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‘Don’t go back to those dirty Indians’: The marines’ case fuels fascist sentiments in Italy
Right-wing vitriol has worsened since the medical leave of one of the two Italian marines accused of killing Indian fishermen was extended.
Carlo Pizzati · Yesterday · 09:15 am

A strange combination of oddities is reawakening the world of right-wing and post-fascist sentiments among some Italians. Odd nativity statuettes, imaginary flying luckdragons, threats of stealing the Indian flag, racist insults and much more are being employed as the result of the drawn-out story of two Italian marines to be tried in India for allegedly killing two fishermen off Kerala’s coast four years ago.

Last month, two miniature plastic soldiers appeared in a nativity scene that was photographed and circulated widely on social media and in the Italian press. Hovering above baby Jesus, next to Mary and rubbing elbows with Saint Joseph were two characters who couldn’t possibly have lived 2015 years ago in Bethlehem. They were dressed in modern Italian marine fatigues and standing erect and proud, as if they were sailing on a giant aircraft carrier. It was Giorgia Meloni, leader of the right-wing Brothers of Italy party, who had decided that figurines of the two Italian marines deserved a place of honour at the heart of a much-revered Italian Christmas tradition.


Giorgia Meloni, leader of Brothers of Italy, with figurines of the Italian marines.
Further trouble came in the form of Simone Di Stefano, vice-president of the extreme right-wing group New Force. “We will steal the Indian flag from the embassy in Rome and we will cause a diplomatic incident,” he thundered. Such chest-thumping was not uncommon in the Italian fascist and neo-fascist tradition about 100 years ago, but they still survive in some quarters.

These fascists have a soft, dreamy side too. Since the marines’ nativity gimmick didn’t work so well, Brothers of Italy launched a new campaign. It plastered the streets of Rome and parts of Italy with the image of the two marines riding on the back of Falkor, a “luckdragon” from the German fantasy novel The Neverending Story. “Let’s bring them home,” exhorted the poster against the backdrop of a blue sky filled with scattered clouds, and ended with the comment, “Italy takes off."

In fact, Italy is not taking off, and neither are the two marines.


Simone Di Stefano, vice-president of New Force, has threatened to steal the Indian flag from the embassy in Rome.
Going nowhere

One of them, the taciturn Massimiliano Latorre, who had returned temporarily to his homeland of Puglia after suffering a stroke, will not take off for Delhi on January 15, as originally planned. This week an Italian senator announced he would not be sent back at all. Shortly after, on the same day, the Supreme Court of India granted Latorre an extension till April 30 on medical grounds. The Kerala government and some Congress leaders were not pleased. “Sad and unfortunate,” was how Charles George, convenor of the Kerala Fisheries Coordinating Committee, described the leniency.

What about the other marine who is still under house arrest at the Italian embassy in Delhi? Salvatore Girone is “coming back on February 30”, quipped an angry commentator upon hearing the news of Latorre’s extension. In fact, he’s not taking off either. Girone is staying put, regardless of the fact that a defence committee in Italy announced he would be returning soon.

In the past few weeks the Italian government has asked a new International Court to apply “urgent measures” to bring Girone back to Italy, after the International Tribunal for the Law of the Sea in Hamburg rejected a similar plea. The International Tribunal is still evaluating the case in its entirety.

I guess you would expect a bit of gratitude from Italians for a decision that allows a sick man to stay in his own country longer than originally granted. But this infuriated commentators all over right-wing blogs and social networks. “Those primordial types are making fun of us,” wrote Salvatore Zambrino. Spurted Domenico Libri on his Facebook page, “Don’t go back to those dirty Indians."

Ruined conversations, relations

It must be remembered that up until the 1940s, crowds of Fascists would march on Italian streets singing these words with Ethiopians in mind: “You little black face, pretty Abyssinian, just wait and hope, the time is nearing, when we will be next to you, we will give you another Duce and another King.” Of course, things went south quite fast for Italians in their colonial war in Africa, and a few years later Italians were hanging their Duce upside down in Milan and bludgeoning him and his mistress to death, but that’s another story for another time. In today’s Italy, racist comments against refugees are heard regularly on television, and it is not rare for hooligans in football stadiums to hum racist chants against African and Arab players, despite the reprimand and fine that follows.

