Comac set to deliver China's first passenger jets

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it happened .........the bird just landed around one hour ago...

the maiden flight took place @1400 local time. the flight lasted around 80 minutes ...a little less than planed 90-minute schedule...the weather forced the flight being pushed off to the afternoon

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it happened .........the bird just landed around one hour ago...

the maiden flight took place @1400 local time. the flight lasted around 80 minutes ...a little less than planed 90-minute schedule...the weather forced the flight being pushed off to the afternoon

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some gif converted from the live video

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/comac-c919-commences-maiden-flight-436873/

It's Head Up Displays look really good:



1 of the Test Pilots:

 

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Big congratulations to Comac. Finally Airbus and Boeing's duopoly will be vanquished.
 

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Civil aviation is a big business. Just consider this -- demand is forecast for about 12,810 new airplanes in the Asia-Pacific region valued at around $2 trillion over the next two decades. This represents about 40% of the forecasted global demand for about 32,600 airplanes over the same period. Furthermore, Airbus expects the passenger numbers in Asia to grow at a rate of about 5.6% annually, with China is anticipated in double digits.

With A (airbus) and B (boeing) already in the loop, here comes C (comac) to the game. It would be quite significant if Comac grabs a slice of domestic market share, say 20%. That's a lot. That's why Airbus and Boeing have their manufacturing bases in China to be close to users.

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Maiden flight of first China-made passenger plane

China's homegrown large passenger plane C919 takes off on its maiden flight in Shanghai, east China, May 5, 2017. (Xinhua/Ding Ting)

BEIJING, May 5 (Xinhua) -- China's homegrown large passenger plane, the C919, took to the skies on Friday in the eastern city of Shanghai, marking a great improvement of China's innovative capability and high technology in aviation and aerospace industry.

Departing from Shanghai Pudong International Airport at around 2 pm (0700GMT) with five crew members on board but no passengers, the twin-engine plane signals the country's entry into the global aviation market as a strong competitor.

CHINA'S EFFORTS IN AVIATION

Within only 10 days, China has successively launched its first home-made aircraft carrier and large passenger plane, showing its determination to implement "Made in China 2025," a plan to transform China from a manufacturing giant into a world manufacturing power.

Douglas Royce, an aerospace expert at Forecast International, an aerospace market research firm, told Xinhua that "the Chinese government is interested in establishing independence and self-sufficiency in all aspects of aviation, so it is as much a national project as it is a commercial venture."

In 2007, plans to develop a Chinese-built large passenger jet were approved by the State Council. In November 2015, the first C919 jet rolled off the assembly line.

The "C" in the aircraft's name stands for both China and COMAC, while 9 symbolizes "forever" in Chinese culture, and 19 represents the 190 seats at maximum capacity.

With a standard range of 4,075 kilometers, the narrow-body jet is comparable with updated Airbus 320 and Boeing's new generation 737.

Royce believed that "the Chinese government is engaged in a long-term process of catching up to Europe, the United States, and Russia in commercial aircraft. This is one step in that direction."

Michel Merluzeau, director of AirInsightResearch, an aerospace & defence market analysis and consulting group, based in Seattle, told Xinhua that he was impressed by the role of the Chinese government and the Commercial Aircraft Corporation of China (COMAC), the manufacturer of the C919, to accelerate innovation and implement innovative programs.

ACCESSING TO INT'L MARKET

So far, 23 foreign and domestic customers, including China's national carrier Air China and leasing company GE Capital Aviation Service, have placed orders for 570 aircraft, according to COMAC.

Merluzeau anticipated that by the mid-2030s, COMAC is going to become an important partner to the global aerospace supply chains, owing to the growth of supply chains in China proper and partnership and the importance of market. "It cannot be ignored," he said.

However, "at least in the early years of service, demand will be centered in the Chinese market and a few satellite markets," Royce commented on C919's competitiveness with Airbus and Boeing, which are competitive rivals for China's jet and have spent decades competing fiercely against each other.

In Merluzeau's view, Western certification is a major challenge facing the Chinese passenger jet now. Getting European Aviation Safety Agency (EASA) and Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) certification would be a huge win for the program as it carries different weight comparing with China's certification recognition.

"If achieved, I think it will greatly enhance the accessible market of C919," he said.

Royce anticipated that the COMAC is likely to become a major player in the airline segment over a very long term.





