DRDO, PSU and Private Defence Sector News

[THESIS THORON]

@Lonewolf kaha ho tum

 

[Akula]

bhayankar meltdown hai thread par

Hota rehta hai, koi nayi baat nahi hai.

 

[brat4]

What if i tell you Akash-NG has a range of 40 Km, not 90.

Explained: What are the two advanced versions of Akash missile?

Akash missile: What's different in these newer versions of the surface to air missile (SAM) and what is their operational significance?

indianexpress.com

akash range - 27-30km
akash ng - 70km

 

[Dessert Storm]

Turkish scenario:-
Bayraktar mini UAV developed and Inducted by Turkish armed forces.
Bayraktar TB 2 was developed and Inducted.
Bayraktar Akinci is being developed and will be inducted.

Indian Scenario:-
Rustom 1 developed and rejected.
Rustom H developed and rejected
Now Tapas ( advance version of H ) is giving first semester exams with Zero Commitment from Armed forces.

UN Armed forces:- DRDO haven't developed anything parallel to even Turkey.

 

[Dark Sorrow]

Can anyone clear why target altitude is mere 6km for qrsam in drdo brochures. Many UAVs armed with PGMs can easily loiter above that altitude and also multirole fighters with PGMs, that leaves a huge hole in air defense there for this system. I guess radar positions are a reason for that which could have been easily dealt by tilting aesa panels and the 60 degrees of electronic angular sector either side provided by aesa should have provided effective scan of targets upto 12km altitude and more.
What more intriguing is that for a range of good 30km missile, altitude has been capped at 6km. That's a very odd choice, contemporary missiles with that range has easily target engagement above 12kms. Also if it is based on some part atleast of Astra then range is still less i guess, looks bigger than Astra to me atleast. Even launcher seems that it can house more missiles with redesigned swivel launcher like that of pinaka.
It seems like a good Sam akin to vl mica ng and irist slm but somehow has been capped for roles akin to tor and sa8 sam.
I hope there is a mk2 version and these things be rectified.
Also don't say anything about layered system. I know that but even pantsir with those tiny missiles are capable of engaging high altitude targets and this capability for even shorter range sams is must for current threat scenario.

It is a technical limitation.
I don't know the specifics but it has to do with specific impulse and weight of the missile.
QRSAM is a mobile air defence system and meant for the Army’s Strike Corps to be mobile on vehicles. It must be able to deploy/fire quickly and hence have some technical limitation w.r.t. the missile.

 

[Arjun Mk1A]

Current Drones on development phase
1. Rustom 1
2. Archer
3. Tapas
4. Swift
5.Ghatak
6. RUAV

Lets see how much of them we will induct in coming years.

 

[Tuco]

Current Drones on development phase
1. Rustom 1
2. Archer
3. Tapas
4. Swift
5.Ghatak
6. RUAV

Lets see how much of them we will induct in coming years.

The first is already developed isn't it, but no orders.

 

[johnj]

Actually the statement is quite vague , you can't achieve a fixed max range for all target , duffer for different targets , most probably this is a misquote regarding max range .

Range of missile especially SAM is quite complex to discuss as it is scenario specific unlike cruise missile or ballastic missile , 15 km can be corresponding to its NEZ which if true gives us a idea that Astra have 40 km + nez

Altitude 15km and range 20km. End of topic. Now wait for IN statements.

 

[fire starter]

 

[patriots]

Rustom 1 is being weaponised....New name..archer

 

[DEV1729]

SWIFT is more real than any private industry UAV/UCAV in India afaik. Same goes for Rustom 1 and rustom 2.



DRDO made Rustom 1 had a maiden flight in 2010. It is more or less similar to TB-2 drone btw. If army wanted it could have been pursued further.

Rustom 2 in 2018, one or two crashes don't mean everything is bad. TB-2 got btfo'd nth times but they choose 1 instance and people here orgasm like turkroaches as if there's no tomm.

Turkey still can't make a 4th gen aircraft, we have tejas, moving to MWF so we have made more capable birds than whatever you are presenting here.


>tb2 has a service ceiling of 40k ft
Since when? Even their page says it's 25k ft which is similar to that of Rustom 1 which flied in 2010.

