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With the exception of spacex's retrievable first stage, all the other rockets will fall to earth, only to be evacuated early or launched into the ocean from offshore locations. Spacex's non-retrievable second stage is also designed to fall to earth.This is true of rockets all over the world, without exception.

But most control their descent into the ocean or sparsely populated areas.That's why the Chinese are building a launch site in Hainan Island.
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More evidence that Chinese Communist Party stole technology from the US:
Here are 5 cases where the U.S. says Chinese companies and workers stole American trade secrets
To hear the Americans tell it, the Chinese have gone on a commercial crime spree, pilfering trade secrets from seed corn to electronic brains behind wind turbines. China has stripped the arm off a T-Mobile robot, the U.S. says, and looted trade secrets about robotic cars from Apple.

The alleged victims of that crime spree are individual American companies, whose cases lie behind the Trump administration's core complaint in the high-level U.S.-China trade talks going on in Washington: That Beijing systematically steals American and other foreign intellectual property in a bid to become the world's technology superstar. Yet the odds of a resolution to the trade dispute this week — or anytime soon — appear dim, in part because China's drive for technology supremacy is increasingly part of its self-identity.

The seven-month standoff has upset financial markets and likely weakened the global economy. The United States has imposed taxes on $250 billion in Chinese imports; Beijing has lashed back by taxing $110 billion in American products.

Determined to attain dominance in cutting-edge fields from robotics to electric cars, U.S. officials charge, Beijing is not only stealing trade secrets but also pressuring American companies to hand over technology to gain access to the vast Chinese market.

U.S. intelligence officials told Congress last month that China poses the biggest commercial and military threat to the United States. A separate report said Beijing will steal or copy technologies it can't make itself.

Geng Shuang, a spokesman for the China's Foreign Ministry spokesman, retorted that it's "totally unreasonable to make random accusations."

Beijing counters that the United States is just trying to suppress a rising competitor.

U.S. business groups broadly support the Trump administration's decision to confront China over its strong-arm tech policies. But they mostly object to the administration's weapon of choice: Steep tariffs, which are taxes on importers and are usually passed on to consumers to pay.

Rooting out theft could prove impossible. Beijing typically doesn't dispatch spies on missions of commercial espionage. Rather, it encourages Chinese who study and work abroad to copy or steal technology and rewards them when they do. So U.S. companies might have no reason to suspect anything — until a Chinese employee leaves and the employer discovers that trade secrets have been compromised.

Most U.S. companies are reluctant to voice specific complaints about their encounters in China. Rather, most choose to speak through trade groups to avoid retribution from Chinese regulators. Last year, for example, the European Union Chamber of Commerce in China found that 1 in 5 foreign companies says it feels compelled to transfer technology to the Chinese as the price of market access.

Individual examples tend to surface only when the complaints wind up in court — often in cases brought by U.S. prosecutors. Consider:

• Federal prosecutors charged in an indictment unsealed last month that the Chinese tech giant Huawei stole trade secrets from U.S. cellphone company T-Mobile and offered bonuses to employees who managed to swipe technology from other companies.

U.S. authorities said Huawei was obsessed with a T-Mobile robot nicknamed Tappy that could detect problems in cellphones by mimicking how people use them. T-Mobile was letting Huawei engineers into the Tappy lab to test their phones. In 2013, according to the indictment, a Huawei engineer spirited a Tappy robot arm out of the lab in a laptop bag. Questioned by T-Mobile, he returned it the next day. Prosecutors allege that the Chinese company hungered for T-Mobile technology to use on its own phone-testing robot.

• Apple would collect less revenue without China, the country where its iPhone is assembled and the market that accounts for the most sales of that device outside the U.S. But a secretive project that could become a future gold mine has been infiltrated by thieves trying to steal driverless car technology for a Chinese company, according to criminal charges filed in Silicon Valley. The FBI seized the latest suspect, Apple engineer Jizhong Chen, this month after he bought a plane ticket to China.

Chen and the other suspect charged in July, Xiaolang Zhang, were part of an Apple project focused on self-driving cars, according to the sworn affidavits from FBI agents. The two are accused of using their access to labs where only 1,200 of Apple's 140,000 employees were allowed to enter to steal trade secrets.

Chen took dozens of photos of confidential work on an iPhone 6 Plus, according to court records. One photo was taken last June just a week after Chen attended Apple's secrecy training seminar for employees, the court records show.

Zhang stored Apple's trade secrets on various devices before being caught by the company's security team last spring, the FBI alleged.

The alleged theft occurred while Zhang was preparing to defect to Xiopeng Motors, or XMotors, a Chinese startup specializing in electric cars and self-driving technology. XMotors' backers include Alibaba Group, China's largest e-commerce company, and Foxconn, one of Apple's major contractors in China. Zhang was arrested last year as he prepared to board a flight to China in San Jose, California, the FBI said.

The FBI also alleged that Chen was stealing Apple's trade secrets while interviewing for a job at a Chinese company that wasn't named in the court documents.

Daniel Olmos, an attorney for both Chen and Zhang, has declined to comment on the allegations. