Donald Trump's closest advisor Steve Bannon thinks there will be war with China in the next few year

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Steve Bannon: 'We're going to war in the South China Sea ... no doubt'
Thursday 2 February 2017 03.55 GMTLast modified on Thursday 2 February 2017 15.10 GMT

The United States and China will fight a war within the next 10 years over islands in the South China Sea, and “there’s no doubt about that”. At the same time, the US will be in another “major” war in the Middle East.

Those are the views – nine months ago at least – of one of the most powerful men in Donald Trump’s administration, Steve Bannon, the former head of far-right news website Breitbart who is now chief strategist at the White House.

In the first weeks of Trump’s presidency, Bannon has emerged as a central figure. He was appointed to the “principals committee” of the National Security Council in a highly unusual move and was influential in the recent travel ban on citizens from seven Muslim-majority countries, overruling Department of Homeland Security officials who felt the order did not apply to green card holders.

While many in Trump’s team are outspoken critics of China, in radio shows Bannon hosted for Breitbart he makes plain the two largest threats to America: China and Islam.

“We’re going to war in the South China Sea in five to 10 years,” he said in March 2016. “There’s no doubt about that. They’re taking their sandbars and making basically stationary aircraft carriers and putting missiles on those. They come here to the United States in front of our face – and you understand how important face is – and say it’s an ancient territorial sea.”

China says nearly the entire South China Sea falls within its territory, with half a dozen other countries maintaining partially overlapping claims. China has built a series of artificial islands on reefs and rocks in attempt to bolster its position, complete with military-length airstrips and anti-aircraft weapons.

Bannon’s sentiments and his position in Trump’s inner circle add to fears of a military confrontation with China, after secretary of state Rex Tillerson said that the US would deny China access to the seven artificial islands. Experts warned any blockade would lead to war.

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Bannon is clearly wary of China’s growing clout in Asia and beyond, framing the relationship as entirely adversarial, predicting a global culture clash in the coming years.

“You have an expansionist Islam and you have an expansionist China. Right? They are motivated. They’re arrogant. They’re on the march. And they think the Judeo-Christian west is on the retreat,” Bannon said during a February 2016 radio show.

On the day Trump was inaugurated, China’s military warned that war between the two countries was a real possibility.

“A ‘war within the president’s term’ or ‘war breaking out tonight’ are not just slogans, they are becoming a practical reality,” an official wrote on the website of the People’s Liberation Army.

Aside from conflict between armies, Bannon repeatedly focused on his perception that Christianity around the world is under threat.

In one radio show, used to promote an article incorrectly claiming that a mosque had been built at the North Pole, Bannon focused heavily on China’s oppression of Christian groups.

“The one thing the Chinese fear more than America … they fear Christianity more than anything,” he said.

But China is not the only hotspot Bannon sees, and forecasts another ground war for American troops in the Middle East.

“Some of these situations may get a little unpleasant,” Bannon said in November 2015. “But you know what, we’re in a war. We’re clearly going into, I think, a major shooting war in the Middle East again.”

He also branded Islam as “the most radical” religion in the world, and moved swiftly since entering the White House to enact policies hostile to Muslims. Some have called Trump’s central doctrine a “war on Islam”.

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Trump Impact? China Tests Missile With 10 Nuclear Warheads: Report
World | Press Trust of India | Updated: February 02, 2017 15:32 IST
BEIJING: China has reportedly tested a new version of a missile that can carry up to 10 nuclear warheads, signalling a major shift in its nuclear capability as Beijing gears up for a possible military showdown with the US under the leadership of President Donald Trump.

The flight test of the DF-5C missile was carried out last month using 10 multiple independently targetable re-entry vehicles, or MIRVs, the Washington Free Beacon reported. The test of the inert warheads was monitored closely by US intelligence agencies, said two officials familiar with reports of the missile test.

The Dongfeng-5C missile, carrying 10 dummy warheads, was launched from the Taiyuan Space Launch Centre in Shanxi province, and flew to a desert in western China, the report said.

The missile is a new variant of the DF-5, an intercontinental ballistic missile that first went into service in the early 1980's.

