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How about compiling all data about Indo-European migration cultures and genetic studies at one place and discussing about it?


I was looking into it but lacking important data points.

Yamnya culture is important for the spread of IE languages in Europe.

BMAC (2250-1200 bce) was proposed to be Aryan culture but turns out it was a civilization and not some band of Nomadic pastrolists which Vedic people were. Plus the region is throwing up South Asian genetics in the ancient population.

Andronovo culture were nomadic, had chariots and existed between (2000-900 bce). No clarity on who these people were but after them Scythians appear in this region with chariots and Iranic language.

Mittani are the closest to Vedic people. They had chariots, their names and language is of Indo-Aryan character and they were present in Syria around 1800 bce and carved an empire for themselves by 1600 bce.

Now merge these timelines.

1200 bce BMAC disappears from central Asia. If they entered South Asia after that as nomads they can't compose hymns of high and mighty river that dried by 1800 bce. Though these people abandoned their cities because their major river changed course. If Vedic people were their descendants were they talking about their river. Highly unlikely.

Scythians were clearly Iranic in origin from the steppe but there appearance in South Asia is pretty late so they can't be the composers of Vedas and Vedic Sanskrit.

Andronovians can't be Vedic or Proto Vedic because a) geography doesn't make sense b) already by 1800 there is an Indo-Aryan presence in Syria.

Possible Chronology of II Languages:
Oldest to youngest

Vedic-Avestan-old Persian-Mittani

Mittani were so close to Europe that they could have transmitted some of their cultural traits into Europe. Plus Vedic people talk about Devas and Asuras. Asuras could possible be traced to Assyrians and the capital Ashur.

Kurds are from this region and many in their ancestry tests as showing some South Asian component. Could be gypsy or they could be West ward indo-Aryan immigrants or Worst case scenario slaves from South Asia.

They were competitors of Assyrians who had fortified cities and forts. Devas were in constant war with Asuras (Ashur).

Could it be the ancient memory that gets mentioned in Rig Veda. Can't say-Could be.
 
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Means these culture developed independently instead of previous theory of it being brought by African migrants? Right?


Also recent studies indicate that pre and post toba people were same while it was previously believed that most of the humans in Sub-continent didn't survive the event.

Does that mean post toba population then mixed with new African immigrants post 65000 BP
 

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Means these culture developed independently instead of previous theory of it being brought by African migrants? Right?


Also recent studies indicate that pre and post toba people were same while it was previously believed that most of the humans in Sub-continent didn't survive the event.

Does that mean post toba population then mixed with new African immigrants post 65000 BP
Homo erectus appear in record approx 20 lakh years bp became extinct around 600k years ago. Homo sapiens occupy 150k years before present to today. Now they found this place in Tamil Nadu where they found 350k years before present tools. They claim modern men came into BHARAT 85k years before present.

Then who was making this tools? This is an ongoing research viz Archaeological Survey of BHARAT. The tools below are precision tools and are found in Tamil Nadu. Homo erectus brain was not developed to build this no way. This is precision tools associated with larger cranial capacity.

DHARMA Triumph105.JPG


Then they discovered this initally thought it was Homo erectus skull then they measured the capacity and concluded its upto 2421 cubic cm which is right where modern Homo sapiens cranial capacity is.

DHARMA Triumph51.JPG


Then you have this.

DHARMA Triumph15.JPG
 

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Wait Wait!

Does that imply Human (Homo sapien) presence in India outdates those in Africa? Has it been identified who made these tools?

I read somewhere that new studies reveal Neanderthals were far more intelligent than previously thought.
 

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Homo erectus appear in record approx 20 lakh years bp became extinct around 600k years ago. Homo sapiens occupy 150k years before present to today. Now they found this place in Tamil Nadu where they found 350k years before present tools. They claim modern men came into BHARAT 85k years before present.

Then who was making this tools? This is an ongoing research viz Archaeological Survey of BHARAT. The tools below are precision tools and are found in Tamil Nadu. Homo erectus brain was not developed to build this no way. This is precision tools associated with larger cranial capacity.

