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[Aditya Ballal]

 

[Akula]

Is this for AMAGS or will be used for other roles?

Maybe Yes. CVRDE had released a tender few months ago.

 

[Okabe Rintarou]

This is what you are talking of.

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But if you compare both, there are telltale sign indicating that both has been designed by keeping in mind two very different approach.

This is Tatra 815-7. AFAIK, it has not only a different cab, but also different engine and other components. BEML doesn't have TOT for this model. It has TOT for the 1980s version of 815. That is what they have taken and installed their own designed armoured cab on top of it.

 

[Chinmoy]

This is Tatra 815-7. AFAIK, it has not only a different cab, but also different engine and other components. BEML doesn't have TOT for this model. It has TOT for the 1980s version of 815. That is what they have taken and installed their own designed armoured cab on top of it.

I am not even talking about the cabin and engine here. This model by BEML is infact more akin to T 815-7 then what they have got ToT for. Engine of course is from TATRA, but the difference is there in the chassis design. I've yet to come across a TATRA truck in 815 category sharing the same chassis outlay.

This concept of truck has been put forward by BEML last year itself and its concept art came out in beginning of this year. They have 4 models in 8*8 category with one dedicated for MGS.

 

[Okabe Rintarou]

I am not even talking about the cabin and engine here. This model by BEML is infact more akin to T 815-7 then what they have got ToT for. Engine of course is from TATRA, but the difference is there in the chassis design. I've yet to come across a TATRA truck in 815 category sharing the same chassis outlay.

This concept of truck has been put forward by BEML last year itself and its concept art came out in beginning of this year. They have 4 models in 8*8 category with one dedicated for MGS.

What are you talking about dude? Its literally the same chassis and suspension. Most likely the same engine and transmission as well, particularly because BEML hasn't yet fully indigenized the original 815 engine yet (as is visible from their "list of items to be indigenized" they released last year.
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I remember the concept pics they released before, this is the same thing, but frankly, only the cabin is different.

 

[Chinmoy]

What are you talking about dude? Its literally the same chassis and suspension. Most likely the same engine and transmission as well, particularly because BEML hasn't yet fully indigenized the original 815 engine yet (as is visible from their "list of items to be indigenized" they released last year.
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I remember the concept pics they released before, this is the same thing, but frankly, only the cabin is different.

Chassis... Chassis.... Chassis.

I already said that they are using the TATRA engine itself. Cabin is nothing unique. Many armored or heavy duty movers have similar cabin.

This is from Rheinmetall by MAN. Suspension again might be of TATRA. But I am talking about the whole concept. I've yet to see a T-815 sharing similar chassis design. Moreover BEML is license manufacturing TATRA here. If they want to even change the cabin, they would have to go thru a complete process of ToT approval from TATRA. After the corruption involvement in TATRA case, we are not going to approach TATRA again nor they are going to give it to us again.

 

[flanker99]

So trials by early next year?

mk1a "configuration" has already flown some mk1 airframes are being used for testing

 

[gslv markIII]

Chassis... Chassis.... Chassis.

I already said that they are using the TATRA engine itself. Cabin is nothing unique. Many armored or heavy duty movers have similar cabin.

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This is from Rheinmetall by MAN. Suspension again might be of TATRA. But I am talking about the whole concept. I've yet to see a T-815 sharing similar chassis design. Moreover BEML is license manufacturing TATRA here. If they want to even change the cabin, they would have to go thru a complete process of ToT approval from TATRA. After the corruption involvement in TATRA case, we are not going to approach TATRA again nor they are going to give it to us again.

Cabin is their own, that's the work of their new industrial design center.

In fact development of HMV 8X8 with armoured cabin for MGS was mentioned in their annual report earlier.

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

mk1a "configuration" has already flown some mk1 airframes are being used for testing

That's some good news than heard they were using extra funds for mk2 too hope everything goes well

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

Why can't we?

As Rustom is undergoing development, bringing in Israeli help to arm and equip it is most logical step rather then working from level 0.

Yes we can that would be the most ideal approach might just upgrade rustom lets see what happens

 

[Chinmoy]

Cabin is their own, that's the work of their new industrial design center.

In fact development of HMV 8X8 with armoured cabin for MGS was mentioned in their annual report earlier.

Yes may be.