"The [Defence Department] routinely monitors Chinese military developments and accounts for PLA capabilities in our defence plans," Pentagon spokesman Commander Gary Ross was quoted as saying by the report.

For decades, the US has put the estimated number of warheads in China's nuclear arsenal at about 250. But the report suggested that the latest test with 10 warheads meant the actual number could be larger.


China also began adding warheads to older DF-5 missiles in February last year, according to US intelligence agencies. US defence officials have previously warned that China's rapid development of long-range ballistic missiles, coupled with a lack of transparency about its nuclear capabilities, could bring uncertainty to stability in the region.

The timing of the test coincided with the election of Donald Trump as US President who signalled a tougher stance against China over a range of issues, from the trade deficit to Beijing's military build-up in the disputed South China Sea.

Chinese military expert from an institute affiliated with the People's Liberation Army, (PLA) said a new test would not have been aimed at Trump.

"The test of a nuclear missile requires permission from the highest level - the Central Military Commission. It takes at least one year for the military to get the approval and to prepare for it," the Hong Kong-based South China Morning Post quoted unnamed expert as saying.


"It is not a random decision to be made just because Trump is now in office," the expert said.

Although China had made steady progress in nuclear arms development in recent years, the government had no plans to drastically adjust its nuclear policy, the expert said.

Also recent commentaries in the official media here said China is stepping up preparedness for a possible military conflict with US after Trump election.

A commentary in the official website of People's Liberation Army's (PLA) said on January 20 the day Trump assumed Presidency that the chances of war have become "more real" amid a more complex security situation in Asia Pacific.

The commentary written by an official at the national defence mobilisation department in the Central Military Commission, China's overall military high command said the call for a US rebalancing of its strategy in Asia, military deployments in the East and South China Seas and the instillation of a missile defence system in South Korea were hot spots getting closer to ignition.

"A war within the President's term or war breaking out tonight are not just slogans, they are becoming a practical reality," the commentary said.

Recent images purporting to show China's Dongfeng-41 missile have surfaced on Chinese websites with reports suggesting that Beijing has deployed them in Heilongjiang province, which borders Russia.

The missile, with a range of 14,000 km and a payload of 10-12 nuclear warheads, is considered one of the military's most powerful.

Global Times, a state-run tabloid in a recent commentary said the deployment of the DF-41 was a "strategic deterrence tool" and Beijing would "ready itself for pressures imposed by the new US government".
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Looking forward to this................................
If this goes nuclear it will not affect india much as the tibetan plateau will block most of the fallout winds.
 

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World War 3 brews quietly as US-China gears up for military clash with nukes, warmongers: 3 developments
China and the United States of America are apparently quietly gearing up for a military showdown over the South China Sea controversy.
By: FE Online | Updated: February 2, 2017 5:59 PM
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A Chinese flag flanked by US flags. A Chinese military official had said last week that war with the United States under President Donald Trump was becoming “more real”. (Reuters)

Something is not right about the world today. It appears that China and the United States of America are quietly gearing up for a military showdown over the South China Sea controversy and a host of other issues of conflict. US President Donald Trump has been vocal against Chinese policies since his campaign time. And China has also not taken Trump’s verbal attacks silently. At least, not the Chinese media.

Ever since becoming the President, Trump has made his vision for the world clear — that is America first. There are at least three recent developments that show both countries are quietly preparing for a military confrontation. Two nuclear powers engaged in a military conflict is the worst the world can imagine. But, with warmongers and weapons on both sides, all unimaginable things can be possible.

Here are the three recent developments:

1. Chinese military official says war with the US is “becoming a practical reality”

A Chinese military official had said last week that war with the United States under President Donald Trump was becoming “more real”. The official was quoted as saying this on People’s Liberation Army website. South China Morning Post reported on January 27 that China has “stepped up” its preparedness for a military conflict with the US. “‘A war within the president’s term’ or ‘war breaking out tonight’ are not just slogans, they are becoming a practical reality,” it reported the PLA as saying.


In another article, China’s official People’s Daily had said the country would continue military exercises in the “high seas regardless of foreign provocations”.

