DF-21D Anti-Ship Ballistic Missile

[neo29]

Kunalji .. some doubts. Can Barak 8 intercept China's ASBM ?? Can deploying India's Ballistic missile defence covering the IOR work ??

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Kunalji .. some doubts. Can Barak 8 intercept China's ASBM ?? Can deploying India's Ballistic missile defence covering the IOR work ??

No, ASBM trajectory is coming from space more than hypersonic speed which can be only deterred by having dedicated ABM system on board, i have mentioned this in brief in previous pages, We need to create new class of ships for this role or we have to modify present ship hull to have this system, the system can be import or we have to install our own ABM in new class of ships..

 

[LETHALFORCE]

Japan and Taiwan both have their own carrier killers so the threat is greater to Chinese carriers then US carriers.

http://newsodrome.com/military_news/japan-s-carrier-killing-missile-to-deter-china-17269241

 

[sayareakd]

technically whole of China is within US range, therefore a fear of carrier killer is not much of issue with US Navy, they can retaliate in kind against any attack, more so when the US has tech to target Satellite from there ship, therefore this threat is not much against them.

BTW this is more of shouting for more funds from congress, nothing else.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

If China plans to use a NUCLEAR warhead on the DF-21D then US will reply with nukes, any missile with a nuclear warhead can take out a aircraft carrier same can be done with cruise missiles.

 

[neo29]

If China plans to use a NUCLEAR warhead on the DF-21D then US will reply with nukes, any missile with a nuclear warhead can take out a aircraft carrier same can be done with cruise missiles.

Why will they use Nukes to take out a carrier, a conventional warhead will do the job.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

China needs 'carrier-killer' missile

China needs 'carrier-killer' missile: press

China needs a "carrier-killer" missile deterrent as a counter-balance to US naval supremacy in the Pacific, the state-controlled press said Monday.
"China undoubtedly needs to build a highly credible anti-carrier capability," the Global Times said in an editorial.

"Not only does China need an anti-ship ballistic missile, but also other carrier-killing measures," added the paper, which is published by the People's Daily, print mouthpiece of the ruling Communist Party.

"Since US aircraft carrier battle groups in the Pacific constitute deterrence against China's strategic interests, China has to possess the capacity to counterbalance," it said.

US military analysts have warned China is developing a new version of its Dongfeng 21 missile that could pierce the defences of even the most sturdy US naval vessels and has a range of 20,000 kilometres (12,400 miles) -- far beyond Chinese waters.

Washington has expressed rising concern over China's military intentions following a string of double-digit increases in Chinese military spending and a rapid modernisation of its armed forces.

China has bristled at the idea of a US aircraft carrier group patrolling waters near its coast and has voiced opposition to the US dispatching such vessels during ongoing joint military exercises with South Korea.

The US Defence Department last month said China had continued building up its military strength in the Taiwan Strait despite better ties with the China-friendly government in Taipei, which took power in 2008.

The Pentagon said Beijing was ramping up investment in a range of areas including nuclear weapons, long-range missiles, submarines, aircraft carriers and cyber warfare.

Many analysts say China's military build-up is aimed primarily at winning a possible war with the United States over Taiwan. Beijing claims the self-ruled island as its own territory.

China has rejected the concerns, saying its military upgrading was aimed merely at self-defence and that the country's armed forces posed no threat to any other countries

 

[Daredevil]

China needs 'carrier-killer' missile: press

US military analysts have warned China is developing a new version of its Dongfeng 21 missile that could pierce the defences of even the most sturdy US naval vessels and has a range of 20,000 kilometres (12,400 miles) -- far beyond Chinese waters.

Such long-range missile are useful against fixed targets but useless against moving targets like air-craft carriers. What they need is attack Submarines which run silent and deep but they woefully lack such sophisticated technology.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

China Steps Up Anti-Carrier Missile Tests

China Steps Up Anti-Carrier Missile Tests ​

OKYO - China is stepping up efforts to deploy a "carrier-killer" missile system, the commander of the U.S. Pacific Command has said in an interview with a Japanese newspaper, published Dec. 28.

"The anti-ship ballistic missile system in China has undergone extensive testing," Adm. Robert Willard told the Asahi Shimbun in Honolulu, according to a transcript of the interview on its website.

