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China scraps expendable Long March 9 rocket plan in favor of reusable version
Can you post the pic of that reusable version?China scraps expendable Long March 9 rocket plan in favor of reusable version
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China scraps expendable Long March 9 rocket plan in favor of reusable version
China’s main launch vehicle designer has scrapped plans for an expendable Long March 9 rocket in favor of a design featuring a reusable first stage.spacenews.com
HELSINKI — Rocket designers with China’s main launch vehicle institute have scrapped plans for an expendable super heavy-lift launcher in favor of a design featuring a reusable first stage.
A new model of a Long March 9 rocket featuring grid fins and no side boosters recently went on display at the ongoing Zhuhai Airshow in southern China, prompting speculation that the long-standing plan of an expendable rocket had been dropped.
Liu Bing, director of the general design department at the China Academy of Launch Vehicle Technology (CALT), later confirmed the new direction in an interview with China Central Television Nov. 7.
The new, current plan for the rocket will be a three-stage, 108-meter-high, 10-meter-diameter and 4,180 metric ton rocket capable of delivering 150 tons to low Earth orbit (LEO), 50 tons to lunar transfer orbit (LTO), or 35 tons to Mars transfer orbit. The rocket is scheduled to be ready for test flight around 2030.
Liu told CCTV however that the design has not been finalized and will likely see changes as the team selects the optimal pathway, while committing to the goal of constantly breaking through technological challenges and increasing its launching power.
The Long March 9 rocket project has been under development at CALT for a number of years. The original plan was to build an expendable rocket capable of delivering 100 metric tons or more to LEO.
The original design would have made the Long March 9 analogous to NASA’s Space Launch System (SLS), the first of which, for the Artemis 1 mission, currently sits on the pad at Launch Complex 39B at the the Kennedy Space Center with Tropical Storm Nicole approaching Florida.
At the same time, the Sixth Academy of the China Aerospace Science and Technology Corporation (CASC), which also owns CALT, recently performed the first full system hot fire test of the 500-ton-thrust YF-130 kerosene-liquid oxygen engine, thought to be developed to power the expendable Long March 9. How the engine will be used going forward remains to be seen.
Also on display in Zhuhai was China’s new generation crew launch vehicle, sometimes referred to as the Long March 5 Dengyue (“moon landing”) or Long March 5G. The showing indicates a shift from the slanted nose cones on the side cores of earlier models.
The rocket will be capable of sending 27 metric tons into trans-lunar injection. A pair of the new rockets will be capable of sending a crewed spacecraft and, separately, a landing stack, to lunar orbit. This would allow two astronauts to make a landing on the moon.
Liu said the rocket is almost ready for the prototyping stage and would have a test flight in 2027. It was not clear if this referred to the single-stick variant for launches of a new generation crew spacecraft to LEO—earlier slated for a 2026 first launch—or the full, three-core, three-stage version for lunar missions.
CASC recently conducted 300-second mission duty cycle tests of the YF-100M vacuum-optimized engines for the rocket’s second stage.