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Then they discovered this initally thought it was Homo erectus skull then they measured the capacity and concluded its upto 2421 cubic cm which is right where modern Homo sapiens cranial capacity is.

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Then you have this.

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We certainly are older than what the academics tell us.
AFAIK excavations from Dwarka have artifact's dating back to 3000 years.
 

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* Explorations yielded structures such as bastions, walls, pillars and triangular and rectangular stone anchors.



* A semi-spherical single-hole stone which might be the base for flagpost.



* L-shaped edges of stones for proper grip and arresting wave action on bastions.



* Seals, inscriptions, which have been dated to 1500 BC.



* Pottery, which have been dated to 3528 BC.



* Stone sculptures, terracotta beads, bronze, copper and iron objects.




 

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Wait Wait!

Does that imply Human (Homo sapien) presence in India outdates those in Africa? Has it been identified who made these tools?

I read somewhere that new studies reveal Neanderthals were far more intelligent than previously thought.
JWALAPURAM is 35k years before present or earlier modern human Homo sapien presence.
 
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* Explorations yielded structures such as bastions, walls, pillars and triangular and rectangular stone anchors.



* A semi-spherical single-hole stone which might be the base for flagpost.



* L-shaped edges of stones for proper grip and arresting wave action on bastions.



* Seals, inscriptions, which have been dated to 1500 BC.



* Pottery, which have been dated to 3528 BC.



* Stone sculptures, terracotta beads, bronze, copper and iron objects.




Now going by Hindu theology, Satyug came before this. So Ram Setu should be even older.
 

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* Explorations yielded structures such as bastions, walls, pillars and triangular and rectangular stone anchors.



* A semi-spherical single-hole stone which might be the base for flagpost.



* L-shaped edges of stones for proper grip and arresting wave action on bastions.



* Seals, inscriptions, which have been dated to 1500 BC.



* Pottery, which have been dated to 3528 BC.



* Stone sculptures, terracotta beads, bronze, copper and iron objects.




The piece of this carbonized wood 30cm X 15cm in dimensions was recovered in the sand slit zones in those alluvial facies and showed a calibrated age of 9.9k plus years before present in DWARKA excavations.
 

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What happened with sanauli dig. Can't find any new data on it 😣
Shri Neeraj Rai's upcoming legendary papers has over 10k samples on horse. The paper taking time because sampling size is very big. Wait for it.

There are six different breeds of horses in BHARAT, viz., Marwari, Kathiawari, Manipuri, Zanskari, Bhutia, and Spiti.

Nevertheless the 2013 study by KSHETRIMAYUM MIRANDA DEVI and SANKAR KUMAR GHOSH covered 59 Indian horse samples which carried 35 haplotypes constituting a high index of genetic diversity in the world. The study identified seven major mtdna haplogroups (A-g0 in the Indian horse breeds. Of these haplogroups, haplogroup D accounted for 33% of BHARTIYA horse breeds. The remarkable conclusion of the study is that Manipuri horse showed closest affinity with the various Indian horse breeds as well as the Thoroughbred horse.
 

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* Explorations yielded structures such as bastions, walls, pillars and triangular and rectangular stone anchors.



* A semi-spherical single-hole stone which might be the base for flagpost.



* L-shaped edges of stones for proper grip and arresting wave action on bastions.



* Seals, inscriptions, which have been dated to 1500 BC.



* Pottery, which have been dated to 3528 BC.



* Stone sculptures, terracotta beads, bronze, copper and iron objects.




In west coast of India there are multiple marine archeology sites. One of them is west of present day Dwaraka . All the pictures you posted are from those sites.

Apart from these sites, there are few sites in the Gulf of Khambhat (also called as Gulf of Cambay ). I remember Graham Hancock saying that sites at Gulf of Cambay are as large as Manhattan in area and these sites are dated around 9000 years old. Some people identify Gulf of Cambay as ancient Dwaraka while the others identify the site west of present day Dwaraka as ancient dwaraka.
 

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They were hijacked by Christian Missionaries and since DMK is in power, they will try to destroy the evidence
Are saar the dmk wallas are jumping higher and higher.
Dig deeper and one will find these type of places almost anywhere.
The ASI should take control of it.
 

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