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Nope, you sound VERY jealous after that reply because talking about Mao is inverse to the context of China today.

If China were following Mao, it would still be as poor as India. When Mao died and Deng took over, China and India had the same GDP. Not today.

China left Maoist thoughts behind to become the world's largest trading nations and, by consumption, the world's largest market.

China is still communist so it is inefficient. That is why it is so much poorer per capita than other racially Chinese places like Taiwan, Hong Kong, Singapore and Macau. But it is very far away from Mao.

Sorry, the Chinese eats, drinks and travel too well to be "exploited."
Uh, why would I be jealous? I think you are insecure yourself. Very much so. You do not want people to notice the shitty side or Chinese development. Btw you said it yourself. The very foundation on which China and CCPs legitimacy rests along with the values it stood for had to be left behind for China to progress. :pound:CCP should step down for the good of China and Chinese people.

I believe jealousy will destroy one self. I do not entertain it. Your are insecure on the other hand. You are quite ashamed about lots of aspect of Chinese history. :daru: And are afraid to talk about it.
 
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@Trinetra This is what i was talking about the Force multiplier by the chinese its the machines which will matter a lot in these altitudes..

A Quick Note On Rising People’s Liberation Army Air Force Activities in Tibet

In March 2017, China opened an airport in Nyingchi, Tibet Autonomous Region (TAR), only 30 kilometers from the Line of Actual control (LAC) with India. This is the second largest airport in TAR and is closer to LAC than any other airport in the region. While the airport terminal is meant for civil aviation, it is known that Chinese airports, especially those in TAR, are essentially ‘dual-use’ – meant for both civil and military use. As Xinhua had announced in 2015, China is carrying out an ‘integration’ of civil-military airports in order to ‘strengthen aviation safety and combat support capabilities’. This will include joint maintenance of airport support facilities, joint flight safety support and joint airport management. Incidentally, one of the first airports to implement the aforesaid ‘integration’ was the Lhasa Gonggar Airport in TAR, having completed the process in 2015 itself. It can therefore be said that Nyingchi airport gives the People’s Liberation Army Air Force (PLAAF) an additional operational base in TAR, and one that is right opposite the Indian state of Arunachal Pradesh Overall, this development is in keeping with the recent increase in the tempo of PLAAF activities in TAR.

Rising PLAAF activities in TAR

In the early 2000s, with its airfields at an average height of 4,000 metres, PLAAF did not have any marked presence in TAR and refrained from permanent deployment. The two Air Divisions under the erstwhile Chengdu Military Region (MR) [Now merged with the Lanzhou MR to form the Western Theater Command] that had responsibility for TAR were located at bases outside TAR, and PLAAF used to deploy small detachments of four to six aircraft during good weather conditions for short periods. The deployments were usually of not more than two weeks in duration and were primarily to Lhasa Ghonggar airfield. This pattern continued till about late 2010. However, the situation started changing with an August 2010 exercise conducted by the PLAAF Logistics Department that sought to validate an enhancement in its operational capabilities by using the Qinghai-Tibet railway line for movement of ‘combat readiness materials’ to Tibet.

As such, both the size and deployment period of PLAAF detachments started increasing from 2011 onwards. Detachments of six to eight aircraft now began to be deployed to TAR for a period of three months. Also, deployments were now being made to two airfields at a time, reflecting increased PLAAF capabilities to conduct operations in TAR. It also helped that PLAAF had begun to operate newer combat types such as the J-10 and the J-11 that have much better hot and high capability than the J-7.

The year 2012 would see PLAAF carry out weapon firing trials at high altitude ranges in TAR for the first time in an integrated exercise- incidentally, the exercise involved ‘capture of passes in high altitude regions’. Winter operations were also carried out for the first time in 2012, and by 2014 PLAAF was conducting up to 1400 sorties out of TAR, a manifold increase as compared to the pre-2011 era. Presently, two regiments of 24 aircraft, made up of a mix of J-10s and J-11s, operate on a virtually permanent basis from TAR airfields.