2. Donald Trump appoints man who advocated war with China to the “principals committee” of National Security Council





























Trump has appointed Steve Bannon to the “principals committee” of the US National Security Council. Bannon is a war hawk. Last year in March, Bannon, who used to run far-right Breitbart news website, had said, “We’re going to war in the South China Sea in five to 10 years.” Not just Bannon, Trump has another war hawk Rex Tillerson as US Secretary of State. Tillerson had recently said that the US would deny China access to the seven artificial islands in South China sea, even as experts warned that any blockade would lead to war.

3. China tests missile that can carry 10 nuclear warheads

China has reportedly tested a new version of a missile that can carry up to 10 nuclear warheads. The DF-5C missile was tested last month using 10 multiple independently targetable reentry vehicles, or MIRVs, a report in the Washington Free Beacon said. The was monitored closely by US intelligence agencies had closely monitored the test of the inert warheads.


The missile test is a proof of a shift in Chinese strategy as it is apparently preparing itself for a war with Trump’s US.

China claims that it owns almost the entire South China Sea. It has also built a series of artificial islands on reefs and rocks in a bid strengthen its position, complete with military length airstrips and anti-aircraft weapons.
http://www.financialexpress.com/wor...-with-nuclear-missile-test-warmongers/535175/
 

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If war happens between china vs usa. Does India have any plans to free Tibet from China. How can it be done with out India getting into open war?
 

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Not surprising at all ......prchina in particular has no right to be surprised as they have been talking about it since before the launch of their J3! fighter which was built with such a war in mind

Question is intensity - i think usa will go for freedom of sea lanes whereas china will compromise for a smaller claim of SCS

If prcchina is willing to go for that compromise, then i guess any war may be like 1962 and last maybe a few weeks at most ....usa will rebuff china to gain freedom of trade sea lanes and china if they accept it and redue their claim will get away with a short war

if it is a long war and both sides want to prolong the war with phases , some active some dormant phases a kind of cold war alternated with hot war then india has to be on guard - there may be both dangers and opportunities as well
 

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If war happens between china vs usa. Does India have any plans to free Tibet from China. How can it be done with out India getting into open war?
I don't think Tibetan resistance is strong enough now for that but I don't know much about it.

Our priority should be to recapture axai chin and mansarovar.
Force China to accept the border defined by us and also accept that India has special interest in Tibet . If Tibetian are ready for freedom so much better if not it should be made a non militarized buffer at the very least.
 

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If war happens between china vs usa. Does India have any plans to free Tibet from China. How can it be done with out India getting into open war?
I don't think Tibetan resistance is strong enough now for that but I don't know much about it.

Our priority should be to recapture axai chin and mansarovar.
Force China to accept the border defined by us and also accept that India has special interest in Tibet . If Tibetian are ready for freedom so much better if not it should be made a non militarized buffer at the very least.
Forget Tibet ...... instead forge the new relationship with the usa and looby the world to tell the usa that you built China up from nothing to a super power and now it is you duty to take them down and you, usa , face up to the costs of doing so because it will cost a lot more to leave this growing menace alone and allowed to keep growing more and more powerful

NOW is that time to act an TRUMP has come in a the last possible moment ...another 4 years of clinton type friendship with china and would have been all over

make usa realise that if they do not take china on pretty soon then china will surpass the usa in EVERY area and that will be it

we are soon passing the point of no return as regards, chinas growth potential

if we cant do that then it is over , if we CAN then the rest is downhill , easy

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This is just talk, the US couldn't even put a no fly zone over Syria and they want to do something to Iran which is far stronger? LOL

At the most they would carry out an aerial strike, but the Iranians can strike back too and not just in military ways (won't elaborate).

The US hit its prime as an imperial power in the 2000s when it invaded Iraq and Afghanistan bypassing the UN in the case of the former.

In the 2010s it has failed to carry out "nation building" Libya i.e. invading it, occupying it and then installing a US-sponsored regime as per Iraq and Afghanistan.

Then in 2013 it failed to put a no fly zone over Syria and failed to remove Assad.

