Could the Arjun be a good fit for Taiwan???

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If US tries to do everything they can to protect Taiwan, can China unify Taiwan through a war in a near future? The answer is no, I am pretty sure China doesn't have that ability so far.

But come on , we are not talking about China VS scenario. Taiwan is not Hawaii, Taiwan belongs to China. When China attacks Taiwan, we are not attacking the soil of US. Are americans ready to shed their blood for Taiwan? I doubt.

In a decade, mainland will not take the initiative to wage a war with Taiwan unless Taiwan declares independence. If that happens, mainland China has no alternative but to resort to war. Otherwise, we are just waiting to be strangled to death.

So if a war between Taiwan and mainland breaks out, China will do whatever she can to prevent Taiwan from splitting from China, even if the rest of the world unite to fight against China. Considering the weak military defence of China and powerful rivals we are dealing with, it is possible we may fail, that is why we prefer a status quo. Nevertheless, we wil fight to survive.

So badguy is right, if a war like this happens, it can be a WW3, in that case China is not the only one to lose.
 

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If Chinese forces land in Taiwan the war is over :). Still if they want to make a last stand they should buy plenty of anti tank (anti Armour to be precise) weapons which can come in handy rather then tanks
 

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Status Quo on taiwan is what is going to go on for the foreseeable future. Because the US military industrial complex will not say no to arms sales, especially since its facing a recession, and will keep arming Taiwan just enough to deter China from entering Taiwan at the expense of its own development.
 

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The similarity between Chinese and Pakistanis is that they will either blackmail you with their nukes or World war iii. This what Saddam hussein was thinking by attacking Israel during Gulf war. Chinese over the net are hell bent on declaring Taiwan a political issue but will never talk, how much Taiwan has prepared military with all possible resources against China.

On topic: Taiwanese don't think India will be in a picture any soon for military cooperation cause USA is always there to help. India has many trade links with Taiwan and is a big exporter of cycle parts to Taiwan (i personally know). Many heavy industry machines in hosiery and garment are imported from Taiwan till date.

The link provided by Badguy that Taiwan's mock Arjun or LCA has nothing like that, may be he is trying to spam DFI with some blog links. However just recently when i read a post about India's role in Korean war and now i can bet that India can play some role to help Taiwan at the cost of WMD proliferator China in near future.
 

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The US had hoped to bring democracy to the mainland by its One China policy after China becomes prosperous through Taiwan. It doesn't seem to be working though.
 

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The similarity between Chinese and Pakistanis is that they will either blackmail you with their nukes or World war iii.
Chinese are crazy, have $ & the means.

This what Saddam hussein was thinking by attacking Israel during Gulf war.
Saddam Hussein went to war with Iran with the backing of Israelis, Arabs and Americans. Saddam Hussein invaded Quwait when he had to pay back the money the Arabs loaned him, attacking Israel was a bait to save himself.

Chinese over the net are hell bent on declaring Taiwan a political issue but will never talk, how much Taiwan has prepared military with all possible resources against China.

On topic: Taiwanese don't think India will be in a picture any soon for military cooperation cause USA is always there to help. India has many trade links with Taiwan and is a big exporter of cycle parts to Taiwan (i personally know). Many heavy industry machines in hosiery and garment are imported from Taiwan till date.

The link provided by Badguy that Taiwan's mock Arjun or LCA has nothing like that, may be he is trying to spam DFI with some blog links. However just recently when i read a post about India's role in Korean war and now i can bet that India can play some role to help Taiwan at the cost of WMD proliferator China in near future.
India should actively use the Taiwan card to counter Chinese String of Pearls Strategy. I wonder why we don't do that ?
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We don't do that because using the Taiwan card won't stop China from chipping away at its string of pearls. And, its unclear whether the ROC will be more friendly towards India than PRC. Their claim on Indian territory extends PRC claims
 

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The similarity between Chinese and Pakistanis is that they will either blackmail you with their nukes or World war iii. This what Saddam hussein was thinking by attacking Israel during Gulf war. Chinese over the net are hell bent on declaring Taiwan a political issue but will never talk, how much Taiwan has prepared military with all possible resources against China.
Blackmail you with WW3? a WW3 means no good to China. Only Indians like you tend to intimidate us with nukes, i remember there is a thread in this forum discussing if India should abandon NFU policy.

