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[Hari Sud]

Do we have any project or work in progress for shooting down offensive drones like Turkish Byractar or neutralizing swarm drones with AI, in a battlefield conditions?

Is Private sector lending a hand. I know DRDO will take ten years to build something which the army will reject, hence the private sector has to come into play.

If anything is teaching Army testing stage in a year. We need it urgently. …… Pakistan is once again being encouraged to be aggressive, hence their possession of Byractar and swarm drones is very dangerous.

 

[binayak95]

Do we have any project or work in progress for shooting down offensive drones like Turkish Byractar or neutralizing swarm drones with AI, in a battlefield conditions?

Is Private sector lending a hand. I know DRDO will take ten years to build something which the army will reject, hence the private sector has to come into play.

If anything is teaching Army testing stage in a year. We need it urgently. …… Pakistan is once again being encouraged to be aggressive, hence their possession of Byractar and swarm drones is very dangerous.

Several projects are in the works - from EW jammers (these are pvt and have been inducted) to anti drone drones to fast firing smart munitions 40mm guns (pvt again) to small miniature swarm of missiles carried on 4x4s

 

[Hari Sud]

Several projects are in the works - from EW jammers (these are pvt and have been inducted) to anti drone drones to fast firing smart munitions 40mm guns (pvt again) to small miniature swarm of missiles carried on 4x4s

‘Which one is operational…. Some may be at prototype stage others may be under test but which one is a protection to depend upon.

 

[flanker99]

‘Which one is operational…. Some may be at prototype stage others may be under test but which one is a protection to depend upon.

Some handheld gun type anti drone system and the drdo laser

 

[Kuldeepm952]

‘Which one is operational…. Some may be at prototype stage others may be under test but which one is a protection to depend upon.

Let's see if the orders are given in time or not for new products, till then be happy with osa, strela and akash Sam. Unsurprisingly, the indigenous akash is the best one. Objectively speaking mini uavs and loitering munitions are more of a threat than MALE UAVs.

 

[Blademaster]

I always wonder what happens to those bullets that are fired from anti aircraft guns over land while we are trying to defend against missiles. Where do those bullets fall on? How do we make sure that they don't hit stray civilians on the ground?

 

[Arjun Mk1A]

I always wonder what happens to those bullets that are fired from anti aircraft guns over land while we are trying to defend against missiles. Where do those bullets fall on? How do we make sure that they don't hit stray civilians on the ground?

Nothing to do. Bullet will travel as long as it has energy then earth gravity will make them fall to ground. Based on bullet mass it may some kinetic energy which will converted during impact. We cannot do anything with that since it is not guided missile to make them fall on people less areas.

 

[Kuldeepm952]

I always wonder what happens to those bullets that are fired from anti aircraft guns over land while we are trying to defend against missiles. Where do those bullets fall on? How do we make sure that they don't hit stray civilians on the ground?

Almost all modern anti aircraft guns fire HE rounds with fuze which explodes the round after range Rmax. No stress of landing a 40mm round on some unlucky chap and him being torn to pieces.

 

[SwordOfDarkness]

Almost all modern anti aircraft guns fire HE rounds with fuze which explodes the round after range Rmax. No stress of landing a 40mm round on some unlucky chap and him being torn to pieces.

Yep. Some random unlucky guy might have some small fragments fall on him or something, but it wouldnt be painful or anything.

Even forsmaller caliber, where programmable fuses etc are not there, they still have timed fuse. Like CRAM - It only has impact fuse+(fixed)time fuse, to disable round before it hits ground

 

[omaebakabaka]

Yep. Some random unlucky guy might have some small fragments fall on him or something, but it wouldnt be painful or anything.

Even forsmaller caliber, where programmable fuses etc are not there, they still have timed fuse. Like CRAM - It only has impact fuse+(fixed)time fuse, to disable round before it hits ground

Bullets fired into air can kill or cause wounds depending on the mass, shape and few other things and where it hits a person....obviously ones fired at an angle are more potent than totally vertical fired ones.

 

[SwordOfDarkness]

Bullets fired into air can kill or cause wounds depending on the mass, shape and few other things and where it hits a person....obviously ones fired at an angle are more potent than totally vertical fired ones.

Yes, but I think there is a confusion here.

Bullets used by AD systems are not soft lead core or penetrator bullets - they are impact explosive or programmable. For the the ones that explode on impact (i.e. the cheaper kind, with no electronics used) they have a fixed time delay fuse.

In both cases, bullet explodes well before landing on ground. The fragments are very small, and as such will drop slowly from air.

Impact will feel like grapes being dropped on you or something close to it.

 

[omaebakabaka]

Yes, but I think there is a confusion here.

