Dalai Lama blames suicide protests on Chinese 'cultural genocide'

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Peoples daily, yes, global times, yes. But to say that all chinese media is mouthpieces of CCP?
If some indian newspaper is crap, does it means every indian newspaper is crap? Try to have some common sense and basic logic first before you post something.

Are you suggesting People Daily and Global Times are crap?

I don't think a communist Chinese can hector about logic or common sense because they have mortgaged their brains to the CCP and have forgotten as to what that means!

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Is there any privately run newspaper or TV channel in China and which is not under govt control?

Even foreign media is under Govt diktats in China. Heard about Google?

So, please think as to who lacks common sense and logic!

No idea of being a Rip Van Winkle!
 
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Forward Policy means creating defence on the border.

That is exactly what is being done!
you are right excpet one thing: this defence is requiring to throw chinese soldiers out of their border post first. You must have a new definition of "defence".


The Chinese media cannot publish anything that is not approved. Hence, it is taken as having official sanction.

About not negotiating is not what I have said. It is the stand that has been taken by the NSA, Shiv Shankar Menon!

He has taken a hard line and that is why India is appearing no longer keen to please China.
No, it is china that kept requiring a deplomatic negotiation to settle the border in last 50s, which was rejected by Nehru again and again beacuase "there is no dispute there". And later, he just found he need to send indian solider instead of deplomatic officer to solve the "dispute".
 

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you are right excpet one thing: this defence is requiring to throw chinese soldiers out of their border post first. You must have a new definition of "defence".
I find that you have no idea of the military connotation 'defence'.

How can some one in defence works throw out anyone unless they are attacked.

Please learn something about warfare and not come out with weird stuff that defies imagination!

Yes, everything that can be seen is of China and so accept that and that is negotiation!




No, it is china that kept requiring a deplomatic negotiation to settle the border in last 50s, which was rejected by Nehru again and again beacuase "there is no dispute there". And later, he just found he need to send indian solider instead of deplomatic officer to solve the "dispute".
Of course, China is all things nice and beautiful.

Something like what they are doing in SCS. So peaceful and so very diplomatic!!
 

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I find that you have no idea of the military connotation 'defence'.

How can some one in defence works throw out anyone unless they are attacked.
Wow, I am not the one saying that. It is your Nehru said.

http://www.merinews.com/article/chi...n-to-nehru-menons-forward-policy/130284.shtml

Let's have a look what he said:
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"If the Chinese will not vacate the areas occupied by her, India will have to repeat what she did in Goa. She will certainly drive out the Chinese forces." Nehru himself made a rabble-rousing statement on October 12, 1962, that he had "ordered the Indian Army to throw the Chinese out."
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Obviously, throwing someone out if they don't leave where they are, is not kind of "defence" you are talking about.
 
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Another Tibetan sets self on fire in China, where is this self-immolation going?

By Associated Press, Published: January 14


BEIJING — Another Tibetan in southwest China self-immolated Saturday in the latest in a series of apparent protests against Chinese rule, activist groups said.

The self-immolation in the town of Aba in Sichuan province was followed by clashes between security forces and local Tibetans, said the London-based group Free Tibet.


At least 16 Buddhist monks, nuns and other Tibetans are now believed to have set themselves on fire in the past year — including four in the past week — mostly in traditionally Tibetan areas of Sichuan province. Most have chanted for Tibetan freedom and the return of their spiritual leader, the Dalai Lama, who fled to India amid an abortive uprising against Chinese rule in 1959.

Little was known about the person who self-immolated Saturday, although the London-based International Campaign for Tibet cited its sources as saying the person was a man and that he was not a monk.

Kate Saunders of the ICT said locals began to protest after seeing police beat the man severely as they put out the flames. "Tibetans at the scene became very distressed and angry and gathered together in what seems to be an impromptu demonstration," Saunders wrote in an email.

Both groups said a woman was shot during the unrest.

Woeser, a Beijing-based Tibetan poet and activist, posted accounts of the unrest on her Twitter feed that were similar to the ones reported by the groups.

"A young Tibetan person self-immolated ... the local area has erupted in public protests and marches, and they have been met with military police fire and suppression. There are Tibetan casualties," she wrote. Like some Tibetans, Woeser goes by just one name.

The claims could not be independently confirmed. Calls to Aba county's police bureau rang unanswered Saturday evening.

Heavy security has turned Aba and the surrounding area into a virtual restricted zone since an anti-government uprising there and across Tibetan communities in 2008, and foreign reporters have had little or no access.

