Comac set to deliver China's first passenger jets

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They operate an exclusively 737 fleet and have recently put in another order for a 100 more.
actually, i think that you guys and Airbus can steal Boinegs thunder if you play your cards right as apart from the 737 series the Boys from Seattle do not have much while the C-919 and the Airbus Bombardier C-series can easily outmatch the 737 series
 

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https://www.caixinglobal.com/2017-11-14/china-lands-eu-aviation-safety-deal-101170514.html

China Lands EU Aviation-Safety Deal
By Huang Rong and Mo Yelin


China has been in negotiations with the EU and the U.S. for years to get its aviation standards recognized by international regulators. The deals should make it easier for China’s domestically produced aircraft, such as Commercial Aircraft Corp. of China’s C919 (pictured), to be used outside the country. Photo: IC
China and the European Union have agreed to recognize each other’s aircraft product-safety standards, one month after Beijing inked a similar deal with the U.S.

The agreement, which will take effect by the end of 2018, was announced Monday by China’s civil aviation authority.

China has been in negotiations with the EU and the U.S. for years to get its aviation standards recognized by international regulators. The deals should make it easier for China’s domestically produced aircraft to be used outside the country.


“It’s a great coup and success for Beijing,” said Saj Ahmad of StrategicAero Research, a Europe-based consultancy. “The agreement between the EU and China will strengthen the Chinese aviation and aerospace sectors in terms of developing new airplanes.”

But it is unclear whether Chinese aircraft can be directly exported to Europe after approval from the Civil Aviation Administration of China (CAAC).

As with the China-U.S. deal, signatory countries can still request reviews on an individual basis. Beijing and the EU have “agreed to a general principle of reciprocity, but further negotiations will still be needed for a specific range of products,” said Xu Chaoqun, an official from the CAAC.

China has been working for years to break the aviation duopoly held by Boeing Co. and Airbus Group SE. This year it has scored several successes. In May, its homegrown passenger jet, the C919 — designed and constructed by state-owned Commercial Aircraft Corp. of China (COMAC) — made its maiden flight.

The C919 is currently undergoing an airworthiness certification review by the European Aviation Safety Agency. Experts said the new agreement could accelerate that process and give COMAC a boost to enter the European market.

“By conforming to European or Western aviation standards, it allows COMAC to better position its products to airlines in the EU, which would only otherwise look at Airbus A320s or Boeing 737s,” Ahmad said.

In September, COMAC said that the C919 had landed 130 new orders, bringing the total number to 730.

However, most of COMAC’s current clients are domestic airlines, with only 10% coming from overseas buyers, according to the company’s chief accountant, Tian Min.

But with the new deals, “cooperation on airplane certification and production standards will alleviate concerns for airlines because they know that the C919 and any other future Chinese-built airplane will be manufactured to the highest standards,” Ahmed said.

Contact reporter Mo Yelin ([email protected])
 

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actually, i think that you guys and Airbus can steal Boinegs thunder if you play your cards right as apart from the 737 series the Boys from Seattle do not have much while the C-919 and the Airbus Bombardier C-series can easily outmatch the 737 series
The C-Series is heavily laden with new technology, probably why the Ottawa government pressured Bombadier to not sell it o the Chinese company that just bought the Q400 division. I have no doubt that the C-Series could give the Boeng 727-Max a run for its money.

The same is true for the A320 family. Airbus has plenty of experience and an established tech base, enough to compete with Boeng's 737 offerings.

COMAC in comparison to those 3 is relatively new to short-to-medium haul commercial airliner business, so I'd give it another decade before they could compete with Boeing, Airbus and Bombadier globally.

COMAC's biggest advantage would be that the Chinese commercial airline market is the largest in the world, and is still growing. Boeing, Airbus and Bombadier are scrambling to build assemblies in China to grab large chunks of that market. Local orders from Chengdu airlines, air china and the like will allow COMAC to cement their presence in the local airliner market before they can challenge Boeing internationally.
 