 

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CLASSIC AIRLINER: THE SHANGHAI Y-10 – CHINA’S FIRST COMMERCIAL AIRLINER


A model of the Shanghai Y-10. There is one extant copy, but it is very hard to get close to. – Photo: Shizhao

Today, the Chinese are building their second fully designed and built airliner, the Comac C919. However, back in 1980, they flew their first designed and built in-house airliner, the Shanghai Y-10 and it has an interesting (and quite short) history.

The Chinese aviation business after the 1949 revolution was, to say the least, lagging behind both the west and the Soviet Union.

The only aircraft assembled in China that was even close to the dimension and role of those built by their peers was the Xian H-6 a sinofied and license-built version of the Soviet Tu-16. Though the first Chinese medium bomber flew in 1959, no H-6 would ever be fitted with indigenously-designed engines. Chinese fighter aircraft followed along a similar trajectory, though their designers were offered a little more creativity in terms of adding differing body kits to license-built Soviet planes.

Something, however, was missing from the Chinese aviation industry. The skilled fabricators and support staff were there, but there was no real push for engineering talent- particularly in the civil market.

It is unclear how long the Shanghai Aircraft Research Institute had been researching a large, narrow-body passenger aircraft prior to receiving the government’s blessing in August of 1970, but the will was clearly there. Or at least, convicted Gang of Four member Wang Hongwen believed there to be. As a major player in the isolationist factions of the Chinese Communist Party, he was, in some ways, running astray of Mao’s latest internationalist gambits by trying to achieve a self-sufficient aviation industry. Let us ignore that, however.



An American Airlines Boeing 707. Image: The Boeing Company

Development of the Y-10, China’s effort into the civilian airline category was an arduous process. The aerodynamics, while similar to the Boeing 707, are not identical. Some sources would compare the fuselage length to that of a 720.

Many have seen designs that have come from Chinese and Soviet manufactures that closely mirror those that were already produced in the west. It would seem at first glance that the Y-10 could have been a copy from the 707 or the 720, but I am not so sure.

If you were to ask me, I think it is more likely that the design for the Y-10 probably came from the Soviet designed original Tupolev TU-156.


The Tu-156 (first version) Not a cryo-methane powered aircraft, but a four-engine 707-like beast. – Drawing: Konstantinos Panitsidis

The PVO (Soviet Air Defense Force) had wanted an all-jet aircraft to replace their outdated Tu-126 early warning aircraft. The platform was so well designed that it was to become a “multi-mission” capable platform. Beriev Aircraft Company had been ordered to design a maritime patrol and anti-submarine version, while some of the smaller players asked to turn it into a tanker, and Aeroflot began to express interest in using the plane as a long-range passenger aircraft.

The design went nowhere, but if you look closely at the dimensions and aerodynamics, you can see that the DNA might have found its way into China ten or so years after the Soviet napkin drawings.

Because of the fact that the Tu-156 never progressed beyond the blueprint phase, it is unlikely that there was ever a wiring schematic drawn, avionics chosen, or even engines specifically paired.

Hopping back across the Sino-Soviet split, we can see that there was clearly no external design support for any of those systems back in Shanghai. The nose, if there was any technology transfer, was clearly redesigned to accommodate the five-man flight crew. There was still a matter of the engines.

Development of the Shanghai Y-10 had begun to become so prolonged that the decision was made to power it with Pratt & Whitney JT3D-7 engines that had been purchased as spares with CAAC’s order of the Boeing 707-3J6.



Above video shows the Shanghai Y-10 taking flight. Via YouTube


If the aircraft actually flew on September 26, 1980 is a matter of debate. Many people insist that, yes, it did briefly lumber into the air. I am rather suspect of this claim. I believe that the aircraft eventually took off a few weeks later and then was pressed into touring all of the major Chinese cities.

For a flight test piece, it was low on hours before retirement in 1984- only 170 hours. Furthermore, this was done in 130 flights.

It was apparent to everyone that this aircraft was a failure. The test articles were withdrawn from service, and only one was placed in any kind of museum.


Shortly after, McDonnell Douglas was approached to launch the trunkliner program, which allowed China to construct MD-80 family aircraft to be used for civil aviation. Every single Chinese MD-80 was constructed by SAIC in what would have been the Y-10 factory.

The Y-10 might have had a short life, but it is likely that the Chinese were able to learn quite a bit about the successes and failures of building their own airliner. Let’s all hope that they have better luck with the Comac C919.