Dual-use

In December 2012, on the sidelines of a major PLAAF exercise based out of an undisclosed airbase in Chengdu MR, Zhan Houshun, the then Chief Commanding Officer of the drill and Deputy Commander of the Military Command Air Force, stated that ‘there was only one runway for taking-off and landing at the airports of the PLAAF in the past, which could only support relatively few types of aircraft to simultaneously implement combat and training missions. But the airports with two runways for aircraft to take off and land at the same time can not only simultaneously support the flight of various types of active fighters, but also be used for the taking-off and landing of all types of domestic civil airplanes.’

This same perspective lies behind the dual-use identification of Chinese airports in TAR.

Giving out further details of China’s increased capabilities tested during that exercise, China Military Online asserted that the aircraft took-off and landed on the double-runway for 12 sorties within 10 minutes. It also said:

At the same time, more than 200 support vehicles of various types and hundreds of officers and men were making preparation before aircraft’s taking-off and carrying out maintenance after aircraft’s landing for various types of aircraft on the parking aprons on the east and west sides of the airport.’

Further underlining the apparently unprecedented nature of the effort at the time, the report went onto state:

‘The aircraft throughput per hour for the first drill was one third more than that at the airport in the past, and the peak throughput was even doubled, exceeding the aircraft throughput per hour at the civil airport with the same size, which was beyond the imagination of an old pilot with more than 20 years of flying experience like me.

Besides combat jets..

During the same PLAAF exercise, ground based air defences in the form of HQ-12 medium range surface to air missiles of the PLAAF’s Chengdu-based 11th Anti-Air Artillery (AAA) Brigade were also deployed. PLAAF has also been using military helicopters in TAR for patrolling purposes since at least 2013. The new Changhe Z-18 medium-lift helicopter has been tested for high altitude operations in TAR, making it only the second military helicopter in China’s inventory to operate out of the high-altitude Qinghai-Tibet Plateau. Incidentally, a PLAAF Z-18 established a new altitude record in 2015, when it flew over Mount Everest at a height of 9000 metres above sea-level.

For aerial surveillance, PLAAF also has radar stations at Ganba La near Lhasa and Shigatse with the Air Defence Reporting Centre being co-located at Ganba La. In addition to this, PLA Ground Force (PLAGF) operates acquisition radars at Ngari and Qamdo Bangda Airports and a SIGINT station north of Bum La.


Should we expect more?

As we know, China has reorganized its erstwhile seven Military Regions(MR) into five Theatre Commands or Zones. As stated above, Chengdu MR has been merged with Lanzhou MR to form the Western Theatre Command which has under its ambit more than half of China’s land area, 22 percent of its population and more than a third of its land-based military forces. In May 2016, China also raised the status of Tibet Military Command (TMC), by putting it directly under the jurisdiction of PLAGF, a move, which according to a Chinese analyst quoted in Chinese Communist Party mouthpiece Global Times meant that ‘China continues to strengthen its military presence in the autonomous region and aims to allow the military command to shoulder more combat assignments’.

What these ‘combat assignments’ could be, has not been publicly clarified, but it is likely that increased PLAAF activity will accompany whatever they turn out to be.
 

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Yea. Because one you lease it, it's Chinas territory. Which means it will be flattened in an event of a war. Frank question. What will SL do then? Retaliate ? :pound:

Oh I know what you will do. Your army Round up random Tamil civilians, kill them and rape women them to inflate your ego.
If you attack Chinese territory you will have to face a war with China. Who knows maybe Pakistan would also join the fray. I don't expect India to hold 2 fronts simultaneously.
 

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Wow... no source but fact viable. Is that also said in culavamsa? :pound:
So you don't take our Chronicles to be true sources of information. I wonder how do you comprehend the fact that Sinhalese came from India. Only Mahavansa contains the story of Vijaya arriving from India.

I think it's time that you stop showing us your ideocracy.
 

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If you attack Chinese territory you will have to face a war with China. Who knows maybe Pakistan would also join the fray. I don't expect India to hold 2 fronts simultaneously.
Please tell me you aren't counting SL as a 'front'. oh wait, you were serious .. :pound::pound::pound: and you are talking about 'idiocracy' ROFL!!! I don't think you know what that even means.