Sitting around a festive dinner table a few days ago, I told my nephew that the surest way to revive a languishing conversation in Italy these days is to say, “E i marò?,” which in English means “how about those marines?” The issue of the two Italian marines accused of killing Indian fishermen seems a sure-fire way to get people talking. I was, unfortunately, right. The dinner was almost ruined by bickering and fights. Two years after the alleged killings, chances are still high that you’ll always unearth conflicting, strong opinions among Italians on this topic. The situation has been worsened by the latest news. The impression is that no solution is in sight, and no beginning of a trial either.

While Italian President Sergio Mattarella vows that the country “will continue to fight for Latorre and Girone”, the legal implications are a bit more muddled up. Relationships, including economic ties, between Italy and India are still strained. On the diplomatic front, Italy has veto power, which it exercised against India in September to stop New Delhi’s membership applications before all four export control regimes in charge of the world’s trade in nuclear supplies. It is all a strange combination of oddities, indeed.


Falkor the Luckdragon will bring back the Italian marines.
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Superiority complex of westerners guys.
:pound::pound::pound::pound:
:rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao:
 

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‘Don’t go back to those dirty Indians’: The marines’ case fuels fascist sentiments in Italy
Right-wing vitriol has worsened since the medical leave of one of the two Italian marines accused of killing Indian fishermen was extended.
Carlo Pizzati · Yesterday · 09:15 am

A strange combination of oddities is reawakening the world of right-wing and post-fascist sentiments among some Italians. Odd nativity statuettes, imaginary flying luckdragons, threats of stealing the Indian flag, racist insults and much more are being employed as the result of the drawn-out story of two Italian marines to be tried in India for allegedly killing two fishermen off Kerala’s coast four years ago.

Last month, two miniature plastic soldiers appeared in a nativity scene that was photographed and circulated widely on social media and in the Italian press. Hovering above baby Jesus, next to Mary and rubbing elbows with Saint Joseph were two characters who couldn’t possibly have lived 2015 years ago in Bethlehem. They were dressed in modern Italian marine fatigues and standing erect and proud, as if they were sailing on a giant aircraft carrier. It was Giorgia Meloni, leader of the right-wing Brothers of Italy party, who had decided that figurines of the two Italian marines deserved a place of honour at the heart of a much-revered Italian Christmas tradition.


Giorgia Meloni, leader of Brothers of Italy, with figurines of the Italian marines.
Further trouble came in the form of Simone Di Stefano, vice-president of the extreme right-wing group New Force. “We will steal the Indian flag from the embassy in Rome and we will cause a diplomatic incident,” he thundered. Such chest-thumping was not uncommon in the Italian fascist and neo-fascist tradition about 100 years ago, but they still survive in some quarters.

These fascists have a soft, dreamy side too. Since the marines’ nativity gimmick didn’t work so well, Brothers of Italy launched a new campaign. It plastered the streets of Rome and parts of Italy with the image of the two marines riding on the back of Falkor, a “luckdragon” from the German fantasy novel The Neverending Story. “Let’s bring them home,” exhorted the poster against the backdrop of a blue sky filled with scattered clouds, and ended with the comment, “Italy takes off."

In fact, Italy is not taking off, and neither are the two marines.


Simone Di Stefano, vice-president of New Force, has threatened to steal the Indian flag from the embassy in Rome.
Going nowhere

One of them, the taciturn Massimiliano Latorre, who had returned temporarily to his homeland of Puglia after suffering a stroke, will not take off for Delhi on January 15, as originally planned. This week an Italian senator announced he would not be sent back at all. Shortly after, on the same day, the Supreme Court of India granted Latorre an extension till April 30 on medical grounds. The Kerala government and some Congress leaders were not pleased. “Sad and unfortunate,” was how Charles George, convenor of the Kerala Fisheries Coordinating Committee, described the leniency.

What about the other marine who is still under house arrest at the Italian embassy in Delhi? Salvatore Girone is “coming back on February 30”, quipped an angry commentator upon hearing the news of Latorre’s extension. In fact, he’s not taking off either. Girone is staying put, regardless of the fact that a defence committee in Italy announced he would be returning soon.

In the past few weeks the Italian government has asked a new International Court to apply “urgent measures” to bring Girone back to Italy, after the International Tribunal for the Law of the Sea in Hamburg rejected a similar plea. The International Tribunal is still evaluating the case in its entirety.

I guess you would expect a bit of gratitude from Italians for a decision that allows a sick man to stay in his own country longer than originally granted. But this infuriated commentators all over right-wing blogs and social networks. “Those primordial types are making fun of us,” wrote Salvatore Zambrino. Spurted Domenico Libri on his Facebook page, “Don’t go back to those dirty Indians."

