Could the Arjun be a good fit for Taiwan???

[Param]

Didn't talk the reason, I meant Georgia put major hope on U.S., they thought U.S. would help them against Russia, just like somebody think U.S. solider will sacrifice for Taiwan.

US cannot afford to let down Taiwan if china invaded . Because this would affect trust that nations like Japan or S.korea have on the US. If they see that the US has let down a key ally other US allies would not trust the US fearing the same fate.

 

[Param]

USA was the flag holder of capitalism camp, they had to do some gallant things, but now they only want to see melees on their competitor

Now it's their super power status that is at stake , so they will defend their pride.

 

[badguy2000]

HA HA HA , I would not be surprised even if you say that defeating US military would be a cakewalk. Why do you keep posturing like in 1996.Do something and prove yourselves. Don't pretend as if yuo have no fear at all.

do you know that since 1996,14 years have passed .

 

[badguy2000]

US cannot afford to let down Taiwan if china invaded . Because this would affect trust that nations like Japan or S.korea have on the US. If they see that the US has let down a key ally other US allies would not trust the US fearing the same fate.

don't be too serious of "alliance". the "ally" like Taiwan is used as a chessman by major powers....
When CHina and USA are quarreling, Taiwan is a chessman;
When CHina and USA are in bed, Taiwan is also a chessman.

 

[p2prada]

I doubt the Chinese will go for a military solution over Taiwan. Over time China can enforce their rule over Taiwan through Diplomacy. If the Chinese take the democratic ideals in the next 30 years, even Taiwan will not hesitate joining the mainland if the politicians there are given enough sops.

Anyway, if there is a military intervention, it will mainly be a Air and Sea war. If Taiwan loses the air war it is over. Instead of Arjun, we will have a better chance of offering the LCA.

 

[Crusader53]

1. big-size heavy tanks like Arjue and M1 is not fit for moutainous Aast Asia. that is why Japan's T90, S.KOrea's KM1, CHina's T99 are all small-size light tankers.

2. Taiwanese distrust the quality of Arjurn.
here is taiwanese miliatry forum http://www.itechlutions.com/cobrachen/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=6456
if you could read it, you would know how Taiwanese mock India-made projects from LCA to Arjue.
It is harder to persude Taiwanese that India-made weapons is reliable than to persude MR. Armand here that China-made weapons is reliable...hahaha.

3. Whatever Tank taiwanese buy can not change the final of pertential war against mainland China at all.
When PLA's tank has landed on Taiwan, the war in fact would have ended.

Well, I don't see how you can claim the Arjun is to big. When in fact Taiwan already operates a fleet of ~500 M60 and ~700 M48 Heavy Patton Tanks! As for quality that is up to India to prove.......


BTW Even if China can get Tanks ashore on Taiwan that hardly means victory. As its a large island and to support such a force for a worth while period is beyond China's ability at this point...........

 

[Crusader53]

I doubt the Chinese will go for a military solution over Taiwan. Over time China can enforce their rule over Taiwan through Diplomacy. If the Chinese take the democratic ideals in the next 30 years, even Taiwan will not hesitate joining the mainland if the politicians there are given enough sops.

Anyway, if there is a military intervention, it will mainly be a Air and Sea war. If Taiwan loses the air war it is over. Instead of Arjun, we will have a better chance of offering the LCA.

You can't win any war with Air and Sea Power alone. Especially, in the Pacific...Nonetheless, China is not in a position to invade Taiwan and win.

 

[Yusuf]

Yes if china reaches a stage where it lands its tanks on taiwanese soil, then the war would have ended. This is because to put its tanks in taiwan requires both aerial and naval superiority. So if the chinese succeeded in landing their tanks, it would mean they vanquished both the taiwanese and US air and naval might. That would end the war in chinas favor.

How exactly china will win a naval war against the US is altogether another question.

 

[AkhandBharat]

How exactly china will win a naval war against the US is altogether another question.

Well, that depends on the year the war breaks out between the two. If it's in this decade, US can think about stepping in, although some US policymakers argue that it probably is a good time to abandon Taiwan. With time, it will be increasingly difficult for the US to step up to China for Taiwan.

 

[neo29]

We dont have diplomatic relations with Taiwan. China will surely object to any thing with china. If India had the military muscle to match and challenge China, they could have dictated terms that selling goodies to pakistan will result in India selling goodies to Taiwan..

 

[Crusader53]

Well, that depends on the year the war breaks out between the two. If it's in this decade, US can think about stepping in, although some US policymakers argue that it probably is a good time to abandon Taiwan. With time, it will be increasingly difficult for the US to step up to China for Taiwan.

You have no idea what US Policymakers think! Which, is obvious by your absurd comments. The US is no more ready to Abandon Taiwan than it would Israel, Japan, South Korea, etc. etc. etc.

 

[Crusader53]

We dont have diplomatic relations with Taiwan. China will surely object to any thing with china. If India had the military muscle to match and challenge China, they could have dictated terms that selling goodies to pakistan will result in India selling goodies to Taiwan..

So, the US will sell weapons to Taiwan but India won't???

 

[Crusader53]

Yes if china reaches a stage where it lands its tanks on taiwanese soil, then the war would have ended. This is because to put its tanks in taiwan requires both aerial and naval superiority. So if the chinese succeeded in landing their tanks, it would mean they vanquished both the taiwanese and US air and naval might. That would end the war in chinas favor.

