This is the very system deployed in Red Fort last year.
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Micro drone systems usually get pass thru Naval or Aerial surveillance radar. These systems would be incorporated in upcoming ships too. Remember that the recent LPD RFI mentioned DEW system among others.
But yes, as of now, these would be primarily ground based assets.
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Tonbo is such a gem. I know its way below their capabilities and not their field of work but if they can make TI sights and such, IA or MOD should nudge them for low cost made in India LPVOs and red dots.
Indigenization is the only way if we want to see them with all our soldiers.
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And here we are giving contract to turkey.
Agree to a large extent. The Indian private sector is still treated with suspicion by the bureaucracy. According to them as regards the defence sector
- Govt/PSU people are good and patriotic Indians
- Private sector people are of doubtful loyalty and bad Indians
This is putting it in very simple terms
But the unrefutable reality is that Indian defence production can never reach Self Sufficiency without involving the Private Sector in a big way. We don't have endless financial and material resources like the erstwhile Soviet Union to keep on pouring money into the Public Sector until they achieve success.
So productive and efficient usage of resources is essential to maximise return on investment. The Private Sector because of its profit motive will seek to minimise costs and maximise output. Labour productivity is also generally more in the Private Sector.
This does not mean that the Government and the Public Sector are unnecessary.
The Armed Forces of nations are themselves an Government organisation and are entrusted with the security of the nation. Many strategic sectors like Atomic Energy, Space etc are mostly in the Public Sector. The Government invests money and resources in these activities for the larger national interest. Health Care is another important area where the Government is necessarily present in order to provide good health care services to the public at reasonable cost.
The Government and the Public Sector will continue to exist but a balance has to be maintained. Wherever the Private Sector can make a meaningful contribution it should be allowed to operate. If the Private Sector can produce better quality defence products and innovate better then they should be provided a level playing field.
As far as ship building is concerned a company like L & T should be encouraged to contribute more to national defence. Established PSU's like Mazagon Docks Limited should initially hand hold such efficient companies like L&T and share the expertise. Probably by sub contracting and giving work share to them. No harm in involving them in large projects like destroyers, frigates, submarines or even aircraft carriers.
Once they gain the expertise and confidence they can bid independently for mega naval programmes.
By building up the Indian Private Sector capability nobody will lose and the Nation gains. It should not be seen as Public vs Private. The requirements are so large that both can thrive. If we want to keep pace with the Chinese naval shipbuilding speed then it is essential that the Indian Public and Private shipbuilders act in unison.
If tomorrow L&T becomes an Indian Hyundai in shipbuilding it does not mean that MDL will close down and its workers thrown into the streets. Both will succeed.
It is simply beyond logic that we are willing to trust and buy defence products from other countries in large quantities but don't want to empower our own Indian owned and Indian staffed Private Sector companies to try to meet our defence requirements.
To be honest, winds of change can be seen but more needs to be done and quickly to increase our overall national defence production capability. Indian defence startups are already making good progress in niche areas.
No need to write such long paragraphs. HSL won the bid fair and simple. No one was favoured, Hsl emerged as L1 bidder and they won, PERIOD. All ships are being made in India and only the design, technical assistance and certain machinery are coming from turkey.
Hindustan Shipyard to build 5 naval support vessels with Turkish help
The project, estimated to cost between $1.5 billion and $2 billion, will involve transfer of technology from Turkey's Anadolu Shipyard.
www.hindustantimes.com
Obviously internet fanboys can't seem to use their brain as always.
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You can expect some Turkish-Pakisthani spy's along with engineers, allowing Turks in HSL is a blunder I think, threat for strategic submarine project...Hindustan Shipyard to build 5 naval support vessels with Turkish help
The project, estimated to cost between $1.5 billion and $2 billion, will involve transfer of technology from Turkey's Anadolu Shipyard.
Obviously internet fanboys can't seem to use their brain as always.
What is your gripe?. Do you not agree that for defence production to rise exponentially in India the private sector has to play a major role. The public sector alone cannot meet our future defence needs.
Though many steps have been taken to increase private sector participation there is a feeling among industrialists that a level playing field is still not available.
Many people have apprehensions about awarding the contract to a Turkish company. The Turks have taken an anti Indian and pro Pakistan stand on Kashmir.
They have an very close relationship with Pakistan in the defence field. Having upgraded Pak F16 planes, upgraded their French submarines and building corvettes for them.
Are you saying that all over the world contracts are awarded only on merit especially in defence products. Even the greatest proponent of free trade the US has vetoed many defence deals bagged by European companies on grounds of national security and favoured higher priced American companies products. The L1 need not always win when national security interests are involved.
In the civilian sphere Chinese telecom companies have been unselected in various countries due to national security concerns. Though they quoted the lowest.
I did not go into the merit of this particular contract and my observations were on the larger question of insufficient private sector participation in defence. Did you even read my post well.
Anybody reading your reply would probably mistakenly think that you are a lobbyist for the Turkish company.
Cant you read? MoD nominated HSL and they released RFP to find a partner.Hindustan Shipyard to build 5 naval support vessels with Turkish help
The project, estimated to cost between $1.5 billion and $2 billion, will involve transfer of technology from Turkey's Anadolu Shipyard.
Obviously internet fanboys can't seem to use their brain as always.
From 2015 : https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...-fleet-support-ships/articleshow/50234798.cms
It was the Koreans before where talks breakdown during price negotiations.
And fanboys know what they dont know and be respectful to people who follow these stuff for far too long.
Actually go ahead for this is pending for more then a year now. Order has still not been placed.
Anyway going by RN plan, they are doing exactly what India is doing.
Among the consortium, one is shipyard whereas another is designer and subcomponent builder. L&T would in all means build the hull as per specs of Leidos.
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No thermobaric warhead option?
Mentioned that it has PCB warhead.No thermobaric warhead option?
This is not by ARDE.
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It's BCS larsen is the best company of india we need more of them
I remember people here going bersek when Israel said that they got RFI from IAF. That very day I told that it is nothing more then a bait to increase their market value.