Completed CSS operation milestones:Chinese space station Tiangong was finally complete hours ago. A new era for Chinese human spaceflight.View attachment 180103
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Completed CSS operation milestones:
2021
Apr. 29 at 3:23 UTC - launch of Tianhe on CZ-5B
May 29 at 12:55 UTC - launch of Tianzhou 2 on CZ-7
May 29 at 21:01 UTC - docking of Tianzhou 2 with aft port of Tianhe (+propellant transfer)
June 17 at 1:22 UTC - launch of Shenzhou 12 [Nie Haisheng, Liu Boming and Tang Hongbo] on CZ-2F/G
June 17 at 7:54 UTC - docking of Shenzhou 12 [Nie, Liu, Tang] with forward port of Tianhe
July 4 at 0:11–6:57 UTC - spacewalk (EVA-1) from Tianhe airlock (test of new space suits, installation of foot restraints, work platform and exterior panoramic camera, emergency return to airlock training) [Liu, Tang]
Aug. 20 at 0:38–6:33 UTC spacewalk (EVA-2) from Tianhe airlock (installation of external pump assembly, panoramic camera activation, foot restraints & extravehicular working platform installation on the robotic arm) [Nie, Liu]
Sep. 16 at 0:56 UTC - undocking of Shenzhou 12 from forward port of Tianhe (+rendezvous test at nadir port) [Nie, Liu, Tang]
Sep. 17 at 4:45–4:48–5:34 UTC - jettison of OM & deorbit burn & landing of Shenzhou 12 [Nie, Liu, Tang]
Sep. 18 at 2:25~6:25 UTC - undocking of Tianzhou 2 from aft port of Tianhe and docking with forward port of Tianhe (+propellant transfer testing)
Sep. 20 at 7:10 UTC - launch of Tianzhou 3 on CZ-7
Sep. 20 at 14:08 UTC - docking of Tianzhou 3 with aft port of Tianhe
Oct. 15 at 16:23 UTC - launch of Shenzhou 13 on CZ-2F/G [Zhai Zhigang, Wang Yaping, Ye Guangfu]
Oct. 15 at 22:56 UTC - docking of Shenzhou 13 with nadir port of Tianhe [Zhai, Wang, Ye]
Nov. 7 at 10:51–17:16 UTC spacewalk (EVA-3) from Tianhe airlock (testing of new spacesuit, installation of robotic arm adapter/end effector) [Zhai, Wang]
Dec. 26 at 10:44–16:55 UTC spacewalk (EVA-4) from Tianhe airlock (deployment of external camera platform C, object translation movement testing) [Zhai, Ye]
2022
Jan. 5 at 22:12–22:59 UTC - robotic arm relocation testing of Tianzhou 2 (near port side port)
Jan. 7 at 21:56–23:55 UTC - undocking & docking of Tianzhou 2 at forward port of Tianhe (manual docking test)
Mar. 27 at 7:59 UTC - undocking of Tianzhou 2 from forward port of Tianhe for EOM
Mar. 31 at 10:40 UTC - reentry of Tianzhou 2 over the South Pacific
Apr. 14 at 16:44 UTC - undocking of Shenzhou 13 from nadir port of Tianhe [Zhai, Wang, Ye]
Apr. 16 at 1:07–1:09~1:31–1:56 UTC - jettison of OM & deorbit burn & jettison of PM & landing of Shenzhou 13 [Zhai, Wang, Ye]
Apr. 19 at 21:02–01:06 UTC - undocking of Tianzhou 3 from aft port & docking at forward port of Tianhe
May 10 at 17:56 UTC - launch of Tianzhou 4 on CZ-7
May 11 at 0:47 UTC - docking of Tianzhou 4 with aft port of Tianhe
June 5 at 2:44 UTC - launch of Shenzhou 14 on CZ-2F/G [Chen Dong, Liu Yang, Cai Xuzhe]
June 5 at 9:42 UTC - docking of Shenzhou 14 with nadir port of Tianhe [Chen, Liu, Cai]
July 17 at 2:59 UTC - undocking of Tianzhou 3 from forward port of Tianhe for EOM
July 24 at 6:22 UTC - launch of Wentian on CZ-5B
July 24 at 19:08–19:13 UTC - (soft/hard) docking of Wentian at forward port of Tianhe
July 27 at 3:31 UTC - reentry of Tianzhou 3 over the South Pacific
Sep. 2 at 10:26–16:33 UTC - spacewalk (EVA-5) from Wentian airlock (installation of coolant pump on Wentian, raising a panoramic camera and testing of the small robotic arm) [Chen, Liu]
Sep. 17 at 5:35–9:47 UTC - spacewalk (EVA-6) from Wentian airlock (installation of foot restraint B and an assisting hatch handle, installation of a circulating pump and demonstration of extravehicular emergency rescue procedures) [Chen, Cai]
Sep. 30 3:45–4:44 UTC - robotic relocation of Wentian from forward to starboard on Tianhe
Oct. 31 at 7:37 UTC - launch of Mengtian on CZ-5B
October 31 at 20:27 UTC - docking of Mengtian at forward port of Tianhe
Nov. 3 at 0:48–1:32 UTC - robotic relocation of Mengtian from forward to port on Tianhe
Nov. 9 at 6:55 UTC - undocking of Tianzhou 4 from aft port of Tianhe for EOM
Nov. 12 at 2:03 UTC - launch of Tianzhou 5 on CZ-7
Nov. 12 at 4:10 UTC - docking of Tianzhou 5 with aft port of Tianhe
Nov. 13 at 22:02 UTC - deployment of CubeSat Zhixing 3A (SmartSAT 3A) from Tianzhou 4
Nov. 14 23:21 UTC - Reentry of Tianzhou 4