Russia, Iran and China are all far stronger than the likes of little Libya or Syria and these 3 have their backs covered because they know the US is a brutal, genocidal state and a maglomaniac, so if 1 of these big 3 (Russia, China, Iran) fall they are all weakened.

The US knows it has passed the apogee of its power as an empire and is now going through the inevitable "demise of empire" phase, hence Trump saying in his inauguration speech how the US will put itself first and its economic needs and stop funding other states and their defence i.e. he is withdrawing the US presence from parts of the globe.

Just hot air by the Trump boys, nothing will happen and if it did then it would result in a worse US humiliation than:

- Vietnam
- Cuba (bay of pigs)
- Somalia (blackhawk down)
- Korea
- Lebanon 1982 etc etc.
 
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The US knows it has passed the apogee of its power as an empire and is now going through the inevitable "demise of empire" phase, hence Trump saying in his inauguration speech how the US will put itself first and its economic needs and stop funding other states and their defence i.e. he is withdrawing the US presence from parts of the globe.
USA is still a generation ahead of china . By2030 china might overtake it in GDP output still USA will be more prosperous society. China Can't match US military by 2040 forget about others.

USA is more resilient demographically while china will get old before it gets powerful.

Your USA demise dream might come true in maybe next century:bounce:

Meanwhile Russia is a basket case economically. And Iran is cursed to be a shia state among Sunni neighbors:biggrin2:

The examples you listed USA didn't even used an ounce of its power for variety of reasons.

Forget Tibet ...... instead forge the new relationship with the usa and looby the world to tell the usa that you built China up from nothing to a super power and now it is you duty to take them down and you, usa , face up to the costs of doing so because it will cost a lot more to leave this growing menace alone and allowed to keep growing more and more powerful

NOW is that time to act an TRUMP has come in a the last possible moment ...another 4 years of clinton type friendship with china and would have been all over

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we are soon passing the point of no return as regards, chinas growth potential

if we cant do that then it is over , if we CAN then the rest is downhill , easy

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USA realises that now it's late USA can't punish china without hurting itself. Still USA can invigorate alliance with NATO and India Japan and comfortably bring china to its knees for the entire century.

If it goes alone china will have upper hand by 2050.

That is what Trump should keep in mind.

Chinese growth will hit many hurdles now.
It is loosing manufacturing faster than it anticipated. Automation and Trump will ensure china will have lesser new jobs per year. Millions of unemployed youth will run riot in commie land . Tienman 2 is just around the corner.

It takes 6$ today in china to create 1$ of growth. This is a disaster. Economies depending upon china are already scrwed Brazil Venezuela mangolia are devastated by slowing chinese growth.

China could still grow but the speed is gone and growth will be jobless.

Let's not bank upon Chinese dream untill CCP is there. Only if china succeed in peaceful democratic transition it stands a chance to evolve otherwise it is bound to doom .
 

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USA is still a generation ahead of china . By2030 china might overtake it in GDP output still USA will be more prosperous society. China Can't match US military by 2040 forget about others.

USA is more resilient demographically while china will get old before it gets powerful.

Your USA demise dream might come true in maybe next century:bounce:

Meanwhile Russia is a basket case economically. And Iran is cursed to be a shia state among Sunni neighbors:biggrin2:

The examples you listed USA didn't even used an ounce of its power for variety of reasons.
1. In military conflict the advantage lies with the defender not the aggressor. In a war that the US would start against China either on its territory or in its regional waters the advantage would lie with China.

China does not have to be the military, political or economic equivalent of the US to deter US aggression in the same way Cuba next door is not that powerful but is sufficiently strong so that the Americans have never invaded it.

2. No one is saying America is weak or its demise is imminent. What I am saying is it hit its peak in the 2000s but it has passed that and it will be downhill from now. The British have lost their empire and are a shadow of their former selves but are still an important state internationally.

3. Russia smashed US-backed Georgia in 2008 with Shakashvili falsely believing the US would back him. They through their proxies control Abkhazia, South Georgia to this day.

They annexed Crimea whilst the US just watched powerless and have created a statelet in the Donbas.