China chooses Buddhist leaders in Tibet and wants to pick a pro-Beijing successor to the Dalai Lama, whom China considers to be a separatist. China says Tibet has been part of its territory for centuries, but many Tibetans say the Himalayan region was virtually independent for most of that time.

Chinese authorities routinely deny Tibetan claims of repression, although they have confirmed some self-immolations and accused supporters of the Dalai Lama of encouraging such acts. The Dalai Lama and representatives of the self-declared Tibetan government-in-exile in India say they oppose all violence.

Tibet activist groups: Another Tibetan sets self on fire in anti-China protest, unrest ensues - The Washington Post
 

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Sichuan more than Tibet seems to be troubling China!

Whatever for?

Is China's grip of Tibet stronger than Sichuan?
 

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that part of Sichuan (*Aba county) used to be Xikang Province (Kham) a corridor for mixed ethnic groups Kham - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In fact Tibetan revolt in 1959 started in Kham (Xikang) where CCP initiated reforms (including confiscating lands of monasteries/chiefs and redistributing) first while CCP commited to postponing reforms in Tibet itself. Dalai Lama's forces consisted of many Kham rebels fleeing to Tibet.

Separately there's a thread on Tibetans (incl a prominent Kham) fighting Indian wars
 

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To Nagraj , you are mixing apples and oranges , what does Bangladesh have to do with the support of Tibet exiles and government....? we were fighting the Pakistanis it was a war and by opening the second front , made the Pak army capitulate in east Pakistan (now Bangladesh) , the formation of the state of Bangladesh as a country and help we gave to mukti bahini was part of state craft and secondary to Indian goals which was to stop the Pak army from misadventure in the east as well as the west.
Ray, lets not be naive the Tibetans don't eat air in Dharamshala and all the populace that is supported is done so by the largess of the Indian tax payer, the Tibetan also go to Indian universities for free, now i am for limited assistance to them for a " FINITE" amount of time but this is going on over 40 yrs, to what end?
Tianshan , your statement is pure guile, lets face it the Chinese attacked India in what was clearly a treacherous act, after Nehru met Mao and all the hindi chini bhai bhai , "BS", the sheer gullibility and stupidity of Nehru and his government is still mind numbing , askai-chin is and always will be part of India any government government getting into any dialogue with the Chinese should always set that as priority . No way to sugar coat my statement to your assertions.
 

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There is no media freedom in China, period. Stop ranting CCP propaganda above.

However, there is one thing will never change. Tibet was part of China, is part of China, and will always be. India has a expansionist policy, Sikkim was a independence buddhist nation. However, it is gone now. Is it gone without military occupation? Do not give me any crap. If China does not have strong military appearance in Tibet, it is to invaded by India.

Without the barrier of Himalaya, China will be put into a hard to defend position. For national defense interest, we will not allow to let our national security lie on the pity of another nation. There is just no way.

Dalai Lama praise the Tibetan for having courage to suicide, what the hell, I do not see any Buddhism spirit in the praise of courage of suicide.

Last time I check, genocide means masscre of another race, that is not what is happening in Tibet...

Please, what have Dalai Lama have done for Tibet? I can assured you a much higher percentage of Tibet can read Buddhist Classic, a much higher percentage of Tibetan now own land, average life expectancy under "His HIghness" is 35.5 years in 1951, it is 69 years now.

The so-call destruction of religion is also pathetic. Put it this way, the old Tibet have population of 1 millions, and they have 100,000 monks, that does not contribute much to the society, this is call social-illness. Theocracy is the worst type of government. there is no way people's life can improve with this ill old Tibet system. Currently, there is about 46,000 monks in Tibet, about 1.5 percent of population, this is a much healthier number.

According to the 2011 census in China, Tibet have more than 3 million(3002166) population right now, of that number, 90.48% of them are ethnic Tibetan. If you called this is a genocide, I'm speechless. Your claims of Tibetan local are over-flooded by ethnic Han does not sustain.

The current infant mortality rate in Tibet is 2.1%, while according to CIA world factbook, India have the figure at over 4%(total: 47.57 deaths/1,000 live births)...

Census data:http://news.qq.com/a/20110506/000408.htm
 
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Wow, I am not the one saying that. It is your Nehru said.