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The C-Series is heavily laden with new technology, probably why the Ottawa government pressured Bombadier to not sell it o the Chinese company that just bought the Q400 division. I have no doubt that the C-Series could give the Boeng 727-Max a run for its money.

The same is true for the A320 family. Airbus has plenty of experience and an established tech base, enough to compete with Boeng's 737 offerings.

COMAC in comparison to those 3 is relatively new to short-to-medium haul commercial airliner business, so I'd give it another decade before they could compete with Boeing, Airbus and Bombadier globally.

COMAC's biggest advantage would be that the Chinese commercial airline market is the largest in the world, and is still growing. Boeing, Airbus and Bombadier are scrambling to build assemblies in China to grab large chunks of that market. Local orders from Chengdu airlines, air china and the like will allow COMAC to cement their presence in the local airliner market before they can challenge Boeing internationally.
Bombardier C-series is not a rival for A-320, B-737, C-919 or MS-21.
It is a rival for Embraer ERJ and Sukhoi Superjet-100 regional jets.

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Bombardier C-series is not a rival for A-320, B-737, C-919 or MS-21.
It is a rival for Embraer ERJ and Sukhoi Superjet-100 regional jets.

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Bomabadiers CSeries is a SERIES of aircraft of varying sizes, the largest of which is the CS300.

The CS300 is comparable in size and carrying capacity to the C919, 737 and A320 mate. It's economy class is said to be one of the most comfortable in its class.

 
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No substance and the same old BS. Pulling figures out of your ass again?

Leasing companies are a global phenomena. They constitute a huge percentage of order volumes for both Boeing and Airbus. I don't see either complaining. Both Boeing and Airbus have well-funded internal departments solely dedicated to retaining and growing their leasing company customer base.

Airliners are not bicycles my Indian friend. Your unsubstantiated, simplistic argument is kind of sad. I expect more from a troll of your pedigree.

Chinese leasing companies have been solely dependent on Boeing and Airbus for their short-to-medium commercial air-liner requirements. Both companies invested heavily in China to exploit that market. Local leasing companies and airlines now have local alternatives in the C919, ARJ21 and future COMAC airliners under development.

The C919 is a win for China's aerospace designers, manufacturers airlines and its ECONOMY overall.

I'd ask you to stop trolling this thread again, but you've never contributed in any meaningful way to threads in the China sub-forum, so I wont hold my breath.
Go ahead and pat yourself on the back before any hurdle has been passed. Those orders are contingent on achieving FAA and EASA certification. They aren't buying freighters just to haul crap around China and the Congo.

The ARJ21 has been a failure for two reasons, the first is failure to achieve international safety certifications. The second and most important is its failure to achieve fuel efficiency comparable to other players in the market. I remember well when they were ordered by the hundreds and how many are in service today? Less than the number you can count on one hand.

Upon further inspection maybe the C919 will gain certfication... 90% of this plane isn't even made in China.

http://www.airframer.com/aircraft_detail.html?model=C919#18026

It wasn't even designed in China.
 
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Go ahead and pat yourself on the back before any hurdle has been passed. Those orders are contingent on achieving FAA and EASA certification. They aren't buying freighters just to haul crap around China and the Congo.

The ARJ21 has been a failure for two reasons, the first is failure to achieve international safety certifications. The second and most important is its failure to achieve fuel efficiency comparable to other players in the market. I remember well when they were ordered by the hundreds and how many are in service today? Less than the number you can count on one hand.

Upon further inspection maybe the C919 will gain certfication... 90% of this plane isn't even made in China.

http://www.airframer.com/aircraft_detail.html?model=C919#18026

With all of these imported components how cheap can you really sell it for?
90% of 'those orders" (ie 730) are all from Chinese airlines and Chinese leasing companies son. Certification from the CAAC is all they need. Considering the agreements recently signed with the EASA and FAA, CAAC safety certification will go a long way in gaining FAA and EASA certification.

The ARJ21 is a failure? In your opinion every Chinese airframe is a failure for one reason or another. It may have 413 commitments, but it only just got a production certificate allowing COMAC to enter batch production in July of this year.

