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hal: HAL, Rolls-Royce ink new pact for Make-in-India Adour engine parts for global markets | India News - Times of India

BENGALURU: Defence PSU Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) on Tuesday said it has signed an agreement with Rolls-Royce for Make-in-India Adour engine parts to support the latter’s international defence customer base.
A HAL statement issued here read: “Through this partnership, Rolls-Royce aims to strengthen the ecosystem for Adour engines in India by building on HAL’s existing capabilities for manufacturing and supporting the engines for Indian customers over several decades.”

 

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Just a thought came to me.

What are our chances to see a A-P conversion to SLBM?
Well in terms of benefits what would be the advantage over K4/K5 will be the big question that will need to be factored in

Personally i see AP utility as a ASBM, even as that of a future hypersonic glide vehicle carrier but who knows
 

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Just a thought came to me.

What are our chances to see a A-P conversion to SLBM?
I rather see Agni P as a stepping stone to having our own ASBM rather than an SLBM.
I see Agni P as India's equivalent to PLARF DF-21D and DF-26 which if effectively utilized can deter Chinese Carrier Battle Groups from entering the Indian Ocean Region.
 

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High time to name and shame these traitors. The family should bear the shame of their activities against the country.
That recommendation of punishing all the family members is like opening a Pandora's box. How can we assume that in all such cases the family members who may include aged parents, children and siblings were aware of the treachery and complicit in the act.

Do we want to crucify innocent people. Especially if after detailed investigations it is found that they did not suspect or know anything about the anti national activities of the accused family member.

Here unfortunately some distinctions have to be made. The Hindu community members are usually not enticed by religion or ideological reasons to spy for Pakistan. They usually fall prey to monetary inducement. Sex or love is probably another reason why they get subverted. Maybe sometimes because they feel that the Indian system has failed to deliver justice to them.

Whereas the Muslim community is more likely to to turn traitor for reasons of religion and falling to Pakistani propaganda of religious discrimination in India.
Grand visions of global jihad and Muslim supremacy also may act as a trigger.
There may be cases where the entire family of the traitor was aware of and supported the subversive activities of the accused family member. In such cases your suggestion may seem warranted.

So it is a dicey situation and decisions must be taken after due consideration.

We need to make more use of technology to ferret out the black sheep in organisations. Probably lie detector tests can be made mandatory every one or two years for people working in sensitive organisations. The employees can be asked some questions which will be framed by security agencies. Though not 100% reliable it would be useful. Increased CCTV surveillance of the workplace and regulations on use of personal mobile phones in the workplace etc can be considered.

It will be humanely impossible to catch every traitor or potential traitor but by having good security SOP's the threat can be minimised.

Lastly espionage is two way game. If they can do it we can also do it and we should do it more effectively in Porkiland.
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We need to make more use of technology to ferret out the black sheep in organisations.
Exactly, at least we should use our weak legislation to keep good intelligence within the borders. Make more use of communication intelligence and a special eye on the people travelling abroad. The fact that these guys travelled from Muscat to Pakistan and then back with firearms and hawala money must indicate some loopholes.
 

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Exactly, at least we should use our weak legislation to keep good intelligence within the borders. Make more use of communication intelligence and a special eye on the people travelling abroad. The fact that these guys travelled from Muscat to Pakistan and then back with firearms and hawala money must indicate some loopholes.
I believe in the developed countries anywhere between 50% to 75% of intelligence is collected through technical means. Data on bank balances, foreign travel, emails monitoring, cell phone records etc are collected regularly/periodically to look out for anything unusual. A sudden unexplained rise in income, buying assets like property, swanky cars, staying in expensive foreign resorts/hotels etc can provide clues to suspicious behaviour.

Some of the advanced countries use powerful computers and AI to sift through enormous amounts of data and detect unusual patterns. A few movies Hollywood have also been made on surveillance by CCTV's and interpretation of data by supercomputers. Mostly hype but some truth is a reality.

In India we have just started the process of creating records of each and every single Indian by the Aadhar Card measure. We have a long way to go to match the advanced countries in mass surveillance techniques.

Without infringing on personal liberty and creating a police state we need to increase nation wide surveillance to detect danger signals.
 

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That recommendation of punishing all the family members is like opening a Pandora's box. How can we assume that in all such cases the family members who may include aged parents, children and siblings were aware of the treachery and complicit in the act.

Do we want to crucify innocent people. Especially if after detailed investigations it is found that they did not suspect or know anything about the anti national activities of the accused family member.

Here unfortunately some distinctions have to be made. The Hindu community members are usually not enticed by religion or ideological reasons to spy for Pakistan. They usually fall prey to monetary inducement. Sex or love is probably another reason why they get subverted. Maybe sometimes because they feel that the Indian system has failed to deliver justice to them.

Whereas the Muslim community is more likely to to turn traitor for reasons of religion and falling to Pakistani propaganda of religious discrimination in India.
Grand visions of global jihad and Muslim supremacy also may act as a trigger.
There may be cases where the entire family of the traitor was aware of and supported the subversive activities of the accused family member. In such cases your suggestion may seem warranted.

So it is a dicey situation and decisions must be taken after due consideration.

We need to make more use of technology to ferret out the black sheep in organisations. Probably lie detector tests can be made mandatory every one or two years for people working in sensitive organisations. The employees can be asked some questions which will be framed by security agencies. Though not 100% reliable it would be useful. Increased CCTV surveillance of the workplace and regulations on use of personal mobile phones in the workplace etc can be considered.