Chienigma-III: Beware of return to Nehru-Menon's 'Forward Policy'

Let's have a look what he said:
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"If the Chinese will not vacate the areas occupied by her, India will have to repeat what she did in Goa. She will certainly drive out the Chinese forces." Nehru himself made a rabble-rousing statement on October 12, 1962, that he had "ordered the Indian Army to throw the Chinese out."
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Obviously, throwing someone out if they don't leave where they are, is not kind of "defence" you are talking about.
Nehru's statement has been roundly criticised in India as total hogwash!
 

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Ray, lets not be naive the Tibetans don't eat air in Dharamshala and all the populace that is supported is done so by the largess of the Indian tax payer, the Tibetan also go to Indian universities for free, now i am for limited assistance to them for a " FINITE" amount of time but this is going on over 40 yrs, to what end?
To which post is this reply?

First let us tackle the illegal immigrants and then look at refugees who has entered legally.

There are many NGOs who are working for the Tibetans and so it is not the Indian taxpayers money alone.
 

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There is no media freedom in China, period. Stop ranting CCP propaganda above. However, there is one thing will never change. Tibet was part of China, is part of China, and will always be. India has a expansionist policy, Sikkim was a independence buddhist nation. However, it is gone now. Yes, it is gone without military occupation? Do not give me any crap. If China does not have strong military appearance in Tibet, it is to invaded by India.

Without the barrier of Himalaya, China will be put into a hard to defend position. For national defense interest, we will not allow to let our national security lie on the pity of another nation. There is just no way. Dalai Lama praise the Tibetan for having courage to suicide, what the hell, I do not see any Buddhism spirit in the praise of courage of suicide.

Last time I check, genocide means masscre of another race, that is not what is happening in Tibet...

Please, what have Dalai Lama have done for Tibet? I can assured you a much higher percentage of Tibet can read Buddhist Classic, a much higher percentage of Tibetan now own land, average life expectancy under "His HIghness" is 35 years, it is 69 now.
Tibet will continue to be Tibet and will resist Han occupation.

That is obvious where you see Tibetans setting fire to themselves in protest and it is not in Tibet itself, but in what is known as Greater Tibet. The discontent is spreading.

There has been a systematic wiping out of Tibetan culture, religion, traditions, customs by the Hans.

You speak of Tibetan reading their scriptures? In what language are they reading? China has systematically degraded Tibetan and imposed Mandarin. No one can get a job if he does not no Mandarin. All higher education is in Mandarin. Tibetan is slowly being killed since it has been made to have no value if one wanted to have a livelihood!
 

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What is wrong with Tibetan speaking Mandarin? In a country where 90% of the population are made of Hans, it is natural that Mandarin becomes the dominant language, hence the official language.

What else do you expect,?Tibetan language becomes the official language and 90% of Chinese relinquish their mother tongue and start learning Tibetan language? Does that sound fair to you?

No one forbids them to learn their own language, but if they want to interact with the other 90% people, they have to learn Mandarin.
 

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What is wrong with Tibetan speaking Mandarin? In a country where 90% of the population are made of Hans, it is natural that Mandarin becomes the dominant language, hence the official language.

What else do you expect,?Tibetan language becomes the official language and 90% of Chinese relinquish their mother tongue and start learning Tibetan language? Does that sound fair to you?

No one forbids them to learn their own language, but if they want to interact with the other 90% people, they have to learn Mandarin.
Nothing wrong in Tibetans speaking Mandarin.

In fact, they could speak in Esperanto too!

What the point is that quality education is in Mandarin and unless one speaks Mandarin, he does not get a Govt or any other job, not even in Tibet!!

Same is the case in Xinjiang.

Neat way to kill local languages.

No one has said that Mandarin should not be the official language, but other languages should also flourish without a clever way to kill them (the languages).

While it maybe essential to know Mandarin outside Greater Tibet, it is incumbent that the Hans know Tibetan to interact with the Tibetans in Greater Tibet.
 

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China Genocides Tibet's Language: Violating UN Law

In world history, language is maintained as a matter of national identity, language defines a culture. The current genocide of the Tibetan language by the Chinese government aims to make Chinese children out of Tibetan children.

Buddhism and culture depend on the rich and developed language that we call Tibetan. Standard Tibetan is based on the speech of the Tibetan capital, Lhasa, also Ü-Tsang dialect belonging to the Central Tibetan languages. For this reason, Standard Tibetan is often called Central Tibetan. It is in turn one of several branches of the Tibetan languages, the others being Kham (Tibetan: Kham kad) and Amdo (Tibetan: Amdo kad). Written Standard Tibetan is based on Classical Tibetan and is highly conservative.