But as I pointed out earlier, IMO this particular truck has been designed specifically to cater as a TEL for tactical or strategic missiles. Its chassis design and layout is different then what we are manufacturing under license now.

 

[Okabe Rintarou]

Chassis... Chassis.... Chassis.

I already said that they are using the TATRA engine itself. Cabin is nothing unique. Many armored or heavy duty movers have similar cabin.

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This is from Rheinmetall by MAN. Suspension again might be of TATRA. But I am talking about the whole concept. I've yet to see a T-815 sharing similar chassis design. Moreover BEML is license manufacturing TATRA here. If they want to even change the cabin, they would have to go thru a complete process of ToT approval from TATRA. After the corruption involvement in TATRA case, we are not going to approach TATRA again nor they are going to give it to us again.

Look at the red circles:-

^Original Tatra 815

^New model from BEML


This at least concludes that the frame is the same.
You yourself agree that its using the same engine.
Wheel camber also shows that it has the Tatra trademark: independent swinging half axle suspension. Which automatically implies the torque tube and transmission would be Tatra one only.

What else is left in the chassis that is different from 815? I just listed all the parts.

The MAN truck you posted doesn't have Tatra suspension. Its a bogie type suspension most likely. Entire transmission is also MAN original. As for how BEML got permission to modify the cab from Tatra, I have no idea. Maybe it was mentioned in the original contract, or this is some new contract. Makes me wonder that if they can do this much, can't they move the steering wheel as well? Its a pain in the butt.

 

[Chinmoy]

Look at the red circles:-

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^Original Tatra 815

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^New model from BEML


This at least concludes that the frame is the same.
You yourself agree that its using the same engine.
Wheel camber also shows that it has the Tatra trademark: independent swinging half axle suspension. Which automatically implies the torque tube and transmission would be Tatra one only.

What else is left in the chassis that is different from 815? I just listed all the parts.

The MAN truck you posted doesn't have Tatra suspension. Its a bogie type suspension most likely. Entire transmission is also MAN original. As for how BEML got permission to modify the cab from Tatra, I have no idea. Maybe it was mentioned in the original contract, or this is some new contract. Makes me wonder that if they can do this much, can't they move the steering wheel as well? Its a pain in the butt.

You have seen the small tail light, but missed out the whole genset cabin which has bisected the chassis.

 

[Okabe Rintarou]

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You have seen the small tail light, but missed out the whole genset cabin which has bisected the chassis.

That is part of the superstructure, not the chassis, right? That alone doesn't make it a new truck when the entire suspension, transmission and engine is the same.


BTW, the one they planned to develop for Mounted Gun System was not the one in the pic. Its this one (second one):-

 

[radion]

Im sure the core of the truck is still license produced but the design and changes you see here are beml's own.

This was 2 yrs ago.I am pretty interested to see what they have done with trains.
Also notice the drdo-vrde badge?Did they help with the design or are they the customer?

 

[Okabe Rintarou]

Im sure the core of the truck is still license produced but the design and changes you see here are beml's own.

This was 2 yrs ago.I am pretty interested to see what they have done with trains.
Also notice the drdo-vrde badge?Did they help with the design or are they the customer?

VRDE helped with the design somehow, not sure how exactly. Maybe VRDE is hand-holding BEML's new Design Center? Or maybe it has to do with the armouring? This cab is above STANAG level 1 at least, from the looks of it.
As for the truck, its indeed a new cab designed by BEML itself. Its just that whatever is underneath hasn't changed. Which isn't a bad thing per se. Its already a perfected design.

 

[karn]

What is the extracabin used for ?

 

[shade]

China is literally adding atleast 100 new airframes of fighters,transport,helo etc every year...i honestly dont know how IAF ,GOI or MOD thinks 42 will be enough...i get that it takes guts to do what they do but there is no substitute for numbers unless we wanna end up like ukraine

We won't face their entire airforce in all likelihood, a good chunk will be kept for defending their east coast.
However we don't seem to have the numbers and industry to keep up with whatever they will be allocating for their western border against us.
Also they will never reach 42 squadrons, even including the new MRFA plan to get 115 new fighter jets.

 

[Anirbann Datta]

PAWW paww ke bomb ke jaiga paw paw ke missile!!!

 

[shade]

PAWW paww ke bomb ke jaiga paw paw ke missile!!!
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Sorry to shitpost here, but I can't resist seein ninda turtle
Is that missile meant for FAMILY members?