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[Kuldeepm952]

Ok experts I wanna know are L&Ts aa guns bad? the iaf are getting there seems to be some hate that Kalyani ones got rejected and those were superior are they just YouTube experts salty or l&t ones are really not as good as kalyani ones

Who is salty bro? L&T gun is as good as kalyani bofors40 mk4 and shoots the same programmable round. Some people probably angry that BAE won't get the slice of deal from their jv with kalyani. And L&T gun is less screwdrivergiri than kalyani one which is basically land adapted bofors40mk4.
See the RFI from IAF, I'd say that requirements were contemporary with anti drone and anti pgm capability and the gun passed all trials and quoted L1 so all cool here.
For people who don't know, orleikon 35mm bullet has 152 cylindrical tungesten prefragments while Bofors 40mm 3P has 1100 spherical prefragments per bullet. Though prefragments size vary.
And even the new RFI from army for AD guns has its specs matched to IAF reqmt. So, high chances we can see the same gun selected for IA.

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

Who is salty bro? L&T gun is as good as kalyani bofors40 mk4 and shoots the same programmable round. Some people probably angry that BAE won't get the slice of deal from their jv with kalyani. And L&T gun is less screwdrivergiri than kalyani one which is basically land adapted bofors40mk4.
See the RFI from IAF, I'd say that requirements were contemporary with anti drone and anti pgm capability and the gun passed all trials and quoted L1 so all cool here.
For people who don't know, orleikon 35mm bullet has 152 cylindrical tungesten prefragments while Bofors 40mm 3P has 1100 spherical prefragments per bullet. Though prefragments size vary.

See I know shit so I just asked here

 

[Kuldeepm952]

See I know shit so I just asked here

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Don't worry or give attention to uniformed opinions. Most of the janta doesn't even know that there's a search arc for fighter radar and they think that it scans 360 degrees and they don't even understand the nuances involved in military tech.
Let me give you some templates for stupid people on net, here are some keywords i.e. private good public company bad, drdo bad, indian bad, foreign maal superior. Most likely the opinion would be junk without any technical knowledge backing.
I just don't understand how does this even looks like Soviet technology form any angle.

 

[SUPERPOWER]

This is what happens when you leave our own products and for imports...Good Msg to our imported Genrals.

 

[thebakofbakchod]

They dont have much leg in our conflicts so will happily sell to both sides and make more money. We should learn from that and aggressively market our defence products to whoever wants to buy.

 

[STORE]

 

[Bhaubai]

FICV first look

 

[Fatalis]

FICV first look
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I'm getting a vibe that it is using the same gun from BMP-2.

 

[Aditya Ballal]

FICV first look
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[Aniruddha Mulay]

FICV design looks good to me, I mean you have to consider quite a lot of limitations when the weight limit is 25tons.

 

[Akula]

FICV first look
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It looks completely different from the FICV shown during PM visit to L&T K9 Vajra factory.

 

[Aditya Ballal]

IMHO I think we’re making a mistake by not moving on to the 40mm gun based on the Bofors L70 made for the DRDO Abhay Project. Considering special ammunition was also developed for it like the 40mm APFSDS rounds optimised for this role and I doubt the 30mm 2a42 canon is sufficient for the present and future battlefield. Not to mention we”ll most likely end up procuring 40mm ammunition of various types for the Air Defense Guns too.

Armament System for ICV- ABHAY | Defence Research and Development Organisation - DRDO, Ministry of Defence, Government of India

ARDE has completed the task of design, development and integration of Armament system for ABHAY, a 20T class futuristic Infantry Combat Vehicle under development by DRDO labs. Turret of the ICV is equipped with three types of armaments namely 40-mm main Gun, 7.62-mm PKT co-axial Gun and...

www.drdo.gov.in

Though I believe some amount of knowledge gained from this project has gone into the DRDO-L&T FICV.
“Main armament is capable of firing existing HE and FSAPDS ammunition which gives capability to engage both aerial as well as ground targets. 40 mm FSAPDS ammunition capable of defeating 100 mm RHA at 1 km range, to be fired from a progressively rifled gun barrel has been developed for the first time in the country for low calibre gun. This also has a unique feature of two column auto feeding and replenishment system. Technology demonstration of the weapon and ammunition system has been successfully completed.”

 

[Kuldeepm952]

IMHO I think we’re making a mistake by not moving on to the 40mm gun based on the Bofors L70 made for the DRDO Abhay Project. Considering special ammunition was also developed for it like the 40mm APFSDS rounds optimised for this role and I doubt the 30mm 2a42 canon is sufficient for the present and future battlefield. Not to mention we”ll most likely end up procuring 40mm ammunition of various types for the Air Defense Guns too.
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Armament System for ICV- ABHAY | Defence Research and Development Organisation - DRDO, Ministry of Defence, Government of India

ARDE has completed the task of design, development and integration of Armament system for ABHAY, a 20T class futuristic Infantry Combat Vehicle under development by DRDO labs. Turret of the ICV is equipped with three types of armaments namely 40-mm main Gun, 7.62-mm PKT co-axial Gun and...

www.drdo.gov.in

Though I believe some amount of knowledge gained from this project has gone into the DRDO-L&T FICV.
“Main armament is capable of firing existing HE and FSAPDS ammunition which gives capability to engage both aerial as well as ground targets. 40 mm FSAPDS ammunition capable of defeating 100 mm RHA at 1 km range, to be fired from a progressively rifled gun barrel has been developed for the first time in the country for low calibre gun. This also has a unique feature of two column auto feeding and replenishment system. Technology demonstration of the weapon and ammunition system has been successfully completed.”