It is clear that the Chinese authorities do not accept Tibetan as a mother tongue, and the authorities think that academic reform is the only a solution to solve this issue in Tibet, thus adhering to USSR dictators theory of "to destroy a nation, we must first destroy the language of the nation."

Most of the world's languages are spoken by relatively few people; the median number of speakers of a language is 5,000-6,000. There are fewer than 300 languages with more than 1 million native users; half of all languages have fewer than 10,000 users, and a quarter of the world's spoken languages and most of the sign languages have fewer than 1,000 users. More than 80% of the world's languages exist only in one country. So, Tibetan language is one of the latest facing linguistical genocide.

The racism by the Chinese communist regime is continuous and abuses the rights of native Tibetan speakers and the other nationalities, such as those in east Turkestan and Inner Mongolia .The Chinese Government is guilty of "Language Genocide", against the Tibetans for breaching articles of the United Nations Genocide Convention. The Convention defines genocide as any of a number of acts committed with the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial or religious group. Therefore, the Tibetan people can bring the Chinese Government to justice by complaining in International Court over the injustice done by China for not complying with the UN Articles and the "Genocide of the Tibetan Language".

The Chinese Government should treat all citizens equally within the law and without any discrimination. Every citizen in Han Chinese has a right to be protected under the law equally, and equal protection should be applied to all against any discrimination. I would like to say that the international communities should not allow the Chinese Government to abuse and genocide the Tibetan by branding them for "inciting activities to split the nation."

To conclude, I want to say that all human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights. So everyone should be entitled to all the rights and freedoms and enjoy them without division and distinction of any type, in regard to race, color or national origin as in written article of the Chinese constitution. Genocide of the Tibetan Language is abuse and a humiliation against the Tibetans and humanity in general. The Chinese communist authorities in eastern Tibet do not accept and respect the Tibetan language as a mother tongue; this means that the authorities act like USSR dictators, who prohibited the languages to be used in the occupied states. I strongly believe this is a big mistake and ignorance and negligent to put other factors aside such as freedom of speech, and the other fundamental rights like education.

China Genocides Tibet's Language: Violating UN Law
 

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Apolitical policy or systemic war on culture?


By Bhuchung D. Sonam

Forcing Tibetan students to study in Mandarin Chinese is, in essence, a 'cultural crackdown' – an attack on the root of Tibetan culture and identity. This policy also implies that Tibetan language and culture are 'backward'.

At 8 am on 19 October, thousands of Tibetan students in Rebkong, northeastern Tibet, took to the streets to demand 'freedom of language.' They were protesting the decision taken during a meeting on 12 October by the Provincial Communist Party and Amdo (Qinghai) provincial government to replace Tibetan with Mandarin Chinese as the medium of instruction at educational institutions.

Peaceful protests by Tibetan students have, meanwhile, spread all over Tibet and Beijing, where 400 students from the Minorities University participated in a solidarity march. On 21 October, more than 3000 students in Golok, eastern Tibet, also protested against the new language policy. Tibetan students in exile and their supporters are also lobbying initiatives around the world, particularly in Belgium, Holland, Poland, Germany, Switzerland and in many places in the US and India. Students and teachers in East Turkestan (Xinjiang) have shown strong support for the Tibetan students. These moves, however, have not been taken well by the powers-that-be. At around 10:30 on the morning of 22 October, Chinese authorities detained more than 20 students in Chabcha in Amdo, northeastern Tibet.

The intent behind this seemingly apolitical policy of the Chinese authorities is summed up in a letter that was signed by at least 133 teachers from various schools in the region, and submitted on 15 October to the Amdo (Qinghai) provincial government. 'If both the spoken and written language of a people die, then it is as if the entire population of that people has died and the people have been decimated,' the teachers maintained. An appeal signed by 27 Tibetan writers living in exile also clearly express this concern: 'As Tibetan writers, we consider language as the core identity of the Tibetan people. The survival of our identity depends on our language and to destroy a language is to destroy people and their identity.'

Since the Chinese occupation of Tibet, the Communist Party's outlook towards Tibetan language and religion has been one of suspicion and fear. The Tibetan people's traditional way of life and outlook towards the world is inextricably linked with Buddhism, which in turn is firmly linked with Tibetan language. (The entire corpus of Buddhist cannons and thousands of commentaries by Buddhist scholars down the centuries are available only in Tibetan language.) This shared culture binds Tibetans into a unified entity giving them a sense of national identity. This unifying power, however, is seen as a threat to Beijing's rule and its survival in Tibet. Consequently, for over half a century, the Chinese rulers have hammered down on Tibetan religion, language and identity. The Communist Party of China has even involved itself in controlling and manipulating the selection of reincarnations of Tibetan lamas – the spiritual teachers and leaders of Tibetan Buddhism.

