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ARJ21 AC108 returns to Shanghai after route adaptability flight in northeast China



ARJ21 AC108 completed route adaptability flight in northeast China on December 17th, 2017.

ARJ21-700 AC108 completed route adaptability flight and returned to Shanghai from Harbin on December 17th, 2017. The aircraft took off from Harbin Taiping International Airport at 9:28 a.m. and landed at Shanghai Dachang Airbase successfully at 12:06 after a flight of two hours and 38 minutes.

It is reported that since flying to Harbin on November 25th, AC108 has taken Harbin Taiping Airport as the main base and conducted route adaptability flight among seven regional airports in Harbin, Heihe, Fuyuan, Jiamusi, Mohe, Wudalianchi and Changbai Mountains in 19 flight days. The aircraft has conducted more than 60 flights and accumulated about 61 flight hours. Among those areas, some have a minimum temperature of lower than -30℃. The adaptability of the aircraft and the manuals in extreme cold condition was fully verified, and simulation verification to the serviceability and the operation supporting capability was conducted. During the route adaptability flight, AC108 has flown to Mohe Airport, the northernmost airport in China and Fuyuan Airport, the easternmost airport in China for the first time.

This route adaptability flight especially fostered the serviceability of the ARJ21-700 aircraft in cold conditions, created favorable conditions for subsequently putting ARJ21-700 aircraft into route operation in northeast China,and inspected the operation supporting system of Commercial Aircraft Corporation of China, Ltd. (COMAC) for ARJ21-700 aircraft in extreme cold conditions and at regional airports. It is of great significance for putting ARJ21-700 aircraft into operation in Heilongjiang as soon as possible, further expanding the market, and promoting the development of civil aviation industry in northeast China. Chengdu Airlines is scheduled to operate ARJ21-700 aircraft in the regional routes in Heilongjiang in 2018.


ARJ21-700 AC108 landed at Changbaishan Airport on December 15th, 2017.
 

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*sigh* Yes they both have wings and four engines. It's definitely a copy....

Are you drunk or high?




The AG600 is significantly longer, has a greater heihht, has a larger wingspan, more powerful engines and significantly heavier max take-off weight but it's somehow a "carbon copy" of its smaller Japanese counterpart?

Shin Maywa US2
General characteristics

  • Crew: 11
  • Capacity: 20 passengers or 12 stretchers
  • Length: 33.46 m (109 ft 9 in)
  • Wingspan: 33.15 m (108 ft 9 in)
  • Height: 9.8 m (32 ft 2 in)
  • Wing area: 135.8 m2 (1,462 sq ft)
  • Empty weight: 25,630 kg (56,504 lb)
  • Gross weight: 43,000 kg (94,799 lb) water take-off
  • Max takeoff weight: 47,700 kg (105,160 lb) land take-off
  • Powerplant: 4 × Rolls-Royce AE 2100J turboprop, 3,424 kW (4,592 hp) each
  • Powerplant: 1 × LHTEC T800 turboshaft Boundary layer control compressor, 1,017 kW (1,364 hp)
  • Propellers: 6-bladed Dowty R414
Performance
  • Maximum speed: 560 km/h (348 mph; 302 kn)
  • Cruise speed: 480 km/h (298 mph; 259 kn) at 6,000 m (20,000 ft)
  • Range: 4,700 km (2,920 mi; 2,538 nmi)
  • Service ceiling: 7,195 m (23,606 ft)
  • Takeoff distance on ground at MTOW: 490 m (1,610 ft)
  • Landing distance on ground at MTOW: 1,500 m (4,900 ft)
  • Takeoff distance on water at Loaded weight: 280 m (920 ft)
  • Landing distance on water at Loaded weight: 330 m (1,080 ft)
AG 600
General characteristics

  • Capacity: 50 passengers
  • Length: 36.9 m (121 ft 1 in)
  • Wingspan: 38.8 m (127 ft 4 in)
  • Height: 12.1 m (39 ft 8 in)
  • Max takeoff weight: 53,500 kg (117,947 lb)
  • Powerplant: 4 × WJ-6 turboprops, 3,805 kW (5,103 hp) each
  • Propellers: 6-bladed constant speed propellers
Performance
  • Maximum speed: 570 km/h (354 mph; 308 kn)
  • Range: 5,500 km (3,418 mi; 2,970 nmi)
  • Service ceiling: 10,500 m (34,400 ft)
They dont even look alike. Unless you're implying that by virtue of being a four-engine, turbo prop amphibious plane, its a copy of the US2

WRT the C919, the MC21 from Russia and the C300 from Canada look almost exactly alike... Are they all copies of the A320?