Comac gains ARJ21 production certificate
  • 10 JULY, 2017
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/comac-gains-arj21-production-certificate-439148/

Did you expect COMAC to produce 413 aircraft in 4 months?

Aaah so now the C919 has a CHINI EXPERT safety certificate? COMAC must be so proud.
 

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Go ahead and pat yourself on the back before any hurdle has been passed. Those orders are contingent on achieving FAA and EASA certification. They aren't buying freighters just to haul crap around China and the Congo.

The ARJ21 has been a failure for two reasons, the first is failure to achieve international safety certifications. The second and most important is its failure to achieve fuel efficiency comparable to other players in the market. I remember well when they were ordered by the hundreds and how many are in service today? Less than the number you can count on one hand.

Upon further inspection maybe the C919 will gain certfication... 90% of this plane isn't even made in China.

http://www.airframer.com/aircraft_detail.html?model=C919#18026

It wasn't even designed in China.
Arj21 might not achieve a fuel efficiency comparable to other players, but it will cost less to operate Arj21 if the flight fleet keeps expanding because it's Chinese made.

ARJ21 is not going be a commercial success like C919 because it's not the kind of plane Chinese airlines are longing for. planes with capacity between 100 and 200, range between 3000km and 5000km are what urgently needed in the domestic market for the next two decades.

in business, the most successful product is not necessary the best one, but the one that suits the market. the goal for comac in the near future is not to built a plane that exceeds its international competitors, but a plane that is on par with them or in some aspect a little under par. if Comac can accomplish that, it is guaranteed to be a success in China.

it's possible that Chinese airlines might suffer loss economically in short term from switching to Chinese made planes, considering their past operation was built upon foreign planes. In the long term, they are going to benefit from supporting a domestic airliner provider.
 

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China has gotten automatic certification agreements with both FAA and EASA. Just within the past weeks. lol

Any aircraft certified by China will be certified in the US and EU as well.

We can pat ourselves on the back even more in the coming years! The truth is everything is being set up to go very fast from now on. If you hate China, you will be in a lot of pain.
 

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China has gotten automatic certification agreements with both FAA and EASA. Just within the past weeks. lol

Any aircraft certified by China will be certified in the US and EU as well.

We can pat ourselves on the back even more in the coming years! The truth is everything is being set up to go very fast from now on. If you hate China, you will be in a lot of pain.
that is not the case certification by CAAC doesn't automatically translate into certification by FAA.
 

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that is not the case certification by CAAC doesn't automatically translate into certification by FAA.
Not only that, the certifications for aircraft haven't changed, this agreement is for components. As all of the internals of C919 are of Western origin there will be no conflict.
 

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The second C919 prototype B001-C has completed a low speed taxi test and is scheduled to perform its first flight on the with of December 2017










 
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2nd C919 prototype successfully completes Shanghai inaugural flight
AIR


BY
HENRI KENHMANN

DECEMBER 17, 2017

This time at least, the Chinese aircraft manufacturer Commercial Aircraft Corporation of China (COMAC) kept its promise and this morning sent to Shanghai the second prototype of its medium-haul C919 program in the air.

The young Chinese aerospace manufacturer founded in May 2008 had announced on the Twitter account of its North American subsidiary that the aircraft, registered 10102 or B-001C, should make its first flight before the end of 2017, ie seven months after his eldest .

According to the COMAC website , the second C919 took off from Shanghai Pudong International Airport at approximately 10:34 am local time under the command of test pilot WU Xin (吴 鑫), who was himself assisted by the XU co-driver Yuan Zheng (徐 远征), observer Zou Li Xue (邹 礼 学) and two test engineers, DAI Wei (戴维) and LIU Li Zu (刘立 苏).

During the two hours of flight tests, the crew was able to check 29 control points, relating to the proper functioning of various aircraft on-board systems and the performance of flaps, landing gear and navigation systems. and communication, as well as engines in acceleration and deceleration.