Willard said China appeared to have achieved "initial operational capability" but it would take "several more years" before fully deploying the system.
U.S. military analysts have warned China is developing a new version of its Dongfeng 21 missile that could pierce the defenses of even the most sturdy U.S. naval vessels and has a range far beyond Chinese waters.
Washington has expressed rising concern over China's military intentions after a string of double-digit increases in Chinese military spending and the rapid modernization of its armed forces.
In the interview, Willard also said China aims to become a global military power by extending its influence beyond its regional waters.

http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?i=5327852&c=ASI&s=AIR

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[sandeepdg]

China flexes muscles, readies aircraft carrier-killer missile

BEIJING: China's ambitious new long range ballistic missile with a range of 2,700 km dubbed as carrier-killer is undergoing tests, a top military official has said. Chen Bingde, chief of the PLA general staff acknowledged China is developing Dongfeng-21D with an ability to strike moving targets — including aircraft carriers — at sea.

"The missile is still undergoing experimental testing and will be used as a defencive weapon when it is successfully developed, not an offensive one," Chen was quoted as saying which coincided with his meeting with Mike Mullen, chairman of US joint chiefs of staff, on Monday. "It is a high-tech weapon and we face many difficulties in getting funding, advanced technologies and high-quality personnel, which are all underlying reasons why it is hard to develop this," he said. The development of the missile caused considerable worry in US as it was believed to have been developed to target aircraft carriers. Chen also said the first Chinese aircraft carrier, Varyag a refurbished version of an old Ukrainian ship will be used for research.

"I have nothing more to say about Chinese aircraft carriers, since prominent media outlets have already reported on them so much. Our American friends all know that China bought an old aircraft carrier, the Varyag, from Ukraine.

It's very valuable for us to research things this way," he said.

China flexes muscles, readies aircraft carrier-killer missile - The Times of India

 

[asianobserve]

This kind of weapon that China is now toying with in a desperate attempt to neutralize US' supriority in the Pacific/South China Sea and deter India's emerging naval power can easily be confused as a nuclear armed ballistic missile. The flight path is dangerously similar.

 

[Rick]

This kind of weapon that China is now toying with in a desperate attempt to neutralize US' supriority in the Pacific/South China Sea and deter India's emerging naval power can easily be confused as a nuclear armed ballistic missile. The flight path is dangerously similar.

Due to China's none first use of nuclear weapon policy and expectations that China will not launch a nuclear strike on US military forces at first with it's small nuclear weapon reserve. I don't think US will do a nuclear preemptive strike without confirm the attack is nuclear.Even there is a war still there is many diferences between nuclear war and conventional war.And Chinese nuclear arsenal is for counter strike only due to its small size.If we throw all our nukes at the first time then what we can get?Not like American we can't launch sevral waves of nuclear strikes, we know it and I think Americans know it as well.Even US really do a nuclear preemptive strike before our missle hit their AC,then that just prove that the Yanks just determine to nuke us,in that hypothesis no matter we own the AC killer missile or not Americans will find another excuse to nuke us,so what's the difference?
Besides US has modified several of their Ohio class submarine to carry Tomahawk cruise missles,but any missle launched from these SSBNs will be considered very likely carry a nuclear warhead no matter what kind of the flight path it has ,isn't it?

 

[Yusuf]

I really dont know how this missile will be effective at the range stated at over 2000kms against a carrier moving at 30 knots whose carrier group can take care of any BMs using Aegis?

 

[Rick]

I really dont know how this missile will be effective at the range stated at over 2000kms against a carrier moving at 30 knots whose carrier group can take care of any BMs using Aegis?

Currently the Americans are sort of worry about this weapon.And so the purpose of it can be said sort of well served.May be it is not about whether this carrier killer is really that mighty (no one can tell until it sunk one carrier or be shot down by the Aegis desdroyer),but about to make your enemy think twice before they make the move.Isn't nuclear weapons the same? Using it has so many side effects,but owning it will bring sort of power balance.And I think our carrier killer is the same kind of thing.If American can confirm it is nothing but a piece of junk then why the medias bother about it all the time?On the other hand,no one can prove how good it is,as well.Keeping the American military force or any hostile forces out of the region of our interests is the purpose, but not to sink the certain carrieries."不战而屈人之兵， 善之善者也",The best way is to subduing the enemy without fighting.So that's the art of war our ancestors told us.

