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More than RAW we need a very strong internal surveillance group to recon and eliminate these Jaichands, a group that is independent from MoD, MEA and reports only to PM/HM. Chor dakait within the house cause a lot more damage
Now Indigenous weapons will have to pass through one more useless Committee expect more delays , hurdles , corruption and import.

Instead of making procurement process easier they are further creating hurdles by forming Committee after Committee.
 

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BC YEH NEGATIVE IMPORT LIST KA NATAK HI KYON KIYA JAB BAKCHODI HI KARNI THI LAST ME
Military Babus can get adamant to the levels you cannot imagine. They'll keep failing your desi products in xyz trials on technical grounds where there can't be any civvie oversight, hold the procurement hostage and make repeated calls for shortage of hardware and problematic acquisition process. They have done it many times in the past, no reason as to why they'll stop now. Only way out is to get more private players in defence who'll stuff the same things in corrupt babus' mouth the foreign players do. A few post retirement technical Consultant" and "Director" positions will also be in the offing. Business is only so much about the product itself. As long as HAL, DRDO, BEL don't learn how to make the offer "sweet", they'll never have any business success either local or abroad (you think Chingus sell their hardware on the merit of their product alone?)
 

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Depends on what the contract for the JV specified, if it specified that cooperation is only for one variant then we don’t have any thing to do with the offshoots of the system, exports again will depend on who has been given the rights to market the system and if we do indeed have the right to market it, I don’t think we’re doing it because we’re probably trying to prioritise the Akash SAM family for exports as it it has much more indigenous content onboard and we can export to countries that don’t have good relations with Israel. I don’t think MoD has also given permission for MRSAM exports as it’s not present on BDLs exports brochure.
Hope atleast land based Barak can be substituted by Akash NG(70km range) in future.
We pretty much got played on BARAK 8 and critical components like seeker and multi function radar will continue to be imported.
I think it's like we can't export Barak even if we want to coz of JV terms.
 

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Hope atleast land based Barak can be substituted by Akash NG(70km range) in future.
We pretty much got played on BARAK 8 and critical components like seeker and multi function radar will continue to be imported.
I think it's like we can't export Barak even if we want to coz of JV terms.
Hold your horses. No one knows the JV terms.
 

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Ya'll Nibbiars today I got to knew that we don't equipp our tank crews with the tanker boots.
 

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All this drama is pre planned by Army. First they said ATAGS did not successfully complete summer trials.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/theprint.in/defence/need-a-robust-and-reliable-gun-says-army-as-artillery-modernisation-plan-faces-hiccups/741226/?amp

Then they just watered down the list in December to allow the Israeli ATHOS to be inducted.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/thepri...can-import-items-in-certain-cases/775405/?amp

Coincidentally the import list cutoff for 155x52 mm guns was changed from December 2020 to December 2021 under multiple revisions.

It seems that the Army is hellbent on ATHOS and will not induct ATAGS until they get their way.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.in...-battle-inside-south-block-1816231-2021-06-18
 

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All this drama is pre planned by Army. First they said ATAGS did not successfully complete summer trials.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/theprint.in/defence/need-a-robust-and-reliable-gun-says-army-as-artillery-modernisation-plan-faces-hiccups/741226/?amp

Then they just watered down the list in December to allow the Israeli ATHOS to be inducted.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/theprint.in/defence/armed-forces-get-emergency-breather-from-negative-list-can-import-items-in-certain-cases/775405/?amp

Coincidentally the import list cutoff for 155x52 mm guns was changed from December 2020 to December 2021 under multiple revisions.

It seems that the Army is hellbent on ATHOS and will not induct ATAGS until they get their way.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.in...-battle-inside-south-block-1816231-2021-06-18
Ya'll Nibbiars The MOD Dalals are power fully. They knew the tricks.
 

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Kadininda is spineless more likely. Dalals will always try their tricks . It's the job of minister to kick them out.
Ya'll Nibbiars our tank crews don't even have Tanker boots, Gloves, Tanker Helmet or even latest fire resistance clothings. And here many of us were thinking that the ATGS or Arjun Mk II will get indicted.
 

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Ya'll Nibbiars our tank crews don't even have Tanker boots, Gloves, Tanker Helmet or even latest fire resistance clothings. And here many of us were thinking that the ATGS or Arjun Mk II will get indicted.
They have old Russian tank helmets , though .
We operate Russian tanks halde
 

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They have old Russian tank helmets , though .
We operate Russian tanks halde
Ya'll Nibbiars Literally you call them helmets.

This are the real Russian helmets.

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The Russians started to introduce this helmets in the 80's but well slowed after the debacle and now they have this newer generation of the Tankers Helmets in services.
 

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Ya'll Nibbiars Literally you call them helmets.

This are the real Russian helmets.

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The Russians started to introduce this helmets in the 80's but well slowed after the debacle and now they have this newer generation of the Tankers Helmets in services.
It's a very sed state of affairs , halde .
I don't know whome to blame.
 

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