DRDO, PSU and Private Defence Sector News

[Lonewolf]

Facts hai quota system and corruption killed our innovation in defence industry why didn't drdo made a good ucav.

Which innovation is killed ? Show me some products which were made by some other country in same budget but better

 

[DEV1729]

Which innovation is killed ? Show me some products which were made by some other country in same budget but better

Insas,nal saras,Nishant UAV,mpatgm,mp air defence system etc

 

[Lonewolf]

Insas,nal saras,Nishant UAV,mpatgm,mp air defence system etc

Insas was a first try ,give examples also if other countries who developed better system with that low metallurgical base and in that era .

Saras is a product delivered , orders is not considered into innovation , and if you see funding to NAL and CSIR it's puny .

Nishant don't fit into our utility and again example missing .

Mpatgm ? What's wrong with it ?

Air defence system is one of the example of our indigenous development

 

[DEV1729]

Can't turkey establish good universities so that our corrupt gernails and babus send their kids there and buy bayraktar

Turkish universities are garbage most eligible Turkish students go to Germany,France uk or usa for their studies even bayraktar went to usa for studies.

 

[DEV1729]

Though I am not a Quota beneficiary but still believe Quota has nothing to do with it.

There might be a chance somewhere we has been suffering from this but issue is not as big as you think.

Okay then if India love mediocricity and don't support merit then be ready to buy products from foreign private companies who will have all the ip's and sell you gadgets along with their service at a higher price with low quality.

 

[Shashank Nayak]

After clearing Trials, Indian Army to get 12 Dhanush Guns in May – Indian Defence Research Wing

idrw.org

Dhanush passed tests on mars it seems. Indian army getting first 12 in may.

12 guns were already delivered to the Army as per this article from June 2021.. Looks, like those 12 guns were put through trials..

Covid, production quality concerns delay induction of 'Desi Bofors' Dhanush by Army

Since the induction of Dhanush started in April 2019, only 12 guns have been delivered so far and six of them were delivered that month only.

www.google.com

 

[Kuldeepm952]

We have akash for more than 6 km altitude

Did you even read what I said, sam system with 6km altitude engagement capped is counter intuitive when targets which it is designed to engage can easily operate over that envelope. Generally single TELAR type sams are employed by armies for short range all over world.
I rest my case here, current threat scenario will definitely require to increase envelope warna toh war Hui toh phir paki bayratkar hamare qrsams ko aise hi pel denge. When russians are having problems with their so much focus on AD, we are certainly not good enough to say much in that regard. Air defence is gonna be a huge component in future warfares. Russians too have BUK like akash but that didn't stopped them for having higher altitude engagement for pantsirs.

 

[mist_consecutive]

I thought that the big industrial houses would have jumped at this opportunity, but they seem to be not interested at all.

Well for that Armed forces has to commit to a large order. The private industry won't waste their money on something that will be lying in their display rooms.

See the piecemeal orders by Army for Kalyani M4, Tata Kestrel (no clear orders yet), ASLV.

Eh i don't think 'private' industry is the only salvation considering we have SWIFT and GHATAK going with decent progress, i mean we already saw swift last year, these are totally by DRDO not some 'muh private god saviour Jesus ultra max pro'. Even though we didn't induct Rustom 1 in large number or rustom 2 is in trials still rustom 1 was better than tb2 iirc, rustom 2 was a decent upgrade, SWIFT and Ghatak are just awesome successors of these in way.

SWiFT and GHATAK are in TD state, I won't comment on their "decent" progress until I see their first working prototype flies with payload and demonstrate its alleged stealth capabilities. Going by the pattern, DRDO will take another 10 years to do that.

And there's nothing special about tb2 or avinci. Basic drones, it's just that most of these drones had limited role in our army's use case. The best use case for them was surveillance and eventually using a2g payloads, cheaper operation but not resilient enough like aircrafts. Among the 100 or so drones in ukraine only 1 or 2 instances they have done any damage and rest of that is just turkroach propaganda and paki fanboyism.

DRDO with ghatak and swift are already showing that they are more than capable, rustom 2 has great progress.

Wah ! And do we even have the capabilities to manufacture these so-called, "basic drones" ? Bayraktar Akıncı is a decent MALE UCAV comparable to MQ-9 Reaper.

Rustom 2 has a great progress ? We will see, yesterday it was struggling to reach 30k ft., your "basic drones" reach till 40k ft.

 

[vishnugupt]

Okay then if India love mediocricity and don't support merit then be ready to buy products from foreign private companies who will have all the ip's and sell you gadgets along with their service at a higher price with low quality.

Can you give us Idea about Quota system in DRDO jobs? Specially regarding scientists, engineers and technicians.