 

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I am glad someone tell the story about Y-10. As an aero-engine engineer,I heard about it quite a lot.
Despite some highlights,it was a sad story. The project should not be started at the first place.At that time it was way beyond our financial and technical capability. Considering what they had, those guys of the project did a great job.But it was not enough. It fell far behind its competitor at safety,reliability,durability and economical efficiency.

Competition in civil aviation is more cutthroat because customer want and could buy the best from market.

Good luck, C919
 

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China is reportedly in talks to buy into Canada's Boeing rival
May 18, 2017, 3:52 PM 6,847

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Bombardier may be about to receive a fresh injection of cash from the far east.

According to the FT's Don Weinland and Peggy Hollinger, the Commercial Aircraft Corporation of China (COMAC) has held discussions to either buy a stake in Bombardier's beleaguered commercial aircraft division or its next generation C-Series airliner program.

"Everything is on the table," a person familiar with the talks told the FT.

Even though the two companies have held discussions, the FT clarified that no decision is "imminent".

Over the past few years, Bombardier's commercial aircraft division has struggled to recoup the billions of dollars invested in the development of the company's attempt to compete with the Boeing 737 and Airbus A320 families of airliners.

Even though the Bombardier C-Series has received critical acclaim, the aircraft has been beset by delays and slow sales. Delta Air Lines is the C-Series's largest customer with an order for 75 aircraft valued at $5.6 billion at list prices.

As a result, Bombardier has been forced to accept roughly $3 billion in public bailouts over the past two years.

COMAC, China's state-owned commercial aircraft manufacturer, recently launched two new aircraft types. The ARJ21 regional jet is currently in service, while the Airbus A320-sized C919 airliner flew for the first time this month. Even though both represent the latest in Chinese commercial aviation engineering, neither aircraft can approach the performance capabilities and cutting-edge technology of Bombardier's C-Series.

However, the two companies are no strangers when it comes to cooperation. Bombardier and COMAC have been working together for the better part of a decade to find synergies between the C-Series and the C919 programs.

Bombardier was not immediately available for comment.

http://www.businessinsider.com/china-comac-bombardier-canadas-investment-2017-5
 

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China-Russia joint venture to develop wide-body commercial jet
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Top management of Commercial Aircraft Corp of China and Russia's United Aircraft Corp unveils the nameplate of their new joint venture named China-Russia Commercial Aircraft International Co Ltd in Shanghai on May 22, 2017. (Photo provided to chinadaily.com.cn)

A new joint venture involving Commercial Aircraft Corp of China (COMAC) and Russia's United Aircraft Corp (UAC) was established in Shanghai on Monday. The company will mainly be responsible for the research and operation of a wide-body commercial jet co-developed by the two countries.

The Shanghai-based company, named China-Russia Commercial Aircraft International Co Ltd (CRAIC), has officially registered and obtained a business license.

The wide-body aircraft is expected to be delivered in 10 years, according to a timetable announced by COMAC last November at the Zhuhai Airshow.

The project signals the two countries' ambitions to compete in the wide-body market, dominated by United States aircraft manufacturer Boeing Co and Europe's Airbus Group. Research and development for the new jet will be conducted in Moscow, with assembly being done in Shanghai.

Witnessed by President Xi Jinping and his Russian counterpart, COMAC and UAC signed a pact in June last year to co-develop a wide-body jet.

The 280-seat jet will have a range of 12,000 kilometers. According to COMAC and UAC, they plan to build an economical and efficient jet incorporating heavy use of composite materials. The project will soon start its initial design and the two parties will discuss with system and equipment suppliers.


 

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MC-21, Russia's Answer to Boeing, Performs Its Maiden Flight (PHOTO, VIDEO)
© Sputnik/ Sergey Mamontov

Russia's advanced MС-21 passenger plane carried out its maiden flight on Sunday, Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin said; the country's United Aircraft Corporation hopes the jet will become a formidable contender in an industry dominated by Boeing and Airbus.

Sunday saw the maiden flight of a state-of-the-art passenger plane, Russia's MC-21, according to the country's Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin.

He published photos of the jet in the air on his Twitter page, writing "We are flying."

Летаем) pic.twitter.com/MAJdlwRCD9

— Дмитрий Рогозин (@Rogozin) 28 мая 2017 г.

Later, the United Aircraft Corporation shared a video featuring the view from the MC-21 cockpit.