Your post reads like a child's. Even Boeing's 737 looks somewhat like all the plane's in that category, doesn't make them all copies of Each other. Two engines Two wings, two tails, two wings and a single isle... I gues their all "carbon copies" of Each other.

Bombadier C300

Airbus A320

Boeing 737

Embraer ERJ195

It out MC21

COMAC C919


But I guess for the sake of originality, COMAC should have placed the wings forward of the tail and had the engines placed under the fuselage on the C919 to pe-empt bogus "copy claims" from the likes of you...
Canada's Bombardier Aerospace has been collaborating since March 2012 on supply chain services, electrical systems, human interface and cockpit; and on flight training, flight-test support, and sales and marketing, from June 2013.[15]
 

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ARJ21 AC108 returns to Shanghai after route adaptability flight in northeast China



ARJ21 AC108 completed route adaptability flight in northeast China on December 17th, 2017.

ARJ21-700 AC108 completed route adaptability flight and returned to Shanghai from Harbin on December 17th, 2017. The aircraft took off from Harbin Taiping International Airport at 9:28 a.m. and landed at Shanghai Dachang Airbase successfully at 12:06 after a flight of two hours and 38 minutes.

It is reported that since flying to Harbin on November 25th, AC108 has taken Harbin Taiping Airport as the main base and conducted route adaptability flight among seven regional airports in Harbin, Heihe, Fuyuan, Jiamusi, Mohe, Wudalianchi and Changbai Mountains in 19 flight days. The aircraft has conducted more than 60 flights and accumulated about 61 flight hours. Among those areas, some have a minimum temperature of lower than -30℃. The adaptability of the aircraft and the manuals in extreme cold condition was fully verified, and simulation verification to the serviceability and the operation supporting capability was conducted. During the route adaptability flight, AC108 has flown to Mohe Airport, the northernmost airport in China and Fuyuan Airport, the easternmost airport in China for the first time.

This route adaptability flight especially fostered the serviceability of the ARJ21-700 aircraft in cold conditions, created favorable conditions for subsequently putting ARJ21-700 aircraft into route operation in northeast China,and inspected the operation supporting system of Commercial Aircraft Corporation of China, Ltd. (COMAC) for ARJ21-700 aircraft in extreme cold conditions and at regional airports. It is of great significance for putting ARJ21-700 aircraft into operation in Heilongjiang as soon as possible, further expanding the market, and promoting the development of civil aviation industry in northeast China. Chengdu Airlines is scheduled to operate ARJ21-700 aircraft in the regional routes in Heilongjiang in 2018.


ARJ21-700 AC108 landed at Changbaishan Airport on December 15th, 2017.
Different sources claim the ARJ21 closely resembles either the McDonnell Douglas MD-80 or the MD-90 which were license-produced in China.[31][32] Chinese factories producing parts for the MD-90 went on to produce the ARJ21 using tooling retained after the end of the MD-80/MD-90 licensed production program..[citation needed] China claims that the ARJ21 is a completely indigenous design[33][34][35] in spite of the fact that production drawings seen for the fuselage during development were simply McDonnell Douglas drawings with the identifying legend overlaid with a Chinese legend.[citation needed] The ARJ21's development did depend heavily on foreign suppliers, including engines and avionics from the United States. The ARJ21 features an all-new supercritical wing having a sweepback of 25 degrees and designed by Ukraine’s Antonov Design Bureau. It is fitted with winglets to improve aerodynamic performance.[36][37][38] Antonov also assisted the project with geometrical determination and integral analysis of the construction strength of ARJ21.[36] Some of China's supercomputers have been used to design parts for ARJ21.[39]
 

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China claims that the ARJ21 is a completely indigenous design[33][34][35] in spite of the fact that production drawings seen for the fuselage during development were simply McDonnell Douglas drawings with the identifying legend overlaid with a Chinese legend.[citation needed]
This is the part where I call BULLSH*T...

