, which is basically their commercial wing, they did mentioned ULH to be Steel and Titanium based. So when we talk about low weight Titanium version, either its still in drawing board or not yet fully developed or certified. Means in short, its still work in progress.

Now talking about this website, this is a amalgamated website of all their subsidiaries. Here they are putting forward a wholesome detail of what they do. Whereas KSSL website is a dedicated website for their strategic systems including arty as well as armour. So if their Titanium gun would have been field ready, it would have appeared in that webpage.

I would add here the case of BEML. They have showcased the 8x8 MGS. Just visit their website and look for it under products category. Is it there?

 

[Jambudweepa]

First of all understand the logic. You don't lift a Towed Howitzer and put it on a truck and call it mounted gun system. In similar fashion, you don't lift a gun from the back of a truck and put on wheel on it an say it a towed howitzer. Weight of a towed howitzer gun would always be more then a a gun which is on back of a truck. So if you design a towed howitzer out of MaRG-BR, the 39 caliber gun itself would weigh more then 10 tons.

I agree . Yes kalyani ULH towed artillery is 12-18 tons . Whatever you say . please No more discussion on this .

 

[AnantS]

Ok.

Now you might have read my answer. I am again quoting a line here.



Now as I have said, they did mentioned that they do develop 39 caliber barrel for MArG and in their product list under kalyani strategic system, which is basically their commercial wing, they did mentioned ULH to be Steel and Titanium based. So when we talk about low weight Titanium version, either its still in drawing board or not yet fully developed or certified. Means in short, its still work in progress.

Now talking about this website, this is a amalgamated website of all their subsidiaries. Here they are putting forward a wholesome detail of what they do. Whereas KSSL website is a dedicated website for their strategic systems including arty as well as armour. So if their Titanium gun would have been field ready, it would have appeared in that webpage.

Well sir I am not privy of status of ULH products which Kalyani claim. Thus went with the numbers they are dishing. The truck mounted high strength steel version of Artillery was specially asked by Late CDS Gen Bipin Rawat. Why Steel - of course to curtail cost. Now shall army be loyal to its ex CDS brainchild and order it after trials - is yet to be seen - or shall be again thrown into rabbit hole of shifting Goal posts with variable roadblocks.

 

[Kuldeepm952]

Ok.

Now you might have read my answer. I am again quoting a line here.



Now as I have said, they did mentioned that they do develop 39 caliber barrel for MArG and in their product list under kalyani strategic system, which is basically their commercial wing, they did mentioned ULH to be Steel and Titanium based. So when we talk about low weight Titanium version, either its still in drawing board or not yet fully developed or certified. Means in short, its still work in progress.

Now talking about this website, this is a amalgamated website of all their subsidiaries. Here they are putting forward a wholesome detail of what they do. Whereas KSSL website is a dedicated website for their strategic systems including arty as well as armour. So if their Titanium gun would have been field ready, it would have appeared in that webpage.

I would add here the case of BEML. They have showcased the 8x8 MGS. Just visit their website and look for it under products category. Is it there?

Nah, Indian defence psus are famous for not updating their sites.
You argument citing BEML is not really a solid one, for example OFB does make HEAT 751 and HEDP for Carl Gustav but no mention of it on any of the site, similiarly they removed DPICM 155MM shell from their site but it was posted in one of their twitter pics in last year. 155mm DPICM does exist within IA made by OFB but it's really hard to find the pics.

Though I do agree that there is no reason for Kalyani to showcase a less than 5 ton ULH, i mean IA has already got some 145 M777, and if IA is interested they can ask for it to be tested thoroughly, just like TC20 came out when IA asked.

Tbh, I don't see ULH that much great and do we need extra guns in addition to M777? considering that our Chinook air mobility is very limited with just 15 helis to make much impact in a real war with china.

 

[Jambudweepa]

Most of long range ballistic missiles achieve hypersonic speeds and by indication of maneuvering, Iran might have made some MaRV or something like DRDO's BGRV given they don't have building blocks for an HGV yet.

The words "high tech" and "advanced air defence systems" are just puffery and makes me think that Iran just tested something what's advanced for Iran only, not world.

Was searching about india's hgv program and found this . HTNP industries developing a hypersonic glide vehicle with range of 5500km and max speed of 20/21 mac (wikipedia) . No recent updates .

 

[Indx TechStyle]

Was searching about india's hgv program and found this . HTNP industries developing a hypersonic glide vehicle with range of 5500km and max speed of 20/21 mac (wikipedia) . No recent updates .

That's on an old news. Nothing will come out of HTNP. Only DRDO will deliver India's HGV in mid-term.

 

[Lonewolf]

 

[Arjun Mk1A]

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What missile for the second test (315 Km)?

 

[Lonewolf]

What missile for the second test (315 Km)?

It's a ship based launch , could be brahmos or Barak 8

 

[Lonewolf]

@binayak95 what missile was tested after ad 1 between 3-5 nov ?? , Astra mk2 ?? Or ersam ? Or some other missile

 

[Lonewolf]

It's a ship based launch , could be brahmos or Barak 8

But issued from drdo so could be a surprise for us too

 

[pipebomb]

Can drdo develop cheap add on guidance kit for 155mm howitzer and120mm mortar. That would be game changing.

 

[SwordOfDarkness]

Can drdo develop cheap add on guidance kit for 155mm howitzer and120mm mortar. That would be game changing.

Add on kit seems pretty challenging unless they manage to fit it all in the fuse, which is pretty tiny tbh.

After a bit of research, apparently you can fit the thing into the fuse, just that accuracy is max 30m instead of the 3m you get with proper guided shells.

M1156 Precision Guidance Kit - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Jambudweepa]

Can drdo develop cheap add on guidance kit for 155mm howitzer and120mm mortar. That would be game changing.

May be effort already going on for 155mm .

Development of Course Correction Fuze for Artillery | Technology Development Fund (TDF)

tdf.drdo.gov.in

There is a company , which developed guidance kit of 81mm mortar .

 

[pipebomb]

Add on kit seems pretty challenging unless they manage to fit it all in the fuse, which is pretty tiny tbh.

After a bit of research, apparently you can fit the thing into the fuse, just that accuracy is max 30m instead of the 3m you get with proper guided shells.

M1156 Precision Guidance Kit - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Yes i have seen this one before. This kind of cheap(reletively) guided munition is of equal if not more importance to long range precision weapons like brahmos or pralay. But we would need a complete indigenization of supply chain including chips

 

[abingdonboy]

While Indian army Genrols "Saala Chaand se gola daagenge aur pokran par girna chahiye"

Has even 20% of the stuff on this thread ever made it into service in serious numbers? Even after clearing all trails at most they’ll give token single digit orders and just sit around waiting for their next a$$ whooping so they can throw billions at emergency orders.

I’m not exaggerating when I say they are traitors in uniform. To their nation and their subordinates. They are charged with defending their nation and equipping those under them with what they need to deliver decisive outcomes.

by intent or design these clowns are tying a hand behind the back of the guys on the frontlines. There’s a reason why the pakis and chiness think they can act with near impunity along the borders

weakness invites aggression