Just like you know nothing about warfare tactics. Do you think China is stupid enough to sail all the way through SE Asia and fight India in Indian ocean when she has borders running thousands of Kilometers? OMG I cant stop laughing :pound::pound::pound:. I don't even know where to begin.

So you are saying if India attacks SL, PLAN will bring dozens of ships to IOR and open up a "front" in Indian ocean? man you have no place on a defense forum. Do you know WHY US Navy stations so many ships so close to China? because they can call port in so many countries all the way from Singapore to SK all the way to Japan. without ports any ship will just be a sitting duck. Where will China port?

1) SL ports will be taken out easy. there isn't much in the way of defenses that you guys have. BTW that's what SU30MKI's are probably stationed in Sulur airbase in TN are for.

2) their fleet, or whatever PLAN can spare for an attack "as you claim", has to reach SL by passing right through Indian naval and airbases at Andaman past Malacca straits. Do you even understand how that will play out?

Ofcourse I am completely ignoring the fact that your idea is so outrageously stupid that it wont happen in the first place. You think China is as dumb as you? oh wait, PLAN can even attack prothean bases on Mars with their supa dupa ultra powa navy


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You are exactly going in the way of Pakistan who always say " IF YOU ATTACK US OUR IRON BROTHER WILL COME TO FIGHT". ofcourse, China wont, but atleast the two share a land border which gives them that hope. what do you have? Please enlighten me, how will China help out in IOR if India flattens SL ports.
 

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Please tell me you aren't counting SL as a 'front'. oh wait, you were serious .. :pound::pound::pound: and you are talking about 'idiocracy' ROFL!!! I don't think you know what that even means.

Just like you know nothing about warfare tactics. Do you think China is stupid enough to sail all the way through SE Asia and fight India in Indian ocean when she has borders running thousands of Kilometers? OMG I cant stop laughing :pound::pound::pound:. I don't even know where to begin.

So you are saying if India attacks SL, PLAN will bring dozens of ships to IOR and open up a "front" in Indian ocean? man you have no place on a defense forum. Do you know WHY US Navy stations so many ships so close to China? because they can call port in so many countries all the way from Singapore to SK all the way to Japan. without ports any ship will just be a sitting duck. Where will China port?

1) SL ports will be taken out easy. there isn't much in the way of defenses that you guys have. BTW that's what SU30MKI's are probably stationed in Sulur airbase in TN are for.

2) their fleet, or whatever PLAN can spare for an attack "as you claim", has to reach SL by passing right through Indian naval and airbases at Andaman past Malacca straits. Do you even understand how that will play out?

Ofcourse I am completely ignoring the fact that your idea is so outrageously stupid that it wont happen in the first place. You think China is as dumb as you? oh wait, PLAN can even attack prothean bases on Mars with their supa dupa ultra powa navy


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You are exactly going in the way of Pakistan who always say " IF YOU ATTACK US OUR IRON BROTHER WILL COME TO FIGHT". ofcourse, China wont, but atleast the two share a land border which gives them that hope. what do you have? Please enlighten me, how will China help out in IOR if India flattens SL ports.
You dumb twat. Where did I ever say Sri Lanka would become a front. If you people attack Chinese land (which will be leased for 99 years under India's nose) in Sri Lanka it will be like declaring war with Chinese mainland. If China declares war on India for attacking their property in Sri Lanka, Pakistan could also joins the fight with opening a second front from the West. China would open a front in the East.
 

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its in Culvamsa
You dumb twat. Where did I ever say Sri Lanka would become a front. If you people attack Chinese land (which will be leased for 99 years under India's nose) in Sri Lanka it will be like declaring war with Chinese mainland. If China declares war on India for attacking their property in Sri Lanka, Pakistan could also joins the fight with opening a second front from the West. China would open a front in the East.
dude, get back to my earlier post and read again. You seem to be like gajini. With short term memory loss.
I said 'in the event of a war/Attack......' why would India Attack SL without a reason and start a war? Get back 3 posts before where this conversation started and follow the train of reasoning. Don't treat posts individually. You are educated. Stop eating grass. And My point stands. You have no clue about warfare.
 