 

[SavageKing456]

Akash ng range is easily 80-90km
While altitude is 15-20km

 

[vishnugupt]

While deal for 18 Rustom-2 was signed for Rs 1500 crores with ADE & HAL in 2009. Till date zero UAVs available for induction.
DRDO has been running its UAV programme since 1986 with ZERO UAVs in service.
ADE has unique achievement in creating a mess of all its programs even though all critical components are imported. Massive funds and support was given but they never produced anything important. Refer Nishant, Panchi, Rustom-1, Rustom-2, Nirbhay. Practically speaking Rustom-2 is dead as R&D has shifted to new design based on Israeli Eitan. Rustom-2 will only be milked for funds and picnic parties,.

Deal signed between ADE and HAL and you genius haven't seen a Rustom 2.
You need to get your eyes checked.

Or if you mean by Induction of UAV in UN armed forces then you need to understand deal happened between ADE and HAL not with UN armed forces.

We all are seeing Rustom 1 and Rustom 2 except you and also watching malicious UN Forces kept them in trials for decades for no reason.

 

[fire starter]

While deal for 18 Rustom-2 was signed for Rs 1500 crores with ADE & HAL in 2009. Till date zero UAVs available for induction.
DRDO has been running its UAV programme since 1986 with ZERO UAVs in service.
ADE has unique achievement in creating a mess of all its programs even though all critical components are imported. Massive funds and support was given but they never produced anything important. Refer Nishant, Panchi, Rustom-1, Rustom-2, Nirbhay. Practically speaking Rustom-2 is dead as R&D has shifted to new design based on Israeli Eitan. Rustom-2 will only be milked for funds and picnic parties,.

Well ADE has been restructured in 2019 so you will see them performing well.

 

[Raj Malhotra]

Rustom-2 is not in service because it is unable to reach requisite Altitude or carry the payload. Requirement was 35000 feet and its still only 27500 feet. We don't even know if this 27,500 feet is sustainable altitude or only for few minutes when fuel is low. Unlike other instances, this requirement was not unreasonable but ADE has failed. Airframe is almost 200% of the projected weight which is a massive slip up. Its basically waste time and do picnic set up. In lot of instances military is to blame but in present case, DRDO is fully responsible to complete mess.
In the meanwhile pvt sector who were developing micro and mini UAVs, completed the development in 1-2 years, got orders for around 1500 UAVs of which hundreds have been supplied. All with minimal support of Govt.

in 2009

https://www.financialexpress.com/archive/spy-wings/479560/

DRDO officials inform that private sector firms Larsen and Toubro, Godrej and Boyce Manufacturing and Tata Advanced Systems have put in their bids to develop and build an indigenous UAV, used in surveillance operations. The three companies, and a fourth bidder a combine of state-owned Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) and Bharat Electronics submitted their bids recently to the DRDO for the medium-altitude, long-endurance aircraft, named Rustom, which will be designed to fly at least 250 km at a stretch.

This will be the first time a private company that wins the contract to manufacture the UAVs will work with the DRDO right through the development process.

According to DRDO officials, Rustom will be in a flying stage in about three years. With an endurance level of more than 24 hours, this UAV can be used by all the three armed forces. Rustom can be useful in reconnaissance and surveillance, target acquisition and designation, communications relay and signal intelligence.

in 2010

HAL,BEL beat pvt rivals to win Rustom project

HAL,BEL beat pvt rivals to win Rustom project

www.livemint.com

in 2011

The Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS) cleared aRs.1,540 crore proposal from the Aeronautical Development Establishment (ADE), the Bangalore-based defence laboratory, to design and develop an advanced version of its Rustom-1 Unmanned Aerial Vehicle (UAV)—which will significantly enhance the capability of the country’s Armed Forces.

ADE director P.S. Krishnan said the lab received the approval around 10 days ago. Of the Rs.1,540 crore, Rs.1,156 crore will be used to develop 15 UAVs, whileRs.384 crore will go towards setting up a dedicated aeronautical test range (ATR) at Chitradurga, 200km from Bangalore.


The first UAV, named Rustom-H, is to take to the skies within three years and users can evaluate it after five-and-a-half years. The Rustom-1 has an operating altitude of 22,000 ft and an endurance of 12-15 hours, while the Rustom-H will have 30,000 ft of operating altitude and endurance of 24 hours.

 

[SavageKing456]

 

[SUPERPOWER]

Ab aisa mat bolna ki Rustom project has been terminated and seedha ghatak hi banayenge..

 

[Aniruddha Mulay]

This is the single pulse engine variant.
In future you will see 30-40 km dual pulse variant.
And as Astra 1 had about 80 km range,it was expected that ground launched variant would have about 1/4 the range.
Not an unexpected outcome.

Astra Mk1 is a also a single pulse BVR missile. Its range is 110km, not 80km like the RVV-AE, it was able to hit a target drone at a distance of 90km.
Going by the difference between the range of MICA and VL-MICA, VL-SRSAM, which is technically a ground launched Astra Mk1 will have a range of 40km.