The MC-21 is a twin-engine short-and mid-range airliner with a capacity of 150-212 passengers. The presentation of the aircraft took place in June 2016 in the Russian city of Irkutsk.

In January, Rogozin announced that the tests of the new aircraft would start at the beginning of spring.


© SPUTNIK/ SERGEY MAMONTOV

The MC-21 On May 25, he said that there were currently 185 standing orders for the aircraft.

Meanwhile, many photos and videos of the MC-21's maiden flight have been published by the employees of the Irkutsk Aviation Plant.

UAC subsidiary Irkut Corporation is betting big with the MC-21, its newest airliner. The hope is that the aircraft will be competing directly against the Boeing-737 and the Airbus A-320 in the most capacious segment of the global commercial aviation market: mid-range travel.

Russian observers expect the MC-21 to fare well against the US and European heavyweights.

2017-05-28> The MC-21 Aircraft Successfully Completes Maiden Flight >At Irkutsk Aviation Plant
pic by https://t.co/7eIVhoLhBR #avgeek #MC21 pic.twitter.com/Hvh0jVkFUv

— SJet (@SJet_) 28 мая 2017 г.
The MC-21 is designed to be faster, more efficient, and less expensive than its Western counterparts, having incorporated the latest in the fields of aircraft construction, engine technology and avionics systems in its design.


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For instance, while the Airbus A-320 and Boeing-737 have cruising speeds of 828 km/h and 842 km/h, respectively, the MC-21 is expected to have a cruising speed of 870 km/h.

Furthermore, the plane's cost per unit is expected to run somewhere in the neighborhood of $72-$85 million US, depending on the given modification.

Its Western analogues, by contrast, can run tens of millions more in their base price.
 

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China urges Germany to help jumbo jet C919 get EU airworthiness certificate
Xinhua | Updated: 2017-06-01 09:09




Chinese Premier Li Keqiang (R) attends a welcome ceremony held by German chancellor Angela Merkel before an annual meeting between Chinese and German heads of government in Berlin, Germany, May 31, 2017. [Photo/Xinhua]


BERLIN - Visiting Chinese Premier Li Keqiang on Wednesday called on Germany to help China-developed large passenger plane C919 get an airworthiness certificate from the European Union.

Li made the call during his talks with German Chancellor Angela Merkel in Berlin. He is on an official visit to Germany for an annual meeting between the two heads of government, a mechanism that has been in place since 2004.

The twin-engine C919 made a maiden flight on May 5 in Shanghai with five crew members on board but no passengers. The success makes China the fourth jumbo jet producer after the United States, Western Europe and Russia.

With a standard range of 4,075 km, the narrow-body jet is comparable with updated Airbus 320 and Boeing's new generation 737 planes, signaling the country's entry into the global aviation market.

China has taken pride in developing the homegrown jumbo jet, regarding it as a symbol of national strength.

In 2007, the State Council approved plans to develop a large passenger jet. In November 2015, the first C919 jet rolled off the assembly line. More than 200,000 technicians worked on the project.

A total of 23 foreign and domestic customers, including China's national carrier Air China, had placed orders for 570 aircraft as of May 5, according to COMAC, the manufacturer.

COMAC has to seek airworthiness certificates from domestic and foreign aviation safety regulators before making its first deliveries slated for around 2019.

Airworthiness is the measure of an aircraft's suitability for safe flight.
 

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i doubt......

when russian airliner don't get the globle buyers , how would the chinese which is having the copies of russian equipments on board....

who can dare to take chance in air !!!
 

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Is that information or a troll?
Is it a troll checking 50 cent Army claims of toppling Airbus? I consider it a duty to make them face reality. If you can't make competitive engines you are in control of nothing.
 

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Congrats to PRC, and Comac. Hopefully, one day, India will also make its own passenger jet, even if it flies with imported turbines.

On the other hand, Yakovlev/Irkut/UAC of Russia has flown their MS-21.
 

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Is it a troll checking 50 cent Army claims of toppling Airbus? I consider it a duty to make them face reality. If you can't make competitive engines you are in control of nothing.
Ha Ha...............:biggrin2: even most of the critical parts are imported.
 

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Congrats to PRC, and Comac. Hopefully, one day, India will also make its own passenger jet, even if it flies with imported turbines.

On the other hand, Yakovlev/Irkut/UAC of Russia has flown their MS-21.
First hand we need to create a value chain for the defence industry and decrease imports and think about passenger jets.
 

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