On topic: Taiwanese don't think India will be in a picture any soon for military cooperation cause USA is always there to help. India has many trade links with Taiwan and is a big exporter of cycle parts to Taiwan (i personally know). Many heavy industry machines in hosiery and garment are imported from Taiwan till date.
The idea of selling a tank denied by your own amy to Taiwan is a joke!

The link provided by Badguy that Taiwan's mock Arjun or LCA has nothing like that, may be he is trying to spam DFI with some blog links.
The link he provided is talking about the best tanks in Asia, no one in that thread mentioned Arjun.

However just recently when i read a post about India's role in Korean war and now i can bet that India can play some role to help Taiwan at the cost of WMD proliferator China in near future.
Yeah, after India has more gut than US.
 

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We don't do that because using the Taiwan card won't stop China from chipping away at its string of pearls. And, its unclear whether the ROC will be more friendly towards India than PRC. Their claim on Indian territory extends PRC claims
People in mainland or Taiwan, all boil down to Chinese.

We disagree with each other on some political issues which in fact could be solved if it was not the inference of outsiders, but we have a consensus on the identity of ourself.
 

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People in mainland or Taiwan, all boil down to Chinese.

We disagree with each other on some political issues which in fact could be solved if it was not the inference of outsiders, but we have a consensus on the identity of ourself.
Not really, a difference in ideology can lead to a huge split. Taiwan has been lobbying consistently in the United Nations to recognize its existence. If PRC has the means, it could take that itself as a declaration of independence. Its a complicated issue, and it will remain complicated for years to come. Taiwan will exist in limbo for the foreseeable future.
 

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Blackmail you with WW3? a WW3 means no good to China. Only Indians like you tend to intimidate us with nukes, i remember there is a thread in this forum discussing if India should abandon NFU policy.
We should abandon our no first use policy . You chinese are biggest nuclear prolifirator in entire world . because of you guys only both Pakistan and North korea are in position to blackmail their neighbors. Even Myanmar is looking for nukes.for your benefit you are also supporting nuclear program of Iran. when we are surrounded by so many rogue nations best option is to adopt first use policy and annihilate the enemy before he think of using the weapons.
 

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If US tries to do everything they can to protect Taiwan, can China unify Taiwan through a war in a near future? The answer is no, I am pretty sure China doesn't have that ability so far.

But come on , we are not talking about China VS scenario. Taiwan is not Hawaii, Taiwan belongs to China. When China attacks Taiwan, we are not attacking the soil of US. Are americans ready to shed their blood for Taiwan? I doubt.

In a decade, mainland will not take the initiative to wage a war with Taiwan unless Taiwan declares independence. If that happens, mainland China has no alternative but to resort to war. Otherwise, we are just waiting to be strangled to death.

So if a war between Taiwan and mainland breaks out, China will do whatever she can to prevent Taiwan from splitting from China, even if the rest of the world unite to fight against China. Considering the weak military defence of China and powerful rivals we are dealing with, it is possible we may fail, that is why we prefer a status quo. Nevertheless, we wil fight to survive.

So badguy is right, if a war like this happens, it can be a WW3, in that case China is not the only one to lose.
Till now you guys are only fighting Proxy wars. Attack on Taiwan will be a golden opportunity to pay you guys back with intrest and you guys will be paid well.
And that will be end of rise of china. The day china attack Taiwan their demise will begin.
 

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Georgian also thought they can get full support from U.S.
Georgia and Taiwan are different. America has extensive commercial interests in Taiwan, and will go to any lengths to protect its sovereignty, even if it means arming it with nuclear weapons and ballistic missiles that can strike an incoming Chinese invasion force.
 

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We should abandon our no first use policy .
Well, do it, no more talking!

You chinese are biggest nuclear prolifirator in entire world .
What a joke!

A country who refuses to sign the NPT has no qualification to accused a country who has signed the NPT of being nuke proliferator.

India initiated the nuke arm race in the South Asia continent, you are the biggest trouble maker in that area.

because of you guys only both Pakistan and North korea are in position to blackmail their neighbors.
If India didn't develop nuclear weapons in the first place to intimidate Pakistan in the first place, Pakistan would not have developed nuclear weapons to deter India. Do you think you can use nuclear weapons blackmail Pakistan without consequences?