I believe the present trend is an ICV vehicle with a 50mm+ autocannon to supplement the 30mm ICV which are the majority of numbers. US and Russia are following this approach. Adopting the 40mm will also be a problem as the amount of ammo will be gravely affected, just see the difference, you can adopt CTA ammo but still we don't manufacture that here.

On thing be clear that this l&t FICV is not recent DRDO AArtV. L&T design is their own inhouse.
If in future need arises, we better design an unmanned 50mm autocannon turret and then simply plug and play it atop FICV hull or licensed produce Russian 57mm turret.

 

[binayak95]

I believe the present trend is an ICV vehicle with a 50mm+ autocannon to supplement the 30mm ICV which are the majority of numbers. US and Russia are following this approach. Adopting the 40mm will also be a problem as the amount of ammo will be gravely affected, just see the difference, you can adopt CTA ammo but still we don't manufacture that here.View attachment 175846

On thing be clear that this l&t FICV is not recent DRDO AArtV. L&T design is their own inhouse.
If in future need arises, we better design an unmanned 50mm autocannon turret and then simply plug and play it atop FICV hull or licensed produce Russian 57mm turret.View attachment 175851

HAIN?

Any ammunition above 40mm needs to take into account your ready load. You cannot carry more than a few score ammo AT best - and given how every turret is not unmanned, best of luck keeping your gun ready for use.

And just chuck Russia out the window - junk fantasy dreams built by idiots high on vodka.
The CV90 series of ICVs have many options, ranging from 20mm to 105mm light tank, but the most prevalent is 35mm - which is chain fed by a linkless system (dual feed), has smart fusing and APDS available and is quite decent.

All 40mm guns are still hand fed in stripper clips of 5 rounds (or is it 4) - but given just how fast you can load stripper clips, its not too big a hassle.

Anything above 40mm and you have problems with feeding the gun (and RELOADING the entire belt feed once youre done - not easy at all)

The Stryker Dragoon is 30mm, so is the Boxer. Which ICV has 50mm ?

 

[Fatalis]

Requesting everyone who is going to DefExpo to click a lot of pics specially the posters and the models.

 

[ShukantC]

The hull of this IFV does kind of look like the NGMBT artist representation from DRDO. Just like the chassis in NGMBT image there is a small taper right at the front, but in the DRDO FICV design the taper start is very close to the turret.

image credits to there respective owners

 

[Fatalis]

HAIN?

Any ammunition above 40mm needs to take into account your ready load. You cannot carry more than a few score ammo AT best - and given how every turret is not unmanned, best of luck keeping your gun ready for use.

And just chuck Russia out the window - junk fantasy dreams built by idiots high on vodka.
The CV90 series of ICVs have many options, ranging from 20mm to 105mm light tank, but the most prevalent is 35mm - which is chain fed by a linkless system (dual feed), has smart fusing and APDS available and is quite decent.

All 40mm guns are still hand fed in stripper clips of 5 rounds (or is it 4) - but given just how fast you can load stripper clips, its not too big a hassle.

Anything above 40mm and you have problems with feeding the gun (and RELOADING the entire belt feed once youre done - not easy at all)

The Stryker Dragoon is 30mm, so is the Boxer. Which ICV has 50mm ?

The 30mm turret on Stryker is very big.

The US Army program of OMFV has several candidates that are going for the 50mm like KF-41 Lynx but we also need to consider that vehicle is huge. I mean really huge. It is comparable to MBTs in terms of dimensions and weight.

If you guys have noticed that right now the trend for IFV is to make them very heavy with a lot of armor, most modern examples are well exceeding 40+ tons but we are going completely opposite direction my asking them to be very light. May be it depends on our doctrine and and fulfills our requirements.

 

[Fatalis]

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The hull of this IFV does kind of look like the NGMBT artist representation from DRDO. Just like the chassis in NGMBT image there is a small taper right at the front, but in the DRDO FICV design the taper start is very close to the turret.
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image credits to there respective owners

It might also be using the chassis of K-9 (Need to verify on this part).

From the looks of it, I find turret might be unmanned.

 

[SwordOfDarkness]

It might also be using the chassis of K-9 (Need to verify on this part).

From the looks of it, I find turret might be unmanned.

Nope too different. Seems like a new design, or maybe derivative of DRDO one.` Perhaps internals may have similarity, but chassis is definitely different.

 

[Aditya Ballal]

Will be disappointing if it’s actually just 25 tonnes.