How can production drawings for the fuselage of both aircraft be identical if both the MD80 and the MD90 are significantly longer and heavier than the ARJ21? Both the MD80 and MD90 carry more passengers, have larger wings and have a significantly larger MTOW(ARJ21 95 900 lbs - MD90 166 000 lbs MD80 - 149 000lbs). How can the ARJ21 drawings be a copy of either if they don't even have the same dimensions or specifications?

It's easy to edit a Wikipedia page and claim all sorts of nonsense, but no citation, source or refference is provided for this particular "insight". Learn to quote reliable source material mate.
 

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This is the part where I call BULLSH*T...

How can production drawings for the fuselage of both aircraft be identical if both the MD80 and the MD90 are significantly longer and heavier than the ARJ21? Both the MD80 and MD90 carry more passengers, have larger wings and have a significantly larger MTOW(ARJ21 95 900 lbs - MD90 166 000 lbs MD80 - 149 000lbs). How can the ARJ21 drawings be a copy of either if they don't even have the same dimensions or specifications?

It's easy to edit a Wikipedia page and claim all sorts of nonsense, but no citation, source or refference is provided for this particular "insight". Learn to quote reliable source material mate.
MD-80 Frankenstein
Early problems with the ARJ21 included avionics and wing cracks. For example, in early static testing, the wings broke or cracked when put under pressure before reaching the average pressure point set by regulators. Because of this, the CAAC limited the plane’s flight envelope during the test program. In addition, tests uncovered faulty wiring. Testing for icing and stall speeds were also postponed. The perpetual problems led aviators and avgeeks to refer to the ARJ21 as an MD-80 Frankenstein with a little CRJ and unreliability mixed in.


The ARJ-21 looks awfully familiar to the original MD-80 shown here. Photo Bill Abbott (Wikipedia)
The ARJ21 is partially built on specs from the old MD80, thanks to the presence of U.S. manufacturers in China. McDonnell Douglas was operating an MD80 manufacturing facility in Shaghai prior to its merger with Boeing, thanks to a lucrative deal inked in the early 90s. During this time period, presses and other parts were shipped from the United States to the Douglas facility. This gave the Chinese access to Western technology.

Once Boeing merged with McDonnell Douglas, production of the MD80 ceased, marking the end of an era. After abandoning the final MD80 and MD90 assembly lines in China after about 30 frames, Aviation Industrial Company inherited McDonnell Douglas tooling.

China Announces Regional Airliner Project
It did not take long before China was announcing it’s “new” regional airliner project, unveiling a design that was eerily similar to the MD80 design. COMAC officials in Shanghai vehemently defend the ARJ21 as an original design. However, despite COMAC’s protests to the contrary, it is commonly accepted that the ARJ21 is fundamentally a redesign of the DC9. There is a general consensus throughout the industry that the ARJ21 is an incarnation of the MD-80 airframe as well, especially since the initial phase of the ARJ21 life cycle began after Boeing made an agreement with COMAC to make a larger version of the MD87.

The ARJ21 was originally launched way back in 2002. It is essentially a reengineered MD-80 with a body shrunk down to regional jet dimensions. It features a new wing designed by Antonov and General Electric GE CF34 turbofans. The aircraft, which has been dogged by issues that led to the lengthy certification delays and major redesigns, has a list price of about $30 million which is a fraction of the cost of jets sold in the West. In spite of the lower price tag, the ARJ21 is significantly more expensive to operate since it is much heavier than traditional Western jets, and therefore, consumes much more expensive jet fuel.
https://www.avgeekery.com/is-chinas...inning-of-chinas-rise-in-commercial-aviation/
 

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A delegation from the Congolese Transport Ministry including the Transport Minister pictured below visited Chengdu Airlines for a flight on COMAC's regional aircraft ARJ21-700.

His comments on the flight is handwritten below, for those fluent in French:wink:




 

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First CJ-1000AX demonstrator destined for the C919 assembled.