Even Myanmar is looking for nukes.
Maybe their nuclear technology sources from India. I just heard some Indian member suggested India proliferate WMD.
for your benefit you are also supporting nuclear program of Iran.
China opposed Iran to develop nuclear weapons, get the fact straight.

when we are surrounded by so many rogue nations best option is to adopt first use policy and annihilate the enemy before he think of using the weapons.
Well, you reap what you have sown. You started the nuclear arm race, now you take the consequences!
 

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Till now you guys are only fighting Proxy wars. Attack on Taiwan will be a golden opportunity to pay you guys back with intrest and you guys will be paid well.
And that will be end of rise of china. The day china attack Taiwan their demise will begin.
No, nothing will happen. If they don't touch the US embassy and bases in Taiwan, the US can't do anything about it. (they have to go through the UN)--And we know what good the UN can do ;)
The US can't start a war with China, because 1. Taiwan's not a NATO country. 2. US isn't doing this to protect it's national security.

China can invade Taiwan anytime it wants. Trust me, nothing will happen. What makes you guys think the US will start a war against China??
The EU countries won't be supporting the US on this.
 

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We should abandon our no first use policy . You chinese are biggest nuclear prolifirator in entire world . because of you guys only both Pakistan and North korea are in position to blackmail their neighbors. Even Myanmar is looking for nukes.for your benefit you are also supporting nuclear program of Iran. when we are surrounded by so many rogue nations best option is to adopt first use policy and annihilate the enemy before he think of using the weapons.
Pakistan? ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, is an ally of China. (well, military partner)
North Korea has good ties with the Premiere of China. Even after this nuke incident.

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These two countries are IRRELEVANT to China's nuclear program.
North = To fight South Korea, Japan
Pakistan = Indian nuke program!

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Till now you guys are only fighting Proxy wars. Attack on Taiwan will be a golden opportunity to pay you guys back with intrest and you guys will be paid well.
And that will be end of rise of china. The day china attack Taiwan their demise will begin.
Yeah, a war between Taiwan and mainland, that is what you want!

But the fact is a war like that is unlikely to happen, neither US nor China has the intention to get involved in such a war, because it costs too much.

So you can just stop dreaming China's demise caused by a conflict between mainland and Taiwan.

If you want to catch up with China, work harder!

Dreaming China to go through a self-destruction is unrealistic!
 
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Pakistan? ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, is an ally of China. (well, military partner)
North Korea has good ties with the Premiere of China. Even after this nuke incident.

,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

These two countries are IRRELEVANT to China's nuclear program.
North = To fight South Korea, Japan
Pakistan = Indian nuke program!

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what I meant to say is that china supported and assisted their nuclear program to fight proxy wars for china.
 

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Yeah, a war between Taiwan and mainland, that is what you want!

But the fact is a war like that is unlikely to happen, neither US nor China has the intention to get involved in such a war, because it costs too much.

So you can just stop dreaming China's demise caused by a conflict between mainland and Taiwan.

If you want to catch up with China, work harder!

Dreaming China to go through a self-destruction is unrealistic!
thats what I am Saying. China donot have guts to fight an open war. all they can do is arm their proxies and beat war drums.
Militarily we are better equipped to defend ourself . We don't plan to be aggressor.
You guys should buck up and improve quality of your military .
STOP creating cheap copies and work on something original.
 

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Well, do it, no more talking!
What a joke!
A country who refuses to sign the NPT has no qualification to accused a country who has signed the NPT of being nuke proliferator.
India initiated the nuke arm race in the South Asia continent, you are the biggest trouble maker in that area.
If India didn't develop nuclear weapons in the first place to intimidate Pakistan in the first place, Pakistan would not have developed nuclear weapons to deter India. Do you think you can use nuclear weapons blackmail Pakistan without consequences?
Maybe their nuclear technology sources from India. I just heard some Indian member suggested India proliferate WMD.
China opposed Iran to develop nuclear weapons, get the fact straight.
Well, you reap what you have sown. You started the nuclear arm race, now you take the consequences!
We didn't develop nukes to intimidate Pakistan. Pakistan gets bitch-slapped whenever it misadventures. We developed nukes to counter you. So, apparently, by your logic, you started the arms race in Asia and you will face the consequences if any misadventure occurs like it did in 1962.
 

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