Ruined conversations, relations

It must be remembered that up until the 1940s, crowds of Fascists would march on Italian streets singing these words with Ethiopians in mind: “You little black face, pretty Abyssinian, just wait and hope, the time is nearing, when we will be next to you, we will give you another Duce and another King.” Of course, things went south quite fast for Italians in their colonial war in Africa, and a few years later Italians were hanging their Duce upside down in Milan and bludgeoning him and his mistress to death, but that’s another story for another time. In today’s Italy, racist comments against refugees are heard regularly on television, and it is not rare for hooligans in football stadiums to hum racist chants against African and Arab players, despite the reprimand and fine that follows.

Sitting around a festive dinner table a few days ago, I told my nephew that the surest way to revive a languishing conversation in Italy these days is to say, “E i marò?,” which in English means “how about those marines?” The issue of the two Italian marines accused of killing Indian fishermen seems a sure-fire way to get people talking. I was, unfortunately, right. The dinner was almost ruined by bickering and fights. Two years after the alleged killings, chances are still high that you’ll always unearth conflicting, strong opinions among Italians on this topic. The situation has been worsened by the latest news. The impression is that no solution is in sight, and no beginning of a trial either.

While Italian President Sergio Mattarella vows that the country “will continue to fight for Latorre and Girone”, the legal implications are a bit more muddled up. Relationships, including economic ties, between Italy and India are still strained. On the diplomatic front, Italy has veto power, which it exercised against India in September to stop New Delhi’s membership applications before all four export control regimes in charge of the world’s trade in nuclear supplies. It is all a strange combination of oddities, indeed.


Falkor the Luckdragon will bring back the Italian marines.
@Screambowl @Srinivas_K @Mad Indian @I_PLAY_BAD @rock127 @pmaitra @indiatester @LETHALFORCE @sayareakd @maomao @guru-dutt @spikey360 @Yusuf @Sakal Gharelu Ustad @sabari @Agnostic_Indian @bengalraider @Bangalorean @FRYCRY @punjab47 @Lions Of Punjab
@Blackwater @thethinker
Superiority complex of westerners guys.
:pound::pound::pound::pound:
:rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao:
go to dirty indians only if you get to become party president,

and you get to rule india like queen.
 

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‘Don’t go back to those dirty Indians’: The marines’ case fuels fascist sentiments in Italy
Right-wing vitriol has worsened since the medical leave of one of the two Italian marines accused of killing Indian fishermen was extended.
Carlo Pizzati · Yesterday · 09:15 am

A strange combination of oddities is reawakening the world of right-wing and post-fascist sentiments among some Italians. Odd nativity statuettes, imaginary flying luckdragons, threats of stealing the Indian flag, racist insults and much more are being employed as the result of the drawn-out story of two Italian marines to be tried in India for allegedly killing two fishermen off Kerala’s coast four years ago.

Last month, two miniature plastic soldiers appeared in a nativity scene that was photographed and circulated widely on social media and in the Italian press. Hovering above baby Jesus, next to Mary and rubbing elbows with Saint Joseph were two characters who couldn’t possibly have lived 2015 years ago in Bethlehem. They were dressed in modern Italian marine fatigues and standing erect and proud, as if they were sailing on a giant aircraft carrier. It was Giorgia Meloni, leader of the right-wing Brothers of Italy party, who had decided that figurines of the two Italian marines deserved a place of honour at the heart of a much-revered Italian Christmas tradition.


Giorgia Meloni, leader of Brothers of Italy, with figurines of the Italian marines.
Further trouble came in the form of Simone Di Stefano, vice-president of the extreme right-wing group New Force. “We will steal the Indian flag from the embassy in Rome and we will cause a diplomatic incident,” he thundered. Such chest-thumping was not uncommon in the Italian fascist and neo-fascist tradition about 100 years ago, but they still survive in some quarters.

These fascists have a soft, dreamy side too. Since the marines’ nativity gimmick didn’t work so well, Brothers of Italy launched a new campaign. It plastered the streets of Rome and parts of Italy with the image of the two marines riding on the back of Falkor, a “luckdragon” from the German fantasy novel The Neverending Story. “Let’s bring them home,” exhorted the poster against the backdrop of a blue sky filled with scattered clouds, and ended with the comment, “Italy takes off."

In fact, Italy is not taking off, and neither are the two marines.