How exactly china will win a naval war against the US is altogether another question.

No..........China could very well land a number of Tanks on Taiwan. Yet, they are likely to be cut off by Allied Naval and Air Forces. Which, would be destroyed piece by piece or forced to surrender.


Taiwan is well defended and has 3 Corp and 5 Armies Equipped with 1200 Heavy Tanks! Plus, how would China mass such a force without the world knowing about it??? Nor, could the Chinese prevent the US from intervening! Unless you think they could stop American Submarines (i.e. SSN's & SSGN's) or that China would dare Attack US Bases in Guam, Japan, or South Korea.

Really, any conflict with Taiwan and the US would be the end of China. As Allied Forces would stop the supply of Oil going to China and such down its trade with free world. How long with China last without its export market to the US, Japan, and Europe???

In short any War over Taiwan would be Political Suicide and one it just can't WIN.



Really, if you look at the problem piece by piece China has a terrible hand. Regardless, what some would like us to believe.

 

[AkhandBharat]

You have no idea what US Policymakers think! Which, is obvious by your absurd comments. The US is no more ready to Abandon Taiwan than it would Israel, Japan, South Korea, etc. etc. etc.

Apparently I do know more than you, since you apparently think that the US is eternally bound to protect taiwan when the US is playing the great game of balancing ROC and PRC for its own interests, and arms taiwan on one hand while advocating a one-china policy on the other.

 

[amoy]

Really, any conflict with Taiwan and the US would be the end of China. As Allied Forces would stop the supply of Oil going to China and such down its trade with free world. How long with China last without its export market to the US, Japan, and Europe???

In short any War over Taiwan would be Political Suicide and one it just can't WIN.

Allied forces? Do u recall Korean War, and Vietnam War?? the US then pledged to defend them and even threatened to attack China who backed NK and NV. So, what was the outcome?

US and China had truce along the 38 parallel. And US finally abandoned S.V. .

The real Q is to what extent the US would like to 'sacrifice' for its 'allies' for what interest.

 

[Crusader53]

Apparently I do know more than you, since you apparently think that the US is eternally bound to protect taiwan when the US is playing the great game of balancing ROC and PRC for its own interests, and arms taiwan on one hand while advocating a one-china policy on the other.

The US doesn't want war between Taiwan and China. As its in nobody's interests........As for arming Taiwan. It does so to keep China from trying a Military Solution!

 

[Crusader53]

Allied forces? Do u recall Korean War, and Vietnam War?? the US then pledged to defend them and even threatened to attack China who backed NK and NV. So, what was the outcome?

US and China had truce along the 38 parallel. And US finally abandoned S.V. .

The real Q is to what extent the US would like to 'sacrifice' for its 'allies' for what interest.

Maybe you should read a little History yourself?? Korea was a UN War and many many countries found in defense of South Korea. As for Vietnam the US signed a peace treaty with the North. Then after the US pulled out the Vietnamese Invaded the South. The US fought that war to stop Communist Russia and China from expansing in Asia. It made some unwise compromises like Supporting what was for all practical purposes a Corrupt Government. Clearly, a mistake on the part of the US and one thay we have learned from. Yet, I will ask is Vietnam better off??? Would Korea be better off if the North won that War. NO


Nonetheless, both wars were very complex and you have to also take them in the context of the times........(i.e. Cold War between US and former USSR)

 

[nimo_cn]

Badguy Taiwan would have the full support of USA in any war you delusions are not accurate, Taiwan is an independent country that China still has not been able to conquor and with US support most likely never will.

Full support? What kind of full support?

China is prepared to fight any country who wants to intervene in the Taiwan issue. Is US willing to have full-scale war with China for Taiwan?

To China, Taiwan issue concerns life and death. To US, Taiwan is a useful but dispensable card.

 

[Yusuf]

No..........China could very well land a number of Tanks on Taiwan. Yet, they are likely to be cut off by Allied Naval and Air Forces. Which, would be destroyed piece by piece or forced to surrender.


Taiwan is well defended and has 3 Corp and 5 Armies Equipped with 1200 Heavy Tanks! Plus, how would China mass such a force without the world knowing about it??? Nor, could the Chinese prevent the US from intervening! Unless you think they could stop American Submarines (i.e. SSN's & SSGN's) or that China would dare Attack US Bases in Guam, Japan, or South Korea.

Really, any conflict with Taiwan and the US would be the end of China. As Allied Forces would stop the supply of Oil going to China and such down its trade with free world. How long with China last without its export market to the US, Japan, and Europe???

In short any War over Taiwan would be Political Suicide and one it just can't WIN.



Really, if you look at the problem piece by piece China has a terrible hand. Regardless, what some would like us to believe.

Oh no they wont be able to land anything in Taiwan. The 100 mile strait there is the best defense Taiwan has got. To cross that requires it to overcome USN. No mean task. So if it does land a tank there, it would have sunk the US armada there and got it to its knees. Dont see that happening though.

 

[AkhandBharat]

The US doesn't want war between Taiwan and China. As its in nobody's interests........As for arming Taiwan. It does so to keep China from trying a Military Solution!

Its not in US interests to get dragged in a war with China. It is in US interests to keep arming Taiwan to deter China and to let the taiwan issue remain unresolved, which is what the US is doing.