In 1951, after the so-called 17-Point Agreement on 'the peaceful liberation of Tibet' was forced onto Tibet, 600 Tibetan children were sent to the Central Institute of Nationalities in Beijing to be educated as cadres and teachers. This was one of the first steps taken to win over the trust of the Tibetans. In Tibet, meanwhile, the occupying Chinese authorities introduced propagandist education in schools. The late Professor Dawa Norbu remembered how mathematics was taught using examples such as, 'I have five eggs. I offer three to the People's Liberation Army. How many have I left?' In her book, Education in Tibet: Policy and Practice since 1950, Catriona Bass states that during the Cultural Revolution, 'all concessions to culturally specific education for China's nationalities were abolished; the political nature of education during this period meant that it consisted almost entirely of launching attacks on traditional Tibetan culture, the prime target being the Tibetan language.'

While authorities relented a little in the early 1980s, whatever little was gained at the time was soon overshadowed by hardline policies under Chen Kuiyuan, the then-firebrand party boss in Tibet, who said that Beijing 'must improve political and ideological work in schools'. As such, mass political indoctrination as a tool of social control through ideological education, which was initiated at that time, persists to this day in schools and monasteries. This lays bare the state's underlying goal of fostering political loyalty, alongside its attempts at instilling an ideology of the 'unity of the motherland' and 'opposition to splittism' among Tibetan children.

In January 1996, Chen stated at an internal meeting that Tibetan nationalism was rooted in Tibetan religion, and that Tibetan religion was in turn rooted in Tibetan culture and language. Since 1997, Beijing has been forcefully using Chinese as a medium of instruction for Tibetan children in the 'Tibetan Autonomous Region' (TAR). Even Tibetan students seeking admission into the University of Tibet in Lhasa are required pass an entrance exam in Mandarin Chinese. Thus, Beijing's fundamental education policy in Tibet has been to win over the loyalty of generations of Tibetans through mandatory education in Chinese while consistently marginalising the Tibetan language. This has a clear historical precedent in Manchuria, which was occupied by China after the Qing dynasty collapsed in 1911. The Chinese authorities banned teaching of Manchu as a language during the same year. As a result, though the current population of Manchu under China is nearly 10 million, fewer than a hundred people can speak the Manchu language. Many scholars believe that oral Manchu will disappear within the next decade.

The recent education policy that the Chinese authorities announced in Amdo (Qinghai) clearly follows Beijing's eradication of Manchu language and the compulsory introduction of Chinese as a medium of instruction in schools in the Tibet Autonomous Region. If left unchecked, China will succeed in wiping out Tibetan language – and, thereafter, what is today thought of as Tibetan identity will not be far behind. The late Tibetan professor, Dungkar Lobsang Trinley, remarked that 'all hope in our future, all other developments, cultural identity, and protection of our heritage depends on this [Tibetan language]. Without educated people in all fields, able to express themselves in their own language, Tibetans are in danger of being assimilated.'

It is not overstatement to warn that the survival of Tibet as a nation and the Tibetans as a culturally distinct people depends in large part on its language. China's policies to destroy Tibetan language are clear attacks on the root of Tibetan identity. Drawing inspiration from thousands of Tibetan students inside Tibet who are asserting their right to study in their own language, and Tibetan writers and intellectuals languishing in Chinese jails for speaking their minds, action must be taken before the language of Tibet meets the same fate as Manchu.





Apolitical policy or systemic war on culture?
 

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That is what the Tibetans themselves have to say.
 

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Naxalites have echoed your opinion!
The result of which they get when we crush communists like moths in a fire. :lol:

You compare gun totting lunatics to monks. No wonder Communists always come like a storm and vanish with the same speed into oblivion.
 

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To mylegend , Tibet was "NEVER" part of China , its China's expansionist policies that is systematically destroying the Tibetan culture and moving in han Chinese to make the Tibetan people a minority in their own country.
 

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To mylegend , Tibet was "NEVER" part of China , its China's expansionist policies that is systematically destroying the Tibetan culture and moving in han Chinese to make the Tibetan people a minority in their own country.
At least in Qing Dynasty, China have effective control over Tibet. Also I also answered the question of Tibetan being minority. According to 2011 census, ethnic Tibetan is about 90% of 3 million population of Tibet compare with 1 million population in 1950.
 
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