Simone Di Stefano, vice-president of New Force, has threatened to steal the Indian flag from the embassy in Rome.
Going nowhere

One of them, the taciturn Massimiliano Latorre, who had returned temporarily to his homeland of Puglia after suffering a stroke, will not take off for Delhi on January 15, as originally planned. This week an Italian senator announced he would not be sent back at all. Shortly after, on the same day, the Supreme Court of India granted Latorre an extension till April 30 on medical grounds. The Kerala government and some Congress leaders were not pleased. “Sad and unfortunate,” was how Charles George, convenor of the Kerala Fisheries Coordinating Committee, described the leniency.

What about the other marine who is still under house arrest at the Italian embassy in Delhi? Salvatore Girone is “coming back on February 30”, quipped an angry commentator upon hearing the news of Latorre’s extension. In fact, he’s not taking off either. Girone is staying put, regardless of the fact that a defence committee in Italy announced he would be returning soon.

In the past few weeks the Italian government has asked a new International Court to apply “urgent measures” to bring Girone back to Italy, after the International Tribunal for the Law of the Sea in Hamburg rejected a similar plea. The International Tribunal is still evaluating the case in its entirety.

I guess you would expect a bit of gratitude from Italians for a decision that allows a sick man to stay in his own country longer than originally granted. But this infuriated commentators all over right-wing blogs and social networks. “Those primordial types are making fun of us,” wrote Salvatore Zambrino. Spurted Domenico Libri on his Facebook page, “Don’t go back to those dirty Indians."

Ruined conversations, relations

It must be remembered that up until the 1940s, crowds of Fascists would march on Italian streets singing these words with Ethiopians in mind: “You little black face, pretty Abyssinian, just wait and hope, the time is nearing, when we will be next to you, we will give you another Duce and another King.” Of course, things went south quite fast for Italians in their colonial war in Africa, and a few years later Italians were hanging their Duce upside down in Milan and bludgeoning him and his mistress to death, but that’s another story for another time. In today’s Italy, racist comments against refugees are heard regularly on television, and it is not rare for hooligans in football stadiums to hum racist chants against African and Arab players, despite the reprimand and fine that follows.

Sitting around a festive dinner table a few days ago, I told my nephew that the surest way to revive a languishing conversation in Italy these days is to say, “E i marò?,” which in English means “how about those marines?” The issue of the two Italian marines accused of killing Indian fishermen seems a sure-fire way to get people talking. I was, unfortunately, right. The dinner was almost ruined by bickering and fights. Two years after the alleged killings, chances are still high that you’ll always unearth conflicting, strong opinions among Italians on this topic. The situation has been worsened by the latest news. The impression is that no solution is in sight, and no beginning of a trial either.

While Italian President Sergio Mattarella vows that the country “will continue to fight for Latorre and Girone”, the legal implications are a bit more muddled up. Relationships, including economic ties, between Italy and India are still strained. On the diplomatic front, Italy has veto power, which it exercised against India in September to stop New Delhi’s membership applications before all four export control regimes in charge of the world’s trade in nuclear supplies. It is all a strange combination of oddities, indeed.


Falkor the Luckdragon will bring back the Italian marines.
@Screambowl @Srinivas_K @Mad Indian @I_PLAY_BAD @rock127 @pmaitra @indiatester @LETHALFORCE @sayareakd @maomao @guru-dutt @spikey360 @Yusuf @Sakal Gharelu Ustad @sabari @Agnostic_Indian @bengalraider @Bangalorean @FRYCRY @punjab47 @Lions Of Punjab
@Blackwater @thethinker
Superiority complex of westerners guys.
:pound::pound::pound::pound:
:rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao:

Italy was the first to surrender when allied invaded :p
 

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Their Fascist Ass was kicked by Indian Army in world war,they should know their worth or ask next door Portugal,how they lost GOA,they are overestimating their Auqat.
And kick will be 100 times harder to italinas if an Indo-italian war occurs today. :lol:
But Italians are living in their 19th centuries world power heaven.
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Please liberate one Italian woman and her son from dirty Indians and take them back to motherland, forever. :laugh:
Indians will be happy to give her real name Italian ANTONIA MAINO back in he process of DE-dirtifying her.

Sonia Gandhi ( pronunciation (help·info); born Edvige Antonia Albina Màino,[4][5][6] 9 December 1946) is an Italian-born Indian politician, who has served as President of the Indian National Congress party since 1998.
Italians have always brought shame to Italy whenever they are in a different nation. First Antonia Maino and now..Italian Marines. Them should know how to behave when they are outside their borders.
 

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Poor Edvige Maino... only to have amassed a few milions dollars (only the bare essentials for survive) to looting a billion of indians... so hated.

