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All this drama is pre planned by Army. First they said ATAGS did not successfully complete summer trials.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/theprint.in/defence/need-a-robust-and-reliable-gun-says-army-as-artillery-modernisation-plan-faces-hiccups/741226/?amp

Then they just watered down the list in December to allow the Israeli ATHOS to be inducted.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/thepri...can-import-items-in-certain-cases/775405/?amp

Coincidentally the import list cutoff for 155x52 mm guns was changed from December 2020 to December 2021 under multiple revisions.

It seems that the Army is hellbent on ATHOS and will not induct ATAGS until they get their way.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.in...-battle-inside-south-block-1816231-2021-06-18
 

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All this drama is pre planned by Army. First they said ATAGS did not successfully complete summer trials.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/theprint.in/defence/need-a-robust-and-reliable-gun-says-army-as-artillery-modernisation-plan-faces-hiccups/741226/?amp

Then they just watered down the list in December to allow the Israeli ATHOS to be inducted.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/theprint.in/defence/armed-forces-get-emergency-breather-from-negative-list-can-import-items-in-certain-cases/775405/?amp

Coincidentally the import list cutoff for 155x52 mm guns was changed from December 2020 to December 2021 under multiple revisions.

It seems that the Army is hellbent on ATHOS and will not induct ATAGS until they get their way.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.in...-battle-inside-south-block-1816231-2021-06-18
Ya'll Nibbiars The MOD Dalals are power fully. They knew the tricks.
 

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Kadininda is spineless more likely. Dalals will always try their tricks . It's the job of minister to kick them out.
Ya'll Nibbiars our tank crews don't even have Tanker boots, Gloves, Tanker Helmet or even latest fire resistance clothings. And here many of us were thinking that the ATGS or Arjun Mk II will get indicted.
 

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Ya'll Nibbiars our tank crews don't even have Tanker boots, Gloves, Tanker Helmet or even latest fire resistance clothings. And here many of us were thinking that the ATGS or Arjun Mk II will get indicted.
They have old Russian tank helmets , though .
We operate Russian tanks halde
 

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They have old Russian tank helmets , though .
We operate Russian tanks halde
Ya'll Nibbiars Literally you call them helmets.

This are the real Russian helmets.

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The Russians started to introduce this helmets in the 80's but well slowed after the debacle and now they have this newer generation of the Tankers Helmets in services.
 

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Ya'll Nibbiars Literally you call them helmets.

This are the real Russian helmets.

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The Russians started to introduce this helmets in the 80's but well slowed after the debacle and now they have this newer generation of the Tankers Helmets in services.
It's a very sed state of affairs , halde .
I don't know whome to blame.
 

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Ya'll Nibbiars our tank crews don't even have Tanker boots, Gloves, Tanker Helmet or even latest fire resistance clothings. And here many of us were thinking that the ATGS or Arjun Mk II will get indicted.
ATAGS will be inducted since Tatas will strong arm the government just like Russians do. But Arjun mk2 has no such forefathers.

Kadi ninda would divided artillery orders between Athos and ATAGS to keep both dalals and Tata happy.
 

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While the requirement is for 1,580 towed guns, reports have suggested the possibility of the order being pruned to 400 imported guns. For the acquisition of the remaining 1,180 guns which were meant to be made in India under transfer of technology, the Government may opt instead for the indigenous Advanced Towed Artillery Gun System (ATAGS), being developed by the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) in partnership with Tata Power SED and Bharat Forge.
https://www.spslandforces.com/featu...ndian-155-mm-52-calibre-towed-gun-competition

Incidentally the cost is also a factor. While the ATHOS will cost less than Rs 11 crore per piece, the ATAGS is said to be costing anywhere between Rs 16-18 crore.
https://theprint.in/defence/drdo-wi...y-in-june-but-army-still-has-concerns/668417/
 

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Army Dalals will get more active as 2024 gets closer. Eventually both ATAGS and ATMOS will be inducted just like Arjun MK2 and 494 T 90S were inducted recently.
They should induct Trajan then, instead of that Israeli gun.
 

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IB is Central police guys as class 2 officers and IPS as class one- same stuff under different name.They also recruit some "analysts" thru some exams but the kind of folks get selected I have seen are pretty low. An IPS won't touch a guy of his cadre, an Army wala won't touch one of his own.
Nope

ACIO Are directly been
Inducted through exams now For many years

Every yr are vacancies are out

IB operations are same as KGB

It's change positions with parties In power

political people has there yes man inside Intelligence Bureau

It's a tool for political surveillance and other
Activities

ACIO are great talents and trained to be so

Recently in Delhi rights
Ankit Sharma was on surveillance mission on AAP

MLA when he was ambushed

It's his work that nabbed the SOB

God give peace to his soul

Om Shanti 🕉
 

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Kadi ninda is like a monkey , he doesn't know anything about defence. If someone tell him that Artillery can fly he will believe that ..Its very easy to make a fool out of him
Parrikar was the beast who knew how to control these Dalal generals and Babus .. Unfortunately Modi government do not have any other able administrator than Parrikar sir ..His loss is the biggest blow to the nation as a whole
 

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Kadi ninda is like a monkey , he doesn't know anything about defence. If someone tell him that Artillery can fly he will believe that ..Its very easy to make a fool out of him
Parrikar was the beast who knew how to control these Dalal generals and Babus .. Unfortunately Modi government do not have any other able administrator than Parrikar sir ..His loss is the biggest blow to the nation as a whole
Ninda turtle
 

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They should induct Trajan then, instead of that Israeli gun.
What makes you think they won’t induct Trajan’s brother Caesar for the MGS the same way? Also what genuine advantage does Trajan have over Athos 2052 if we really want a foreign gun? Specs are almost exactly the same, weight of Athos 2052 is same as Trajan, has higher indigenous content than Trajan, will be an effective way to see Bharat Forge’s manufacturing skills, cheaper than Trajan etc.
Trajan’s elder brother Caesar MGS.
 
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