It will be humanely impossible to catch every traitor or potential traitor but by having good security SOP's the threat can be minimised.

Lastly espionage is two way game. If they can do it we can also do it and we should do it more effectively in Porkiland.
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That's what fking bugs me no Indian spy ever gets caught in any strategic pak location or they don't share the details I don't know I discussed this once with indxtechstyle
 

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I believe in the developed countries anywhere between 50% to 75% of intelligence is collected through technical means. Data on bank balances, foreign travel, emails monitoring, cell phone records etc are collected regularly/periodically to look out for anything unusual. A sudden unexplained rise in income, buying assets like property, swanky cars, staying in expensive foreign resorts/hotels etc can provide clues to suspicious behaviour.

Some of the advanced countries use powerful computers and AI to sift through enormous amounts of data and detect unusual patterns. A few movies Hollywood have also been made on surveillance by CCTV's and interpretation of data by supercomputers. Mostly hype but some truth is a reality.

In India we have just started the process of creating records of each and every single Indian by the Aadhar Card measure. We have a long way to go to match the advanced countries in mass surveillance techniques.

Without infringing on personal liberty and creating a police state we need to increase nation wide surveillance to detect danger signals.
Aadhar would likely already be linked to CAIR's NETRA. CAIR's NETRA (and the larger Intel setup around it) can do a good job with technical intelligence of the kind you are talking about.
This is what NETRA is (ignore the bolded part and the image, Indian media is dumb):-
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It can do more than just this. From Wiki:-
NETRA can analyse voice traffic passing through software such as Skype and Google Talk, and intercept messages with keywords such as 'attack', 'bomb', 'blast' or 'kill' in real-time from the enormous number of tweets, status updates, emails, instant messaging transcripts, internet calls, blogs, forums and even images generated on the internet to obtain the desired intelligence. The system with RAW analyses large amount of international data which crosses through the internet networks in India. Three security agencies, which include the IB and RAW, have each been allotted a maximum of 300 Gigabytes (GB) per node totaling more than 1000 nodes for storing intercepted internet traffic (so, there are 1000 nodes x 300GB = 300,000GB of total space is initially decided to set up.), and an extra 100 GB per node is assigned to the remaining law enforcement agencies.
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This was decade ago. Today, there might be more sophisticated tools that CAIR would have built but not publicized maybe.
 

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That's what fking bugs me no Indian spy ever gets caught in any strategic pak location or they don't share the details I don't know I discussed this once with indxtechstyle
Well, has Pakistan succeeded in annexing Kashmir(their soul and heart, as claimed) after decades of frantic efforts.
A big NO.
So if the intelligence agencies of Pakistan were like the fictional James Bond of Hollywood who almost never loses then why this failure.
It means that we are doing something right. In spite of a low profile our intelligence agencies including R&AW, IB and DIA(defence intelligence) have been effective.

In Pakistan, the ISI is second only to Allah. But in reality it has been checkmated most of the time by our intelligence agencies.

So I think we should not underestimate our intelligence community. We may well have many deep assets in Porkiland.
 

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Well, has Pakistan succeeded in annexing Kashmir(their soul and heart, as claimed) after decades of frantic efforts.
A big NO.
So if the intelligence agencies of Pakistan were like the fictional James Bond of Hollywood who almost never loses then why this failure.
It means that we are doing something right. In spite of a low profile our intelligence agencies including R&AW, IB and DIA(defence intelligence) have been effective.

In Pakistan, the ISI is second only to Allah. But in reality it has been checkmated most of the time by our intelligence agencies.

So I think we should not underestimate our intelligence community. We may well have many deep assets in Porkiland.
Yeah they try to show muslims are incorruptible
And always right while I beleive it will be very easy to fool an amm Abdul who knows ?
 

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Aadhar would likely already be linked to CAIR's NETRA. CAIR's NETRA (and the larger Intel setup around it) can do a good job with technical intelligence of the kind you are talking about.
This is what NETRA is (ignore the bolded part and the image, Indian media is dumb):-
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It can do more than just this. From Wiki:-
NETRA can analyse voice traffic passing through software such as Skype and Google Talk, and intercept messages with keywords such as 'attack', 'bomb', 'blast' or 'kill' in real-time from the enormous number of tweets, status updates, emails, instant messaging transcripts, internet calls, blogs, forums and even images generated on the internet to obtain the desired intelligence. The system with RAW analyses large amount of international data which crosses through the internet networks in India. Three security agencies, which include the IB and RAW, have each been allotted a maximum of 300 Gigabytes (GB) per node totaling more than 1000 nodes for storing intercepted internet traffic (so, there are 1000 nodes x 300GB = 300,000GB of total space is initially decided to set up.), and an extra 100 GB per node is assigned to the remaining law enforcement agencies.
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This was decade ago. Today, there might be more sophisticated tools that CAIR would have built but not publicized maybe.
That NETRA AEW&C in the pic is different from the NETRA you are talking about..
 

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Ya'll Nibbiars Lal Salaam against the Fascists forces.

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Randi rona will go on for few months.
Left channels will call it a fight against fascism.
Liberals will post stories on their Insta.

After some time, no one will give a fuck.
Rinse and repeat, all they do is waste their own time and money . I guess collectively wasting resources is what their idea of socialism is all about.
 

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Well in terms of benefits what would be the advantage over K4/K5 will be the big question that will need to be factored in

Personally i see AP utility as a ASBM, even as that of a future hypersonic glide vehicle carrier but who knows
The reason why I mentioned the weight of A-P to be nearly 20 ton against the popular belief of 10 ton.
 

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