Ungrateful dirty Indians.
 

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is it the country thats bankrupt ?? well where is this Italy ?? its very hard to find these tiny countries on world map.
 

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is it the country thats bankrupt ?? well where is this Italy ?? its very hard to find these tiny countries on world map.
they are coming to germany to look for jobs. and italians are famous for chori and ducait
 

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is it the country thats bankrupt ?? well where is this Italy ?? its very hard to find these tiny countries on world map.
Is really hard find the tiny Italy on the world map... so we were forced, over the centuries, to put a lot of signs around the world written in our language where we were and were can find us ... unfortunately a lot of people copied our alphabet and you're forced to write with that characters and use a language with 70% of words derivate from our language.

they are coming to germany to look for jobs. and italians are famous for chori and ducait
Italy has one of the lowest rate of murders, robberies and rapes in the western world, however in steadily declining although now 50% is committed by lesser 8% of immigrants.

And the opposite ... are the Germans are seeking Italians...as Italian if you want to go to Germany to study.. you have a incentive of 800 Euro/month or 2,500 euro/month secured for a job.

But averange germans are poor... (they have only 50,000 euro of of wealth... we have around 300,000 euro as average for capital) so no much incentive, Germany is not the sunny Italy... so they are forced to hire unskilled refugee with wages of 400/500 euro.
 
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Is really hard find the tiny Italy on the world map... so we were forced, over the centuries, to put a lot of signs around the world written in our language where we were and were can find us ... unfortunately a lot of people copied our alphabet and you're forced to write with that characters and use a language with 70% of words derivate from our language.



Italy has one of the lowest rate of murders, robberies and rapes in the western world, however in steadily declining although now 50% is committed by lesser 8% of immigrants.

And the opposite ... are the Germans are seeking Italians...as Italian if you want to go to Germany to study.. you have a incentive of 800 Euro/month or 2,500 euro/month secured for a job.

But averange germans are poor... (they have only 50,000 euro of of wealth... we have around 300,000 euro as average for capital) so no much incentive, Germany is not the sunny Italy... so they are forced to hire unskilled refugee with wages of 400/500 euro.
Despite to all this, your people have no manners how to behave in foreign country. :laugh:
 

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Italy has one of the lowest rate of murders, robberies and rapes in the western world
So the whole 'Italian mafia' thing is a made up fairytale? and I used to think Italians have no sense of humor. Please accept my apology, you clearly have a fantastic sense of humor :yo:

I want to respond to your condescension but I just can't get myself to be angry at you after seeing waves after waves of muslim migrants entering Italy every day on the news. The muslims will take care of you. Maybe that's why I can't be angry at you because I pity you. It would do your country a whole lot of good if you stopped bickering with 'dirty people' from another continent while yours is being boarded by infiltrators daily. Seems like, your priorities aren't the only things that are messed up.



Btw, you claim that Italy is a shining paragon of law and order and all things nice, but after seeing the following video, people will be increasingly cynical to endorse your claim.


 
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Here a small account from work war 2 catalogues
A German soldier came running to general Rommel saying "Sir Italy has declared war and they are mobilising their troops"
General keeping his calm said with a smile "No problem mate , send a small regiment to take care of them , we will be fine"

Soldier said "Sir you don't understand they have declared war with us and now they are out allies"
General became uneasy and said with a worry "Patch me to high command , we have to mobilise 3 battalions to stop them in doing so"
 

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Is really hard find the tiny Italy on the world map... so we were forced, over the centuries, to put a lot of signs around the world written in our language where we were and were can find us ..
But our country is enough large to get attention of others. Despite of this,

Indian Culture has influence on 1/4th of human race.

unfortunately a lot of people copied our alphabet and you're forced to write with that characters and use a language with 70% of words derivate from our language.
And you guys are forced to read and write a language which is derived from Sanskrit: a 5000 year old ancient Indian Language. :hehe:
Anyway you must research how many languages around the world(specially western world were derivates from Sanskrit). :lol:
And boast about Italian culture in west not in India.
You guys have influence on Western culture, we have on yours and many countries in many fields. :D
Italy has one of the lowest rate of murders, robberies and rapes in the western world, however in steadily declining although now 50% is committed by lesser 8% of immigrants.
Italy has lowest in western world, meanwhile India has one of the lowest in whole world.
Much better in percentage but western TV channels report always in numbers. Automatically, expresses their frustration and inferiority complex. :rofl:
 

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So the whole 'Italian mafia' thing is a made up fairytale? and I used to think Italians have no sense of humor. Please accept my apology, you clearly have a fantastic sense of humor :yo:

I want to respond to your condescension but I just can't get myself to be angry at you after seeing waves after waves of muslim migrants entering Italy every day on the news. The muslims will take care of you. Maybe that's why I can't be angry at you because I pity you. It would do your country a whole lot of good if you stopped bickering with 'dirty people' from another continent while yours is being boarded by infiltrators daily. Seems like, your priorities aren't the only things that are messed up.



