DRDO, PSU and Private Defence Sector News

[Dessert Storm]

what was the offered production rate of atags and dhanush ??

Production rate is decided in the price negotiation. The previous one may not be applicable any more, given the current situation.
The thrust now, should be on finishing trials successfully, provide guns to army for field testing and simultaneously start price negotiations.

 

[omaebakabaka]

Production rate is decided in the price negotiation. The previous one may not be applicable any more, given the current situation.
The thrust now, should be on finishing trials successfully, provide guns to army for field testing and simultaneously start price negotiations.

It also depends on what the army needs and how fast can production be ramped up rather than producing it in great numbers as it makes more sense to spread it over years.

 

[Dessert Storm]

It also depends on what the army needs and how fast can production be ramped up rather than producing it in great numbers as it makes more sense to spread it over years.

The final price of any equipment depends on the production rate desired. That desire is to be expressed by army (based on capacity to induct). If the desired rate and price meets expectation of the parties involved..... it's a deal.
The numbers and spread are both subjective.
Broadly we are in agreement.

 

[fire starter]

Seems like AJT is also on the way.

 

[Love Charger]

BATAO KOI ??

Nahiiiii

 

[Love Charger]

BATAO KOI ??

Tum roohafza pilo .

 

[not so dravidian]

 

[WarriorIndian]

The missile was fired without warhead.

Kinetic Energy Meanwhile:

 

[Knowitall]

Hopefully dhanush and ATAGS will now be ordered in huge numbers.

 

[Javelin_Sam]

https://www.businessworld.in/articl...-Kalyani-CMD-Bharat-Forge-/08-03-2022-422349/

And fortunately, for us in this COVID period, the one thing happened was, earlier we were dependent on electronics and electronic controls from outside.

“In most Indian defence platform, usually the electronic is all coming from outside, but in our case, we earlier had electronics coming from outside. But in this COVID period we were able to develop everything here. So now it's a 100% indigenous gun. And the advantage of this is, now, we can keep making it. This is, let's say over Mach I, Mach II will be even a greater performance. We are expecting this gun fires 48 kilometres.

Baba Kalyani: Just wait for a year. You will see a light tank coming out of our workshops

Manish K. Jha: What about the design?

Baba Kalyani: We're already working on it.

“DRDO is applied research organization. They take fundamental research and then they apply it in creating products. But their biggest problem or bottleneck was that they were not able to create products of world-class quality because their production partners didn't have the ability to do that. Now with private sector getting in, and not only Bharat Forge, there are many other companies that DRDO works with. DRDO probably works with more than 200 private companies. They have now production partners, which can make world-class products.”

And that is the big advantage. So what is DRDO doing? DRDO is doing the basic design. Okay. They don't do every detail like board and produce some 10,000 drawings of every component. They give you an envelope design.

“We, as a company- Bharat Forge has been telling the government of India that you have this whole titanium ore on the Eastern coast, right from Andhra to Kerala it is called ilmenite. And if you give this ore to an Indian private sector guy, we will set up a plant. Actually, I’ve given this proposal five times now. We will set up a plant where we will convert.”

I mean, they had a purification process called beneficiation, you need to beneficiate the ore then you need to separate the ore, then you need to convert it to sponge by melting titanium sponge and the titanium sponge has to be re-melted, double melted or triple melted to create that in ingots then titanium, and have to be forged down to create titanium pellets from each of them made turbine blades and turbine shafts and all those kinds of things.

The largest producer of titanium, which is the base material for all the air crafts made in Russia. There are only two companies in the world that control titanium. One is in Russia. It's VSMPO. The whole world depends on it, including Boeing, Airbus, everybody; for fighter jets for commercial jet. And the second is in Canada. We are supplying ore titanium ore to VSMPO for some amount of money. And we are buying a thousand times the titanium.


Manish K. Jha: This is an important development. Could you talk about your collaboration in making components for the aero engine?