 

[dbdzzzzzz]

SWiFT and GHATAK are in TD state, I won't comment on their "decent" progress until I see their first working prototype flies with payload and demonstrate its alleged stealth capabilities. Going by the pattern, DRDO will take another 10 years to do that.

SWIFT is more real than any private industry UAV/UCAV in India afaik. Same goes for Rustom 1 and rustom 2.

Wah ! And do we even have the capabilities to manufacture these so-called, "basic drones" ? Bayraktar Akıncı is a decent MALE UCAV comparable to MQ-9 Reaper.

DRDO made Rustom 1 had a maiden flight in 2010. It is more or less similar to TB-2 drone btw. If army wanted it could have been pursued further.

Rustom 2 in 2018, one or two crashes don't mean everything is bad. TB-2 got btfo'd nth times but they choose 1 instance and people here orgasm like turkroaches as if there's no tomm.

Turkey still can't make a 4th gen aircraft, we have tejas, moving to MWF so we have made more capable birds than whatever you are presenting here.

Rustom 2 has a great progress ? We will see, yesterday it was struggling to reach 30k ft., your "basic drones" reach till 40k ft.

>tb2 has a service ceiling of 40k ft
Since when? Even their page says it's 25k ft which is similar to that of Rustom 1 which flied in 2010.

Rustom 2 had priority of SATCOM and higher range, your callous statement about 'struggle' are just exaggerations.

 

[dbdzzzzzz]

Rustom-2 is not in service because it is unable to reach requisite Altitude or carry the payload. Requirement was 35000 feet and its still only 27500 feet. We don't even know if this 27,500 feet is sustainable altitude or only for few minutes when fuel is low. Unlike other instances, this requirement was not unreasonable but ADE has failed. Airframe is almost 200% of the projected weight which is a massive slip up. Its basically waste time and do picnic set up. In lot of instances military is to blame but in present case, DRDO is fully responsible to complete mess.
In the meanwhile pvt sector who were developing micro and mini UAVs, completed the development in 1-2 years, got orders for around 1500 UAVs of which hundreds have been supplied. All with minimal support of Govt.

in 2009

https://www.financialexpress.com/archive/spy-wings/479560/

DRDO officials inform that private sector firms Larsen and Toubro, Godrej and Boyce Manufacturing and Tata Advanced Systems have put in their bids to develop and build an indigenous UAV, used in surveillance operations. The three companies, and a fourth bidder a combine of state-owned Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) and Bharat Electronics submitted their bids recently to the DRDO for the medium-altitude, long-endurance aircraft, named Rustom, which will be designed to fly at least 250 km at a stretch.

This will be the first time a private company that wins the contract to manufacture the UAVs will work with the DRDO right through the development process.

According to DRDO officials, Rustom will be in a flying stage in about three years. With an endurance level of more than 24 hours, this UAV can be used by all the three armed forces. Rustom can be useful in reconnaissance and surveillance, target acquisition and designation, communications relay and signal intelligence.

in 2010

HAL,BEL beat pvt rivals to win Rustom project

HAL,BEL beat pvt rivals to win Rustom project

www.livemint.com

in 2011

The Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS) cleared aRs.1,540 crore proposal from the Aeronautical Development Establishment (ADE), the Bangalore-based defence laboratory, to design and develop an advanced version of its Rustom-1 Unmanned Aerial Vehicle (UAV)—which will significantly enhance the capability of the country’s Armed Forces.

ADE director P.S. Krishnan said the lab received the approval around 10 days ago. Of the Rs.1,540 crore, Rs.1,156 crore will be used to develop 15 UAVs, whileRs.384 crore will go towards setting up a dedicated aeronautical test range (ATR) at Chitradurga, 200km from Bangalore.


The first UAV, named Rustom-H, is to take to the skies within three years and users can evaluate it after five-and-a-half years. The Rustom-1 has an operating altitude of 22,000 ft and an endurance of 12-15 hours, while the Rustom-H will have 30,000 ft of operating altitude and endurance of 24 hours.

There are countless places where Rustom 1 could have been deployed but as always armed forces have no vision. Why not use them for surveillance in naxal regions or coastal regions of India?

If IAF or IN or IA had any interest in promoting and not giving a step motherly treatment to our product, then the UAV and sorta UCAV of Rustom 1 would have evolved into a great platform leading to better products, no iterative desing no user feedback cycle no wonder we are here.

The pathetic attitude of always wanted the ((((best)))) is what has destoryed the progress.

 

[SGOperative]

Insas was a first try ,give examples also if other countries who developed better system with that low metallurgical base and in that era .

south korea i guess, their K series is very successful

 

[THESIS THORON]

bhayankar meltdown hai thread par