The main COMAC officials and the certifying officers of the Civil Aviation Administration of China (CAAC) have all come to witness the flight from the ground control room in Shanghai.










The C919 program plans to build a total of six prototypes for flight tests and two more for ground tests, such as static and fatigue tests. COMAC will join in the coming years with the Chinese giant in aeronautics, the AVIC group, to obtain different certifications in China and elsewhere, essential for the sale and commercial operation of the aircraft.

In addition to the Yanliang Airfield, which is home to China Flight Test Establishment (CFTE), Dongying Shengli Airport (东营 胜利 机场, IATA code: DOY) in Shandong Province has also begun and will be served as the second main base for C919 test flights.

After the abandonment of the first Y-10 civil airliner program in 1983, the standard-equipped 168-seat C919, launched in September 2008, once again brings the Chinese aeronautics dream to life. a major industrial project, which aims to raise the technological level of all the national actors participating in the program, but also one of the flagship symbols of the country's politico-economic model, after the gigantic program of trains high speed which has made China the country with the largest TGV rail network in the world in less than 20 years, and also a country exporting technologies now associated.

Supported financially by public funds in part and strategically by advantageous policies, the C919 program quickly generated a fairly comfortable launch order book with a total of 785 aircraft from 27 mainly Chinese-Chinese customers. It is the Chinese airline China Eastern Airlines which should, hopefully, receive the first C919 by 2021.

Since May 5, 2017 when the first C919 made its maiden flight, the aircraft 10101 has totaled "only" 16 test flights, including 9 in November. The program is still only at its beginning and will have a long way to go before it can start a real commercial career ...


The number of flight tests of the C919 program by prototype (Image: East Pendulum)

http://www.eastpendulum.com/le-2e-prototype-c919-reussit-son-vol-inaugural-a-shanghai
 

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Boeing in talks to acquire jet maker Embraer of Brazil


An Embraer 190 passenger jet is towed to the Fort Lauderdale-Hollywood International Airport in Florida in 2015. Boeing is in talks to acquire the jetmaker. (Wilfredo Lee / AP)

Boeing is discussing a potential multibillion-dollar takeover of regional jet maker Embraer of Brazil. The move is widely seen as a counter to Airbus proposed acquisition of a majority stake in the new CSeries regional jet designed and built by Bombardier of Canada.
 

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http://www.eastpendulum.com/le-nouvel-hydravion-chinois-ag600-senvole-enfin

The new Chinese seaplane AG600 finally flies away
BY
HENRI KENHMANN


17 months after its roll-out of the final assembly plant of China Aviation Industry General Aircraft Co., Ltd. (CAIGA) in Zhuhai, the new Chinese AG600 floatplane flew away yesterday, on Christmas Eve, at Zhuhai-Jinwan Airport in southern China.


The aircraft-boat with a maximum mass of 53.5 tons took off around 9:39 am Beijing time under the watch of millions of Chinese viewers., The highly anticipated event since the beginning of the year was broadcast live on the national CCTV channel.

This first flight finally lasted 64 minutes, a little over an hour, as planned. The aircraft registered B-002A, with a crew of four on board, was accompanied throughout its flight by a light transport aircraft Y-12 equipped with optronic tracking equipment.

Hundreds of CAIGA personnel welcomed on the ground the return of this first AG600 which landed at 10:43 am in the morning. The plane then crossed a curtain of water, created by two fire lances placed on both sides of the runway, which symbolizes the welcome and welcome (接风 洗尘) according to Chinese tradition.


The aircraft accompanying the first "ground" flight of the AG600 (Photo: Richard Yip)


The first takeoff of AG600 in Zhuhai (Photo: Richard Yip)




It should be noted that as a security measure, the Chinese authorities decided to close the airspace at 3,600 meters above sea level in a zone of 5,067 km² southwest of Zhuhai, a measure that had not been company during the first flight of the other two Chinese "big planes", the Y-20 and the C919 . We also learn that the Chinese seaplane flew always below 3000 meters of ground for its first flight.