Btw, you claim that Italy is a shining paragon of law and order and all things nice, but after seeing the following video, people will be increasingly cynical to endorse your claim.


Are you trying to make him feel bad or something? :D

I think you should reserve that pity for yourself. We can circle jerk here about how fucked the euros are, but reality is different.
With over 5 mil foreign migrants in india; india might be more deserving of your pity.


From what I see this migrant crisis will strengthen europe in an ethnic sense, as is already evident all over europe.
Don't think european nationalists are sleeping; they are hard at work on the streets (demonstrations) and on the PCs (propaganda videos.)

Also don't think this migrant crisis is merely a religious issue. The euros don't really have much of an affinity to religion; it doesn't come from the heart for these people.
(The leader of the rus called people from different parts of the world to decide which religion to follow. Yes, for euros religion is a political tool and nothing more. They would switch to islam if they thought it serves their interests better. Btw the rus king chose xtianity when he heard islam doesn't permit alcohol. )

In reality it is a racial issue.
It is because they are a different race that the migrants are being opposed by europeans; religion is only secondary issue.
Yeah, my post is probably not politically correct
:bplease:
 
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But our country is enough large to get attention of others. Despite of this,

Indian Culture has influence on 1/4th of human race.


And you guys are forced to read and write a language which is derived from Sanskrit: a 5000 year old ancient Indian Language. :hehe:
Anyway you must research how many languages around the world(specially western world were derivates from Sanskrit). :lol:
And boast about Italian culture in west not in India.
You guys have influence on Western culture, we have on yours and many countries in many fields. :D

Italy has lowest in western world, meanwhile India has one of the lowest in whole world.
Much better in percentage but western TV channels report always in numbers. Automatically, expresses their frustration and inferiority complex. :rofl:
Sanskrit is old but not exactly the mother of euorpean languages;
Sanskrit is more related to Iranic languages than euro languages.
 

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And frankly why the hell did the courts allow these criminals to go back?
Spineless, is all I can say.
But we have seen enough domestic cases to have predicted these kind of outcomes.
 

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Are you trying to make him feel bad or something? :D
I'm not trying to make him feel bad. I am merely telling the truth. Now, if that truth happens to be bad news for him, then I can't help it. It's purely co-incidental. :yo:

The term 'European nationalists' itself is a misnomer. There might be French, German, Greek, British nationalists groups working in their own country and they happen to be Europeans but using the term 'European nationalists' isn't rooted in factual accuracy, because it gives the impression that there is a group of people who are rallying in the name of pan-Europeanism. This is clearly not the case. Europeans are more divided than ever with Greece wanting to exit, Britan threatening to go its own way, Germany playing hardball, and France doing its own thing as a part of its 'strategic autonomy' doctrine. Clearly only a cynic would call them a pan-European force. The truth is that for pan-Europeanism to survive, regional nationalistic movements have to die down. I don't see that happening. On the contrary, like you said, nationalist groups are gaining momentum. There is a rising sense among nationalists of all flavors that they have been given a raw deal by being part of the EU. If EU as a cohesive unit has to survive, then member states have to give up some of the privileges that come with individualism. If individual nations pursue their own interests, then it will be the end of the EU. The British have intelligently tweak the security paradigm of EU such that they took all the benefits of belonging to a larger group as long as it was beneficial to them, now when the time has come to fulfill their end of commitments (take migrant quotas, for example, or dodging Naval commitments for anti-piracy operations), they are threatening to leave the EU. This has left the other nations in EU enraged. These nations are the ones taking the full onslaught of the African and M.E migration while Britain has no legal commitments despite all of them being part of the same union.

So the British have made it clear that if the EU has to survive, someone else has to 'take one for the team'. I highly doubt that the team would want to stay together if their interests are undermined so brazenly. This is why, Greece is willing to leave, Germany is willing to leave, and we all know what's going on with Scotland.

I disagree with your opinion about a pan-European solidarity emerging while the facts point to a diametrically opposite trend. Keep that pity, you might need it in the future.
 

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