Nov. 17 at 3:16–8:50 UTC - spacewalk (EVA-7) from Wentian airlock (installing an inter-module connecting device (handrail) and raising the Wentian panoramic camera A) [Chen, Cai]
Nov. 29 at 15:08 UTC - launch of Shenzhou 15 on CZ-2F/G [Fei, Deng, Zhang]
Nov. 29 at 21:41 UTC - docking of Shenzhou 15 with forward port of Tianhe [Fei, Deng, Zhang]
Dec. 4 at ~3:00 UTC - undocking of Shenzhou 14 from nadir port of Tianhe
Dec. 4 at ~12:12 UTC - landing of Shenzhou 14 [Chen, Liu, Cai]
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China is considering expanding its Tiangong space station
China is already considering adding modules to its recently-completed Tiangong space station complex, according to a senior space official.spacenews.com
HELSINKI — China is already considering adding modules to its recently-completed Tiangong space station complex, according to a senior space official.
China recently completed construction of its three-module, T-shaped Tiangong space station and conducted its first crew handover, seeing the Shenzhou-14 mission astronauts welcome aboard three new astronauts from Shenzhou-15.
The potential next phase would be adding a new core module, Wang Xiang, commander of the space station system at the China Academy of Space Technology (CAST).
“Following our current design, we can continue to launch an extension module to dock with the forward section of the space station, and the extension module can carry a new hub for docking with the subsequent space vehicles,” Wang told CCTV following the return to Earth of the Shenzhou-14 crew Dec. 4.
Tianhe, the space station core module, was the first piece of the station to be launched back in April 2021. It provides the main propulsion and life support systems and crew quarters for the astronauts on Tiangong and carries a docking hub to facilitate the arrival of spacecraft and further modules.
Wang said that the additional module would provide a larger and more comfortable environment for the astronauts, while providing an environment for better applications of scientific payloads, both inside and outside the module.
A backup or engineering model of the Tianhe core module including docking hubs has been seen in CAST presentations alongside the flight model prior to launch. Models of both the Tianhe and Wentian and Mengtian science modules have also been shown connected for ground testing.
Wang did not state that the plan to expand Tiangong had been approved, but underlined that adding a new core module would open up avenues for more international cooperation in the future, and provide a basis for the next development of the space station.
Yang Liwei, China’s first astronaut to reach space and now deputy chief designer of China’s human spaceflight project, revealed in March this year at the country’s annual political sessions in Beijing that a number of countries have submitted applications to China for astronaut training and joint spaceflight missions. Yang also noted the possibility of tourist flights to Tiangong, while another senior official stated that China is exploring commercial possibilities.
In terms of further ambitions, Wang stated that an extended space station could prove useful for the country’s crewed lunar endeavors, noting that the outpost could be used for testing new generation spacecraft.
China’s original, basic plan for Tiangong is to keep the space station occupied and operational for at least 10 years. A co-orbiting survey space telescope named Xuntian is expected to join Tiangong in orbit no earlier than late 2023.
Individual engine test? Shouldn't the entire first stage (has two engines) should be tested at once?close up image of hot fire test of LOX/LH2 YF77 for next Long March 5 on 9 Jan 2023
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I found this on CASC Wechat pageIndividual engine test? Shouldn't the entire first stage (has two engines) should be tested at once?
So that means one or two tests of post-boosters stage are pending.I found this on CASC Wechat page
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“一日三试”,来了!
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China's next human rated launch vehicle might be officially named as Long March 10 (formally known as Long March 5G or Long March 5C or Long March DY). Its first demonstration flight is scheduled for 2027~2028 with a possible crewed moon landing in early 2030s.
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