 

[pankaj nema]

USA NATO are preparing for DECAPITATION STRIKES which is a further a step ahead of Shock and Awe

According to Ria Novosti West will have 80000 Yes ;Eighty Thousand Cruise mssiles in a decade

Technological progress and developments in both offensive and defensive systems will continue By all countries

Similarly with better ISR platforms like AWACS , Drones and Satellites it will not be difficult to know the presence of the enemy ships and other assets

Then it all comes down to who fires the FIRST SHOT

 

[Yusuf]

Rick, you know what? American Generals are known for fear mongering so that Congress gives them more $$$. what you are going to do with this supposed carrier killer is make the US actually come up with a counter which will kill your dreams in South China Sea.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

Chinese have never proven or given details about any of their propaganda weapons like the satellite killer, why would they start now with this weapon??? The reply to this weapon by USA will be more than disproportionate. Until Chinese can demonstrate how they converted a ballistic missile that always goes in the upper atmosphere into a low flying carrier killer this is just propaganda probably created by US navy for more funding.

 

[tony4562]

Rick, you know what? American Generals are known for fear mongering so that Congress gives them more $$$. what you are going to do with this supposed carrier killer is make the US actually come up with a counter which will kill your dreams in South China Sea.

Time has changed, have you been following the on-going budget battle? It is diffciult for the Pentagon to request an extra penny nowdays, let along the tens of billions and potentially hundreds of billions of dollars needed to implement a fail-safe anti ASBM system. US is caught in a dillemma, because unlike the soviet union china does not seek parity with america. Any investment china is putting in the purported ASBM is probably quite limited, say a few billion dollars. In line with China's nuk arsenal which has not expanded for decades, China only aims to achieve a minimum deterrence. But unfortunately for US any counter measure is bound to cost a lot more.

 

[Rick]

Rick, you know what? American Generals are known for fear mongering so that Congress gives them more $$$. what you are going to do with this supposed carrier killer is make the US actually come up with a counter which will kill your dreams in South China Sea.

You are right, fear may make Americans put more money in their military forces,and maybe we have to face a stronger US military force at last.But if we stand down and do nothing, Americans will not back off they will be more aggressive that's the way they are.So I think do something that we can afford is the best we can do.Which means develop the carrier killer but not to build some ten AC taskforce to catch up Americans for now.

And for the propaganda weapons question,even if the weapons are only a propaganda,it still has a good cost performance.After all we use some so called propaganda weapons to keep us safe from American invasions for 60 years,and what we spent on them absolutely are much cheaper than the US AC task forces.By using the peace that we earned we made it to the world's second economy,it's very good deal.Again this is the art of war of Chinese.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

This is more than coincidental that US releases this when Raytheon is testing SM-6

USA: Raytheon to Test SM-3, SM-6 Missiles >> Naval Today

Raytheon to Test SM-3, SM-6 Missiles

Raytheon Company's Missile Systems business broke ground for an all-up-round Standard Missile production facility in Huntsville, Ala. Raytheon will construct the state-of-the-art factory on the U.S. Army's Redstone Arsenal site.

When completed, the facility will provide final assembly and testing for Raytheon's SM-3 and SM-6 missiles.

"This new factory will enable us to provide our Missile Defense Agency and U.S. Navy customers with even greater capability," said Dr. Taylor W. Lawrence, Raytheon Missile Systems president. "Raytheon's SM-3 is the centerpiece of the nation's new missile defense strategy in Europe, and SM-6 will give the U.S. Navy a new, much-needed weapon system."

The 70,000 square-foot production facility will be constructed in two phases; each phase will be tied to SM-3 and SM-6 production contracts.

"This new Raytheon factory means more jobs for Alabama and is a clear demonstration of Raytheon's strong partnership with the state," said Sen. Richard Shelby of Alabama. "Raytheon continues to be an important piece of Alabama's economic picture."

SM-3 is being developed as part of the MDA's sea-based Aegis Ballistic Missile Defense system. The missiles are deployed on U.S. Navy cruisers and destroyers and Japanese destroyers to defend against short- to intermediate-range ballistic missile threats in the ascent and midcourse phases of flight.

SM-6 is an extended range anti-air warfare missile. Fired from navy ships, SM-6 provides capabilities against fixed- and rotary-wing aircraft, unmanned aerial vehicles and cruise missiles.

Raytheon Company, with 2010 sales of $25 billion, is a technology and innovation leader specializing in defense, homeland security and other government markets throughout the world. With a history of innovation spanning 89 years, Raytheon provides state-of-the-art electronics, mission systems integration and other capabilities in the areas of sensing; effects; and command, control, communications and intelligence systems, as well as a broad range of mission support services. With headquarters in Waltham, Mass., Raytheon employs 72,000 people worldwide.