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If the China State Council, the main administrative civilian body of China, has sent its congratulations to the AVIC group in an official statement after the announcement of the success of this first flight of AG600, it is still necessary recall that the Chinese amphibious aircraft had initially planned to make its first flight "ground" before the end of 2016. But the reality of the field and a series of technical difficulties that ensued thereafter was different.

Indeed, the date of the inaugural flight is postponed for the first time at the end of March 2017, and the successful tests of the four engines in February had yet given the first positive signs to that. But the first test drive finally took place until April 29, 2017, and another test of low speed running in late May, before the radio silence for a few months.


It is at the end of July that news about the situation of the AG600 is new. In an article published on CAIGA's Weixin account on July 31, we learn that the deputy general manager of CAIGA's parent company, AVIC, went to Zhuhai with a team of experts to monitor the progress of the program. He asked the development team to analyze the "root causes" of the problems in progress and highlighted "the lack of experience (CAIGA) in tests and trials".

Among the experts who accompanied this visit was the Chief Scientist of Institute 601, another AVIC design office specializing in the design of transport and bomber aircraft. In particular, he exchanged with CAIGA's technical managers on topics such as "general aerodynamic configuration, hydraulic systems and structural stress".

In another article published a little later, it was said that some leaders of the Chinese aircraft manufacturer have asked CAIGA to do the necessary so that "the test pilots regain confidence in this aircraft".

After several months of investigation and work, a meeting led by five academicians, a senior official of the Chinese Ministry of Industry and Information as well as senior officials of the AVIC group and experts from academia, military and Air Authorities took place from December 1 to 3, during which the technical status of AG600 was reviewed and fully reviewed . The committee finally approved the quality of the aircraft and gave its approval for the first flight.


It should be noted that the AG600 has achieved only half of its true "maiden flight" since being a seaplane, it will also be necessary for it to make its first flight on the water for it to be complete.
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the AG600 and the Y-20, two of the three Chinese "big plane" projects at the Zhuhai Air Show in November 2016





Part of the three "Large Plane" projects approved by the Chinese state in 2006 as one of the aviation industry's top priorities with the Y-20 and C919, the AG600, officially known as "Large Amphibious Air Bomber" and Maritime Rescue ", can draw 12t of water in 20 seconds and drop them on a surface of 4,000 square meters at one time. Used for rescue missions at sea, the aircraft can carry up to 50 passengers.

According to the AVIC group, the aircraft can be transformed to perform other types of mission, such as surveillance and protection of the marine environment, resource exploration, reef supply, maritime safety, the fight against against smuggling and the application of maritime law. The Chinese aircraft manufacturer says it wants to produce 60 copies in the next 15 years but the order book has only 17 aircraft at the moment.

If the AG600 is deployed in the South China Sea, Subi Reef for example, its range will allow it to patrol and act extensively throughout the region. But the Chinese navy does not seem to have placed an order so far.
 

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Pics of the AG600s first flight:









Fucking great pictures, man!
Russian Emergency Ministry has to be got some of this in exchange of some Be-200ChS for Chinese one :)

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EVERYTHING.....ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING that China makes looks like carbon copy of something made by the US, Europe, Japan or Russia.

The Chinese amphibian looks like a longer carbon copy version of the Japanese ShinMaya U-2 amphibian aircraft that India wants to buy from japan.

The Comac C-919 looks like a carbon copy of the A319/A320 Airbus Series which by the way Airbus does manufacture and final assembly in Tianjin, China. I suspect that COMAC hired a whole bunch of Chinese engineers who worked on Airbus plant, and they must have brought all the fabrication drawings and schematics with them. I wouldn't be the least surprised if the fabricated metal fuselage parts are identical in spec down to the nearest couple of microns.

Every single detail from the nose to the tail fin/wing shape, etc looks like its copied.

Now they will undercut Airbus A320, and the Chinese government with force all local airlines to buy the aircraft. As for me......I am not flying a COMAC anytime soon.
 

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EVERYTHING.....ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING that China makes looks like carbon copy of something made by the US, Europe, Japan or Russia.

