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In some Harappan seals we have a symbol that looks like spoke wheel. Any idea what it actually is as per scholars?
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I recently looked into ancestry reports of 3 Indians as per 23and Me

South Indian girl
Dark brown skin
100% South Asian
With 16% North indian and central Asian ancestry

Gujarati Boy
Light brown skin
100% South Asian
Zero central Asian ancestry
Y haplogroup C-M130

Punjabi Boy
Fair skin
100% South Asian
99% North indian- Pakistani ancestry
Y haplogroup R-Y7

For some odd reason they show it as 100% South Asian but when they sub divide it they branch it into

Central Asian-North Indian- Pakistani
South and central India.

How would you interpret it?
 

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How many languages did the Harappan spoke?

It's hard to digest that they only spoke proto Dravidian when the people themselves were in regular touch with people of Mesopotamia and those in BMAC and steppe.

Could these 600 odd symbols represents various scripts instead of one script.

Have any research been done into this aspect?

Since horses were so important could their ownership was kept secret by the people in order to have an upper hand 🙄 Unlikely I guess.
 

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Just for laugh

Harappan most likely looked like that Gujarati fellow.

When Harappans moved South and mixed with hunter gatherers who were most likely African looking became like South Indians.

Those who remained in North or moved east into the gangetic plains mixed up with the Sakas, Parathians, Kushanas, Hunas and later Turkmen Pashtuns who were and are in all likely hood of part South Asian ancestry started looking like that Punjabi fellow with R-Y7

😄
 

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Just for laugh

Harappan most likely looked like that Gujarati fellow.

When Harappans moved South and mixed with hunter gatherers who were most likely African looking became like South Indians.

Those who remained in North or moved east into the gangetic plains mixed up with the Sakas, Parathians, Kushanas, Hunas and later Turkmen Pashtuns who were and are in all likely hood of part South Asian ancestry started looking like that Punjabi fellow with R-Y7

😄
Or may be astroloid looking 😑 or may be not
Scientific race theory is long back discredited.
 

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Vedic-Sapta
Avestan-Hapta
Mittani-Satta
Kashmiri-Sath
Hindi-Sat

Mittani was neither Indo-Iranian nor Iranian.
In fact it wasn't even Vedic.
It was post Vedic Prakrit which still retained features from Vedic.

Now Mittani presence is documented in Syria to 1750bce
Andronovo and BMAC who were distinct from Yamnaya were still Indo-Iranian at that age as per the migration theorist.

These 2 contradict each other and that is why these scholars are trying to claim that Mittani were Indo Iranians and not Indo Aryans which is an obvious lie.

This changes the whole CHRONOLOGY.

Rig Veda predates 2000 bce which coincides with horse evidences from sapta-sindhu region between 2400bce-1700bce and also fits well with the mighty Saraswati river.

Now we need to date battle of ten kings. Did it happen before saraswati dried up or after it.

In 1750bce one of the Vedic clans arrived in Syria and by 1500bce they became the ruling class of Mittani and worshiped Vedic dieties (only 4 of the many)

Mi-it-ra-as-si-il
A-ru-na-as-si-il
In-da-ra
Na-sa-at-ti-ya-an-na
 

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Through the Mittanis and later through the Iranians linguistic culture of the Vedas was transmitted into the Balto-Slavic regions.

Those people who think Aryans were Europeans must note this;

European languages are supposed to have spread through Yamnaya people who were a very distinct group from the Southern steppes of Central Asia who were part South Asian based on the Harappan ancestry and archaeological culture of Harappans found in BMAC.

In terms of distance:
Northern most settlements of Harappans (Shortugai) was right on the border of Central Asia.

BMAC people were barely few hundred kilometres North of it. Compare that to Lothal and Dholavera which were at least 2000 kilometres South of shortugai.
 

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Even today among the Kurds you will find <5% among Persians <10% among Pashtuns as high as 45% and among Tajiks <10% South Asian ancestry.

All these regions were once inhabited by people who once spoke an Indo-Aryan language and followed the Vedic culture.

In all possibility West Asians from Caucasus and western Iran/Iraq then infiltrated into these regions and changed the genetics of the region.
 

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Why are Cows, Camels, Donkeys and Lions missing from Harappan animal motifs and seals?

Were there no lions and wild asses in Gujarat where Harappans were settled?

Where there no camels in deserts of Rajasthan where also Harappans were settled?

Harappans were among the earliest to consume white cottage cheese. From whose milk was it prepared? Since cows too are missing from the Animal motifs and seals of Harappans.

Asses Cows Camels and Lions are all mentioned in Vedas. Did the Aryans brought them too to India from Eurosian steppes thousands of kilometres North just like their Horse 😂

Seriously these scholars are too much 😂
 

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Haplogroup test are useless when u look at it more deeply.
Some 30 to 40 haplogroup define the races.

A test was conducted within the family and two brothers showed different concentration of haplogroup.
So far haplogroup have only been successful in clustering the races on a graph
 

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Haplogroup test are useless when u look at it more deeply.
Some 30 to 40 haplogroup define the races.

A test was conducted within the family and two brothers showed different concentration of haplogroup.
So far haplogroup have only been successful in clustering the races on a graph
That must be why I and my brother look very different which is also visible among my mother and her sister and my father and his direct siblings and same with the grand parents.
 

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