Rustom 2 had priority of SATCOM and higher range, your callous statement about 'struggle' are just exaggerations.

True their. Akinci is Max 30000ft
Tai Anka max is 30000ft underdev
Tai aksungur 40000ft underdev
Tb2 -max 27000ft

 

[Physx32]

Why the fook does drdo do everything under the sun. Why cant they outsource this to BEML or a pvt company like ashok leyland and TATA? No wonder nothing gets done on time

What's with every people simping for private companies as if they've access to alien tech? The reality is indian private companies can only do screwdriver giri by partnering with DRDO or some foreign vendor. They've no useful IP or the capability to innovate. DRDO has done incredible job with the little budget they're alloted. Tell me which other nation has made a 4th gen aircraft with FBW control system on the first try.

It seems everyone wants a Mercedes for Maruti price.

However, I agree that trivial products should be handed over to private companies. But DRDO still has to design it as private companies can only do screwdriver giri.

 

[SGOperative]

What's with every people simping for private companies as if they've access to alien tech? The reality is indian private companies can only do screwdriver giri by partnering with DRDO or some foreign vendor. They've no useful IP or the capability to innovate. DRDO has done incredible job with the little budget they're alloted. Tell me which other nation has made a 4th gen aircraft with FBW control system on the first try.

It seems everyone wants a Mercedes for Maruti price.

However, I agree that trivial products should be handed over to private companies. But DRDO still has to design it as private companies can only do screwdriver giri.

Private companies have innovated and produced better products than Psus at many places, Tonbo, Armasen, MKU are examples

 

[mist_consecutive]

What's with every people simping for private companies as if they've access to alien tech? The reality is indian private companies can only do screwdriver giri by partnering with DRDO or some foreign vendor. They've no useful IP or the capability to innovate. DRDO has done incredible job with the little budget they're alloted. Tell me which other nation has made a 4th gen aircraft with FBW control system on the first try.

It seems everyone wants a Mercedes for Maruti price.

However, I agree that trivial products should be handed over to private companies. But DRDO still has to design it as private companies can only do screwdriver giri.

In the entire world, throughout the whole timeline of humankind, private companies and enterprises have always excelled in innovation, R&D, output, compared to govt. funded institutes.

The reason for it is really simple, yet somehow people fail to understand this basic concept and try to push for socialist pipedreams, such as communism and PSUs.
The reason is human greed, and there exists no stronger motivation except perhaps, fear of death, to work harder and innovate.

 

[no smoking]

In the entire world, throughout the whole timeline of humankind, private companies and enterprises have always excelled in innovation, R&D, output, compared to govt. funded institutes.

The reason for it is really simple, yet somehow people fail to understand this basic concept and try to push for socialist pipedreams, such as communism and PSUs.
The reason is human greed, and there exists no stronger motivation except perhaps, fear of death, to work harder and innovate.

But the pre-condition of human greed works is there is a prospect of huge profit in SHORT PERIOD. Unless India government blindly signs huge cheques to cover their cost plus a big margin, there is no incentive for private companies to move in. Military development R&D is a high return business with huge risk.

 

[fire starter]

 

[Lonewolf]

Ship based ASAT guidance ?

 

[THESIS THORON]

Ship based ASAT guidance ?

ig ship based interceptor

imo the ad2 might be a sat interceptor also ??

 

[SavageKing456]

In the entire world, throughout the whole timeline of humankind, private companies and enterprises have always excelled in innovation, R&D, output, compared to govt. funded institutes.

The reason for it is really simple, yet somehow people fail to understand this basic concept and try to push for socialist pipedreams, such as communism and PSUs.
The reason is human greed, and there exists no stronger motivation except perhaps, fear of death, to work harder and innovate.

No one denies private companies aren't important,but please some members need to stop worshiping them as if they're god like.
They would be worse than DPSUs if R&D not done,some private companies just do screwdrivergiri and don't increase their capabilities however some like L&T,BF/kalyani,astra microwave etc are indeed the future of indian defence industry.
And it's a fact too that they would surpass any DPSUs in little time in development,I agree that,just they need to rise.
This is for those who say "gib engine program to private companies and they will make it within 7 years"

 

[fire starter]