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@HeinzGud before you post a meaningless answer without reading my posts in their entirety. I'll stop you right here to reiterate.

Incase of an Indian China war, there is no place for Chinese ships to dock in IOR except SL. If SL opens her port to Chinese ships(which it probably will considering it's not SL but leased to china), they will be attacked. SL Ports will be taken out of commission. I cannot make it any simpler. I don't know how much of help Chinese will be able to provide in such a situation to you. Do you understand? Indian navy is massive in scale compared to PLAN outside SCS. As for Pakistani navy, we successfully blockaded their main port. What could they do? And you expect pakis to come to your rescue 3000 Km away past all our bases And ships? Yea ok.


I cannot make it any more simpler
 

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@captscooby81 I would again say the same experience matters most rather than fancy equipment.. Its all about real time battle plan..and whatever modern equipment china has its not going to effective that much as long as real time experience is there with the army..
 

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Time to annex Sri Lanka as India's 30th state. You live and die by our will. Soon Tamilians will flood Colombo and we'll have Akhand Bharat.
The ONLY reason Sri Lanka isn't a part of India is because of the British bitches and the French. It was after the treaty of Amines. Without going in too technical, after the treaty of Amines with the French, the British transfered control of Ceylon which was under madras presidency at the time, from the east India company to the queen. Which rest of India was under the control of EIC. Inspite of being SL considered as a poor colony it was transferred from the company to the crown purely for strategic reasons. Or SL is a part of India for all intents and purposes.

As usual they fcuked it up for us.
 
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i agree with you brother that man behind the machine matters .. But you also have to taken into consideration a man has limitations and he may be good in killing 10 pigs but what if 1000 pigs descend on him how many will he kill and how soon he will get killed ... Look at the sheer size of chinese armoured division they have 9000 ATGS were are we 542 ATGs with a deficit of 3000 more right away ..If you expect our Mig 21 s will do great against their J-16/17 than its over confidence . The only weapon which right now looks better than the chinese pigs is Brahmos apart from that we are trailing them in most of the weapons technology ...For me end of the day my Tiranga should fly high irrespective of who the enemy is but i should also like to be little pessimistic ..

@captscooby81 I would again say the same experience matters most rather than fancy equipment.. Its all about real time battle plan..and whatever modern equipment china has its not going to effective that much as long as real time experience is there with the army..
 

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And Army never forced to retreat irrespective of any govt at the center and not an inch was compromise ever since 1962
Do you know anything about the travel of salman Kurshid when china Intruded in Indian territory and refused to go back to reslove the issue. Do you know anything about the building up of Indian force against the china in the time of general sundarji and congress govt pissed in pant and N D Tiwari (If i do not forget) was send to do maska polish to china and sudarji offered his resignation to rajiv if he do not trust sunder ji. History of congress is the history of compromise of national interest. In whoes time the china and pakistan grabbed our land from Kashmir and ladakh? It is very surprising that you can not see any difference between that spineless regime and Modi's regime. Can you see how pakistan is regressed in last two and half years and finding it difficult to counter Modi so as china?
Chinses Bombers - Fighters violated Indian sovereignty last Year and how Chinese troops intruted when Xi was given red carpet by Modi.
I have replied you this so many times. They have to withdrew with tail between their two legs and now they are talking of some conflict avoiding mechanism. They are taught lesson by generating proper response and not by licking their feet. If you remember that when Antony visited china, his general had made a provocation statement. Poor Antony humbly asked what is china's policy and they replied that it is general's personal view. None of the congress leader had the guts to look into china's eye and respond. Modi not hay has the guts to do that but he can push bamboo in china's back side Which he is doing by his act east policy. CHina was never on the backfoot like it is today. From Nepal, Bhutan, SL, Maldive and even in pakistan, china's influence is diminishing. India is getting strong in south china sea.
 