The Chinese amphibian looks like a longer carbon copy version of the Japanese ShinMaya U-2 amphibian aircraft that India wants to buy from japan.

The Comac C-919 looks like a carbon copy of the A319/A320 Airbus Series which by the way Airbus does manufacture and final assembly in Tianjin, China. I suspect that COMAC hired a whole bunch of Chinese engineers who worked on Airbus plant, and they must have brought all the fabrication drawings and schematics with them. I wouldn't be the least surprised if the fabricated metal fuselage parts are identical in spec down to the nearest couple of microns.

Every single detail from the nose to the tail fin/wing shape, etc looks like its copied.

Now they will undercut Airbus A320, and the Chinese government with force all local airlines to buy the aircraft. As for me......I am not flying a COMAC anytime soon.
*sigh* Yes they both have wings and four engines. It's definitely a copy....

Are you drunk or high?




The AG600 is significantly longer, has a greater heihht, has a larger wingspan, more powerful engines and significantly heavier max take-off weight but it's somehow a "carbon copy" of its smaller Japanese counterpart?

Shin Maywa US2
General characteristics

  • Crew: 11
  • Capacity: 20 passengers or 12 stretchers
  • Length: 33.46 m (109 ft 9 in)
  • Wingspan: 33.15 m (108 ft 9 in)
  • Height: 9.8 m (32 ft 2 in)
  • Wing area: 135.8 m2 (1,462 sq ft)
  • Empty weight: 25,630 kg (56,504 lb)
  • Gross weight: 43,000 kg (94,799 lb) water take-off
  • Max takeoff weight: 47,700 kg (105,160 lb) land take-off
  • Powerplant: 4 × Rolls-Royce AE 2100J turboprop, 3,424 kW (4,592 hp) each
  • Powerplant: 1 × LHTEC T800 turboshaft Boundary layer control compressor, 1,017 kW (1,364 hp)
  • Propellers: 6-bladed Dowty R414
Performance
  • Maximum speed: 560 km/h (348 mph; 302 kn)
  • Cruise speed: 480 km/h (298 mph; 259 kn) at 6,000 m (20,000 ft)
  • Range: 4,700 km (2,920 mi; 2,538 nmi)
  • Service ceiling: 7,195 m (23,606 ft)
  • Takeoff distance on ground at MTOW: 490 m (1,610 ft)
  • Landing distance on ground at MTOW: 1,500 m (4,900 ft)
  • Takeoff distance on water at Loaded weight: 280 m (920 ft)
  • Landing distance on water at Loaded weight: 330 m (1,080 ft)
AG 600
General characteristics

  • Capacity: 50 passengers
  • Length: 36.9 m (121 ft 1 in)
  • Wingspan: 38.8 m (127 ft 4 in)
  • Height: 12.1 m (39 ft 8 in)
  • Max takeoff weight: 53,500 kg (117,947 lb)
  • Powerplant: 4 × WJ-6 turboprops, 3,805 kW (5,103 hp) each
  • Propellers: 6-bladed constant speed propellers
Performance
  • Maximum speed: 570 km/h (354 mph; 308 kn)
  • Range: 5,500 km (3,418 mi; 2,970 nmi)
  • Service ceiling: 10,500 m (34,400 ft)
They dont even look alike. Unless you're implying that by virtue of being a four-engine, turbo prop amphibious plane, its a copy of the US2

WRT the C919, the MC21 from Russia and the C300 from Canada look almost exactly alike... Are they all copies of the A320?

Your post reads like a child's. Even Boeing's 737 looks somewhat like all the plane's in that category, doesn't make them all copies of Each other. Two engines Two wings, two tails, two wings and a single isle... I gues their all "carbon copies" of Each other.

Bombadier C300

Airbus A320

Boeing 737

Embraer ERJ195

It out MC21

COMAC C919


But I guess for the sake of originality, COMAC should have placed the wings forward of the tail and had the engines placed under the fuselage on the C919 to pe-empt bogus "copy claims" from the likes of you...
 
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