Bullets used by AD systems are not soft lead core or penetrator bullets - they are impact explosive or programmable. For the the ones that explode on impact (i.e. the cheaper kind, with no electronics used) they have a fixed time delay fuse.

In both cases, bullet explodes well before landing on ground. The fragments are very small, and as such will drop slowly from air.

Impact will feel like grapes being dropped on you or something close to it.

Normally they are fragmentation warheads with hard metal pellets shaped into different shapes and there are injuries caused by AD in Syria or Saudi I believe when it fell?

 

[SwordOfDarkness]

Normally they are fragmentation warheads with hard metal pellets shaped into different shapes and there are injuries caused by AD in Syria or Saudi I believe when it fell?

then those would be faulty, they arent supposed to fall in one piece or any large pieces. yes, they have thousands of metal pellets, but those are usually quite small.

 

[flanker99]

 

[Hari Sud]

Do we have any project or work in progress for shooting down offensive drones like Turkish Byractar or neutralizing swarm drones with AI, in a battlefield conditions?

Is Private sector lending a hand. I know DRDO will take ten years to build something which the army will reject, hence the private sector has to come into play.

If anything is teaching Army testing stage in a year. We need it urgently. …… Pakistan is once again being encouraged to be aggressive, hence their possession of Byractar and swarm drones is very dangerous.

Not much could be debated on Drones and Swarm drone defence. The latter is becoming or will become scourge of the battlefield. ….. interestingly, more we know about these more these become impossible to stop or contain. An article below highlights this issue.

The Big Battle Of UAVs – Not Russia, Not Ukraine, Kamikaze Drones Are Winning The War & Dominating The Conflict!

Russia’s ‘special military operation’ (SMO) in Ukraine has spurred the development of counter-drone systems in the country. Ukraine Is No Syria! Why Russia Tasted Success In Syria But Is Getting Clobbered In Its Backyard – Experts Explain Russia-Ukraine War: Putin’s Retaliatory Strikes On...

eurasiantimes.com

 

[binayak95]

Not much could be debated on Drones and Swarm drone defence. The latter is becoming or will become scourge of the battlefield. ….. interestingly, more we know about these more these become impossible to stop or contain. An article below highlights this issue.

The Big Battle Of UAVs – Not Russia, Not Ukraine, Kamikaze Drones Are Winning The War & Dominating The Conflict!

Russia’s ‘special military operation’ (SMO) in Ukraine has spurred the development of counter-drone systems in the country. Ukraine Is No Syria! Why Russia Tasted Success In Syria But Is Getting Clobbered In Its Backyard – Experts Explain Russia-Ukraine War: Putin’s Retaliatory Strikes On...

eurasiantimes.com

Umm, no.
There are several key vulnerabilities of such systems, and many workable exploits.

True autonomous swarms we have not seen, nor are we likely to (given how difficult AI is, and how hard it will be to deploy in the field - where there is no refrigerated server running a Tensor CPU or Ryzen threadripper to do your processing)

You can attack the MAVLink protocols, attack the comm nodes, attack the drones sensors - GPS, optics, LiDar - to force an abort.
And then you have kinetic answers, AD guns and DEW systems. In one interesting trial being done by the IA, several Indian hi tech drone companies were not able to get them to take off.
Why? the powerful Soviet Tunguska radar simply saturated their measly power rating radio transmissions.

 

[Chinmoy]

‘Which one is operational…. Some may be at prototype stage others may be under test but which one is a protection to depend upon.

DRDO’s D-4 drone system

 

[SwordOfDarkness]

Umm, no.
There are several key vulnerabilities of such systems, and many workable exploits.

True autonomous swarms we have not seen, nor are we likely to (given how difficult AI is, and how hard it will be to deploy in the field - where there is no refrigerated server running a Tensor CPU or Ryzen threadripper to do your processing)

You can attack the MAVLink protocols, attack the comm nodes, attack the drones sensors - GPS, optics, LiDar - to force an abort.
And then you have kinetic answers, AD guns and DEW systems. In one interesting trial being done by the IA, several Indian hi tech drone companies were not able to get them to take off.
Why? the powerful Soviet Tunguska radar simply saturated their measly power rating radio transmissions.

Nope, implementation is a lot easier than you might think. Real issue will come, is when people get a lot of CRAM type systems distributed all over. Drones are cheap, 30 bullets of 20mm are cheaper .

 

[Srinie]

Interesting L&T says they will unveil a submarine design at defence expo and also that Light Tank is an indigenous design and not based on K9 Vajra

L&T is lowest bidder for 240 air defence gun systems: JD Patil

L&T to display naval platforms, unmanned systems at Defexpo, Gandhinagar

www.thehindubusinessline.com

 

[omaebakabaka]

no different than iron or steel or aluminiumnitride from somewhere else...we need to balance interests to release the pressure as we are not the focus and should not be out of spite.