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Cut the crap. S 400 and Rafale don't belong to Modi but India same as SU 30MKI, P8I, Agni 5, BMD and Brahmos don't belong to Congress. I gave a link about LAC road in AP read it.
We had a plan to buy air defense system for a long long time. We are doing MMRCA exercise for one and half decade. Why the things were not materializing? MMRCA had gone in a big spin and this government recovered it by going into Government to government deal and made a great negotiation. Had it been Antony, it would have been canceled like many other vital defense deals.
A5 and other missile are different ball game . They are not purchased from out side and has no substitute. Now new purchase policy has come and defense ministry gives the deadline of project completion. They have tried their best to see that beurocratic hurdles are minimized.

Had parrikar not been there, IAF would not have ever given such a big order of tejas. He conducted series of meeting between DRDO and IAF and compelled IAF to accept Tejas. Which other defense minister has done this?
 

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Blk 3 was in testing phase by late 2013. First test conducted in 2012. It deployment for AP was cleared by Manmohan Cabinet just as Modi Cabinet recently cleared it's deployment.
It is not about only BLK 3, Tell me why congress did not build required infrastructure in Arunachal pradesh? First thing modi did was to conceive border infrastructure and a 1800 KM high way near Indo china border and he is doing bloody lots of things in Arunaachal. Read today, A railway line is conceived upto tawang. Had anybody stopped congress to do all these in so many years of their rule?
 

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We had a plan to buy air defense system for a long long time. We are doing MMRCA exercise for one and half decade. Why the things were not materializing? MMRCA had gone in a big spin and this government recovered it by going into Government to government deal and made a great negotiation. Had it been Antony, it would have been canceled like many other vital defense deals.
A5 and other missile are different ball game . They are not purchased from out side and has no substitute. Now new purchase policy has come and defense ministry gives the deadline of project completion. They have tried their best to see that beurocratic hurdles are minimized.

Had parrikar not been there, IAF would not have ever given such a big order of tejas. He conducted series of meeting between DRDO and IAF and compelled IAF to accept Tejas. Which other defense minister has done this?

First you cleverly mentioned S 400 and now you are saying that we had a plan for it long time which is clearly a lie when not even a proper contract has been signed. And there will be no no S 400 before 2020 or maybe beyond. We have seen the Rafale deal progress Negotiations, Final negotiations and Advance negotiations took more than a Year lol


But you go educate yourself about Akash SAM induction, Spyder QR SAM, JV on Barak 8 which will be the backbone of Navy Air defense. And unlike S 400 these are SAM which already operationally inducted.

Also, We had a deal of KA 226 signed in 2015 now there was news few days back that it stuck. Same as costly Rafale which came to India without ToT and just 36 in numbers.


He conducted series of meeting between DRDO and IAF and compelled IAF to accept Tejas. Which other defense minister has done this?

Lol compelled. Naval chief recently rejected Naval Tejas and even it's mk 2 variant. BTW Tejas didn't even get the FoC :lol:


I have replied you this so many times. They have to withdrew with tail between their two legs and now they are talking of some conflict avoiding mechanism. They are taught lesson by generating proper response and not by licking their feet. If you remember that when Antony visited china, his general had made a provocation statement. Poor Antony humbly asked what is china's policy and they replied that it is general's personal view. None of the congress leader had the guts to look into china's eye and respond. Modi not hay has the guts to do that but he can push bamboo in china's back side Which he is doing by his act east policy.
Lol tail between legs. So you mean when PLAF bomber violated our sovereignity it was intercepted by IAF or you mean when Chinese forces intruded the Border when Xi was given Red Carpet, there was a bloodbath of Chinese forces.



From Nepal, Bhutan, SL, Maldive and even in pakistan, china's influence is diminishing. India is getting strong in south china sea.
Nepal in it's History opening a Rail route with China. For the first time there are joint Sino - Nepal Military exercise.


Sri Lanka is docking Chinese Submarine. Do you know it's implications, It's Navy kills Indian fishermen with impunity. China is buying Maldivian Island and developing it's port.


And here you are making fanboy claims that Chinese influence is diminishing and India is getting strong in South China Sea even though we don't have enough subs for Indian waters let alone sent it to South China sea.

Not to mention the scorpene class sub Leaked classified Data.