Baba Kalyani: We make for Rolls Royce, UK. We make engine components. You should see our engine. We have got an aero engine manufacturing facility here. High nickel-- same is the case with high nickel components. The titanium is in the front part. The hard part is all high nickel components. We don't have a nickel mines so we are all dependent on important nickel. And that's a problem. You know, we have not paid attention to our supply chain. We are not paid attention to what is required, what is important. And the technical part of all this comes to high temperature blades and it has to be made from a single crystal. A single crystal is a very complex metallurgical technology.

“There are very few companies in the world who have developed single crystal technology. Now the Russians apparently have given us that TOT for single crystal technology. When they gave us the Sukhois. But even today we can't make it. So this is like getting the Bofors technology for artillery gun 1984 and we are in 2022 and we still haven't been able to make it.”

 

[SavageKing456]

 

[Lonewolf]

It may get ew panels too

 

[AMCA]

 

[Love Charger]

No , I don't belive thus too good to be true

 

[Tuco]

https://www.businessworld.in/articl...-Kalyani-CMD-Bharat-Forge-/08-03-2022-422349/

And fortunately, for us in this COVID period, the one thing happened was, earlier we were dependent on electronics and electronic controls from outside.



Baba Kalyani: Just wait for a year. You will see a light tank coming out of our workshops

Manish K. Jha: What about the design?

Baba Kalyani: We're already working on it.


And that is the big advantage. So what is DRDO doing? DRDO is doing the basic design. Okay. They don't do every detail like board and produce some 10,000 drawings of every component. They give you an envelope design.


I mean, they had a purification process called beneficiation, you need to beneficiate the ore then you need to separate the ore, then you need to convert it to sponge by melting titanium sponge and the titanium sponge has to be re-melted, double melted or triple melted to create that in ingots then titanium, and have to be forged down to create titanium pellets from each of them made turbine blades and turbine shafts and all those kinds of things.

The largest producer of titanium, which is the base material for all the air crafts made in Russia. There are only two companies in the world that control titanium. One is in Russia. It's VSMPO. The whole world depends on it, including Boeing, Airbus, everybody; for fighter jets for commercial jet. And the second is in Canada. We are supplying ore titanium ore to VSMPO for some amount of money. And we are buying a thousand times the titanium.


Manish K. Jha: This is an important development. Could you talk about your collaboration in making components for the aero engine?

Baba Kalyani: We make for Rolls Royce, UK. We make engine components. You should see our engine. We have got an aero engine manufacturing facility here. High nickel-- same is the case with high nickel components. The titanium is in the front part. The hard part is all high nickel components. We don't have a nickel mines so we are all dependent on important nickel. And that's a problem. You know, we have not paid attention to our supply chain. We are not paid attention to what is required, what is important. And the technical part of all this comes to high temperature blades and it has to be made from a single crystal. A single crystal is a very complex metallurgical technology.

“There are very few companies in the world who have developed single crystal technology. Now the Russians apparently have given us that TOT for single crystal technology. When they gave us the Sukhois. But even today we can't make it. So this is like getting the Bofors technology for artillery gun 1984 and we are in 2022 and we still haven't been able to make it.”

This is criminal isn't it.

 

[Lonewolf]

This is criminal isn't it.

That's a wrong statement , al 31 tech is worse than what drdo developed in single crystal blades

 

[Tuco]

That's a wrong statement , al 31 tech is worse than what drdo developed in single crystal blades

I was talking about the Titanium ore being exported and then we buying the product by paying more. Highlighted in red.

 

[Shuturmurg]

This is criminal isn't it.

Holy shit , you are right, we have 3rd largest titanium reserves in world :

Titanium reserves worldwide by country 2021 | Statista

As of 2021, China had the largest reserves of titanium minerals worldwide.

www.statista.com

And look at production stats :

Titanium production by country - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[fire starter]

HTT MK2.

 

[Tuco]

Holy shit , you are right, we have 3rd largest titanium reserves in world :

Titanium reserves worldwide by country 2021 | Statista

As of 2021, China had the largest reserves of titanium minerals worldwide.

www.statista.com

And look at production stats :

Titanium production by country - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Ukraine and Kazakhstan are ahead of us in production, only recently have we started processing the ore that to in a very very limited quantity. The two mentioned did get the legacy infrastructure from USSR but us languishing at the bottom is criminal.