China completes assembly of first high-bypass turbofan engine
29 DECEMBER, 2017
SOURCE: FLIGHTGLOBAL.COM BY: STEPHEN TRIMBLE

A Chinese manufacturer has completed an 18-month assembly process for the first CJ-1000AX demonstrator engine for the Comac C919 airliner, a government ministry says on 29 December.

The demonstrator will be used to help validate the engine’s advanced technologies, China’s Ministry of Industry and Information Technology (MIIT) says in a news release.

China plans to build 24 more CJ-1000A prototype engines to support an airworthiness certification campaign, with entry into service targeted after 2021.

The news release reveals two new dimensions of the indigenous Chinese rival to the CFM International Leap-1C to power the C919.

The CJ-1000AX has a diameter of 1.95m (76.8in) and a length of 3.29m (10.7ft), the release says. That compares to the 1.98m diameter and 3.32m length of the Leap-1C. The shorter length of the CJ-1000AX is likely explained by a design that compared to the Leap-1C uses one fewer stage of rotating blades in the low pressure turbine.

In many other respects, the Chinese manufacturer – AECC Commercial Aircraft Engine (ACAE) – and CFM use a similar configuration, with a two-spool layout, featuring a one-stage fan, three-stage booster, 10-stage high-pressure compressor and two-stage high-pressure turbine. The CJ-1000AX uses six stages in the low pressure turbine, compared to seven in the Leap-1C.

But the engine designs also reveal sharp differences in the use of advanced technologies. ACAE has not selected a fan drive gear system for the CJ-1000A, but it does use Rolls-Royce-style hollow-titanium, wide-chord fan blades, according to the MIIT release. By contrast, CFM uses an equal number of 18 blades, but they are made of carbonfibre.

The MIIT release also discloses that ACAE is 3D printing the fuel nozzles for the CJ-1000AX’s single-annular combustor.

In 2012, a Texas-based consultancy named Lucintel published a turbofan market forecast showing plans by China to develop three versions of the CJ-1000. A roughly 25,000lb-thrust CJ-1000AX demonstrator would come first, followed by a 28,000lb-thrust “A” version for production and finally a roughly 27,000lb-thrust “B” model for extended range aircraft.





The laser drilling machine developed by the Xi‘an Institute of Optics and Fine Mechanics used in the processing of single crystal turbine blade’s cooling holes. http://www.xab.cas.cn/kxyj/kydt/201801/t20180110_4931266.html




 

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First CJ-1000AX demonstrator destined for the C919 assembled.
The laser drilling machine developed by the Xi‘an Institute of Optics and Fine Mechanics used in the processing of single crystal turbine blade’s cooling holes. http://www.xab.cas.cn/kxyj/kydt/201801/t20180110_4931266.html




So let me get this straight... your solution to fractured compressor blades is to drill holes in it? :rofl:

Dude, the whole point is to make it more efficient, not less efficient. You are supposed to be designing super hard resistant tips so they don't break, not drilling holes into a poorly made blade.
 

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The AG600 performs it second test flight on worth January 2018, a full month after it December 24th 2018 first flight.


 

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So let me get this straight... your solution to fractured compressor blades is to drill holes in it? :rofl:

Dude, the whole point is to make it more efficient, not less efficient. You are supposed to be designing super hard resistant tips so they don't break, not drilling holes into a poorly made blade.
I would marvel at how your knowledge in aero-engine design and manufacturing rivals that of actual engineers or point out that perforated engine blades are hardly exclusive to Chinese engines,

But I know you're just trolling and I don't have the time or patience for ignorant arguments from you today. Have a pleasant day my good man.
 

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Progress on the Sino-Russian CR929 wide-body airliner project:

Trial-production of CR929 full-size composite fuselage panel (15×6m)



The manufacturing process.

 

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ARJ21 is in Europe this week, pictured here in Bergen, Norway having departed Helsinki earlier that day. Iceland next:

 

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http://www.chinanews.com/m/gn/2018/03-07/8461397.shtml

China-made large aircraft C919 third airliner to fly in Shanghai this year
March 07, 2018 00:43 China News Network

China-made large aircraft C919 the third passenger plane will fly in Shanghai this year

China News agency, Beijing, March 6 (reporter Zheng) representatives of the National People's Congress, Chinese commercial Aircraft Limited liability company deputy General Manager, C919 large passenger aircraft chief designer Glorious 6th in the 13 session of the National People's Congress Shanghai delegation plenary meeting revealed that, C919 's third passenger plane is expected to debut at the fifth runway of Shanghai's Pudong airport by the end of this year.