Do you know anything about the travel of salman Kurshid when china Intruded in Indian territory and refused to go back to reslove the issue. Do you know anything about the building up of Indian force against the china in the time of general sundarji and congress govt pissed in pant and N D Tiwari (If i do not forget) was send to do maska polish to china and sudarji offered his resignation to rajiv if he do not trust sunder ji. History of congress is the history of compromise of national interest. In whoes time the china and pakistan grabbed our land from Kashmir and ladakh? It is very surprising that you can not see any difference between that spineless regime and Modi's regime. Can you see how pakistan is regressed in last two and half years and finding it difficult to counter Modi so as china?

As if lost territory has been recovered.and how many Chinese Troops slaughtered when they still continue to intrude. But since you mentioned it, yes our territory was lost in 1962 but Indira gave Chinese a bloody nose and humiliating defeat in Cho La and Nathu La.

But still we compensate for our lost territory in Siachen, Turtok ,few important posts were captured in Poonch and Kargil heights after that Pakistan was forced to acknowledge LoC instead of old CFL line.

So acknowledge these achievements if you loves to mention 1962.


Can you see how pakistan is regressed in last two and half years and finding it difficult to counter Modi so as china?
Have some shame before making these stupid claims. No wonder Pakis love to humiliate you on their forum.


Pakis are beheading and mutilating Indian soldiers. How do you feel when you see Pakis playing football with the head of our soldier's head ?


And Modi govt didn't even supported the bill declaring Pak a terrorist state while he shamelessly claimed ISI behind Indian Train accidents during election.
 
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First you cleverly mentioned S 400 and now you are saying that we had a plan for it long time which is clearly a lie when not even a proper contract has been signed. And there will be no no S 400 before 2020 or maybe beyond. We have seen the Rafale deal progress Negotiations, Final negotiations and Advance negotiations took more than a Year lol


But you go educate yourself about Akash SAM induction, Spyder QR SAM, JV on Barak 8 which will be the backbone of Navy Air defense. And unlike S 400 these are SAM which already operationally inducted.

Also, We had a deal of KA 226 signed in 2015 now there was news few days back that it stuck. Same as costly Rafale which came to India without ToT and just 36 in numbers.





Lol compelled. Naval chief recently rejected Naval Tejas and even it's mk 2 variant. BTW Tejas didn't even get the FoC :lol:




Lol tail between legs. So you mean when PLAF bomber violated our sovereignity it was intercepted by IAF or you mean when Chinese forces intruded the Border when Xi was given Red Carpet, there was a bloodbath of Chinese forces.





Dude plz Shut the fuck up. Nepal in it's History opening a Rail route with China. For the first time there are joint Sino - Nepal Military exercise.


Sri Lanka is docking Chinese Submarine. Do you know it's implications, It's Navy kills Indian fishermen with impunity. China is buying Maldivian Island and developing it's port.


And here you are making fanboy claims that Chinese influence is diminishing and India is getting strong in South China Sea even though we don't have enough subs for Indian waters let alone sent it to South China sea.

Not to mention the scorpene class sub Leaked classified Data.





As if lost territory has been recovered.and how many Chinese Troops slaughtered when they still continue to intrude. But since you mentioned it, yes our territory was lost in 1962 but Indira gave Chinese a bloody nose and humiliating defeat in Cho La and Nathu La.

But still we compensate for our lost territory in Siachen, Turtok ,few important posts were captured in Poonch and Kargil heights after that Pakistan was forced to acknowledge LoC instead of old CFL line.

So acknowledge these achievements if you loves to mention 1962.




Have some shame before making these stupid claims. No wonder Pakis love to humiliate you on their forum.


Pakis are beheading and mutilating Indian soldiers. How do you feel when you see Pakis playing football with the head of our soldier's head ?


And Modi govt didn't even supported the bill declaring Pak a terrorist state while he shamelessly claimed ISI behind Indian Train accidents during election.

Just to be sure, are you supporter of the Congress (and by extension, their ideology) ? If not, then which political party do you support or are you apolitical ?
 

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Just to be sure, are you supporter of the Congress (and by extension, their ideology) ? If not, then which political party do you support or are you apolitical ?
I shit and piss on congress and most of it's leaders but why do you care ?
 

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