They have more nuclear missiles in the world and stopped the US from doing a "regime change" invasion in Syria and stopped a US no-fly zone over Syria.

They are now focusing on setting up a Russian naval base in Libya, Bengazi, with the agreement of one Libyan faction leader, Khalefa Heftar.

4. Iran gave the Americans a bloody nose after the revolution including the downing of a US helicopter. They have also arrested American soldiers and sailors at times and shot down US drones.

They are no Iraq or Syria and have enough ballistic inventory to wipe out every US base 500km away from Iran in case an attack (which won't happen) took place.


The US is the biggest power on earth, politically, militarily, economically etc, it's far stronger than China, Russia or Iran but it can't invade them just as it couldn't defeat the Vietcong.

:)

P.S. China this week said any conflict in the south China sea would result in nuclear war and Flynn has toned down some of Tillerson's original bellicose rhetoric on China e.g. preventing Chinese access to their south China sea islands. ;-)
 

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1. In military conflict the advantage lies with the defender not the aggressor. In a war that the US would start against China either on its territory or in its regional waters the advantage would lie with China.

China does not have to be the military, political or economic equivalent of the US to deter US aggression in the same way Cuba next door is not that powerful but is sufficiently strong so that the Americans have never invaded it.

2. No one is saying America is weak or its demise is imminent. What I am saying is it hit its peak in the 2000s but it has passed that and it will be downhill from now. The British have lost their empire and are a shadow of their former selves but are still an important state internationally.

3. Russia smashed US-backed Georgia in 2008 with Shakashvili falsely believing the US would back him. They through their proxies control Abkhazia, South Georgia to this day.

They annexed Crimea whilst the US just watched powerless and have created a statelet in the Donbas.

They have more nuclear missiles in the world and stopped the US from doing a "regime change" invasion in Syria and stopped a US no-fly zone over Syria.

They are now focusing on setting up a Russian naval base in Libya, Bengazi, with the agreement of one Libyan faction leader, Khalefa Heftar.

4. Iran gave the Americans a bloody nose after the revolution including the downing of a US helicopter. They have also arrested American soldiers and sailors at times and shot down US drones.

They are no Iraq or Syria and have enough ballistic inventory to wipe out every US base 500km away from Iran in case an attack (which won't happen) took place.


The US is the biggest power on earth, politically, militarily, economically etc, it's far stronger than China, Russia or Iran but it can't invade them just as it couldn't defeat the Vietcong.

:)

P.S. China this week said any conflict in the south China sea would result in nuclear war and Flynn has toned down some of Tillerson's original bellicose rhetoric on China e.g. preventing Chinese access to their south China sea islands. ;-)
Refuting you point to point would take a very long post so instead I am dropping some general counter points.

1. Chinese navy and airforce can last few days in all out conflict.
2. After Iraq and Afghanistan it is internal resistance by people which has stopped American intervention abroad not anything else.
3. US had nothing to gain by attacking Cuba or jumping in cremia or Georgia.
With SCS it won't interfere for Philippines sake the game here is about putting china in its place for a decade or two.
4. American empire is not comparable to British . America relies on strength of allies. Barring Russia and China every other powerful nation on earth is staunch American ally .
5 since 2000 American economy is only growing. Demography is sound for future growth too while Russia and China both will be too damn old.
6. Iran china can't use ballistic missile against American bases. A Chinese strike on us base in Japan will drag Japan into war and result would be even more disastrous an humiliating for china.

Yes usa failed many places because is got entangled into regime change and territory holding in which everyone eventually fails.
If they would simply bomb and go back they will have 100% success rate.

Now conclude for yourself.
 

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Wonderful. Weakening China is clearly in India's medium term interests. We should use the opportunity to liberate PoK.

The tests show just how rattled the Finish are. They can test all the nuke they want, they will never use them in a real war just as Pak never would.

China free by expolitin the US-USSR rivalry. Now, the US and Russians should set aside their differences to take care of the IS and other Islamic extremists along with putting China in its place.

We just need to stay out and use the situation to our advantage, well initially anyway.
 

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