Data map: C919. Yinliqin, Journalist of China New Society
C919 Jumbo aircraft is China's first fully based on the international advanced Airworthiness standards and the mainstream market standards independent research and development of a single-channel trunk plane. May 5, 2017, C919 first passenger plane flew successfully in Shanghai. The same year December 17, C919 second passenger plane in Shanghai "soaring".

Wu Guanghui introduced that, so far, the two planes have flown in total 23 sorties.

"I haven't been flying in a while, and a lot of people have asked me if it was an accident, but we're quite normal," Wu Guanghui said.

He also revealed that next year there are three aircraft to be the maiden flight, the entire airworthiness forensics test total of 6 aircraft involved.

On the airworthiness review, Wu Guanghui said C919 will conduct joint audits through CAAC and the European Airworthiness authority to ensure that the aircraft achieves the best and safest status. It is reported that the China Civil Aviation Administration (CAAC) in 2010 accepted the C919 Model certificate application. 2016, the European Aviation Safety Agency (EASA) accepted the C919 model certificate application.

Wu Guanghui said that China Commercial Aircraft Co., Ltd. is fully committed to speeding up the development of C919, the current C919 international and domestic users up to 28, 815 orders, "We C919 is a market-popular aircraft." ”

In addition, China Commercial Aircraft Co., Ltd. also plans to deliver 15 ARJ21 new regional aircraft this year, in addition, the Sino-Russian Joint long-range wide-body passenger aircraft CR929 is also under development. Finish)
 

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http://english.cctv.com/2018/02/26/ARTIEci9WnDlAdrbMIrC1FGy180226.shtml
China's C919 receives 30 new orders
Editor: zhenglimin 丨Xinhua

02-26-2018 18:28 BJT

BEIJING, Feb. 26 (Xinhua) -- China's C919 large passenger aircraft has received 30 new orders from a domestic leasing company, taking total orders to 815.



Commercial Aircraft Corporation of China (COMAC) signed a purchase agreement with China Huarong Financial Leasing Co., Ltd. for 30 C919 and 20 ARJ21 on Monday in Beijing.

To date, C919 has gained 815 orders from 28 customers home and abroad. ARJ21 orders have hit 453 from 21 customers.

China Huarong Financial Leasing Co., Ltd is a subsidiary of China Huarong Asset Management Co., Ltd, one of the country's largest asset management companies.

"We expect to establish a comprehensive cooperative relationship with COMAC," said Lai Xiaomin, chairman of China Huarong Asset Management Co., Ltd.

COMAC's ARJ21, a regional aircraft with 90 economy seats, was delivered to Chengdu Airlines in late 2015. To date, it has carried 49,000 passengers, the company said.

The C919 is in the test flight phase following a successful maiden flight on May 5, 2017. The narrow-body jumbo was developed to rival the updated Airbus A320 and the new Boeing B737.

COMAC has also set up a joint venture with a Russian state company to build wide-body passenger jet CR929. It said the joint development is now in full swinging.
 

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Is this the chinese fake plane we're discussing here.....no man I won't fly on any Chinese junk........:scared2::scared2::scared2::nono::nono::nono:
Yes, its the same plane that you and @Armand2REP want to crash. You had better fly in an Indian airliner then. Oh wait...

It has now been 3 months since the last recorded test flight of a plane that was averaging 9 flights a month.
I'd rather not rehash you fantasies. But...

How does a plane that's flown 17 times last year since May 2017 "average 9 flights a month"? Basic maths puts that average at roughly 2 flights a month as at December 2017.
 
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Yes, its the same plane that you and @Armand2REP want to crash. You had better fly in an Indian airliner then. Oh wait...



I'd rather not rehash you fantasies. But...

How does a plane that's flown 17 times last year since May 2017 "average 9 flights a month"? Basic maths puts that average at roughly 2 flights a month as at December 2017.
Last quarter of 2017 was average of 9 flights per month on one airframe. 1st quarter of 2017 with two airframes and not a single test flight. Something went very bad.
 

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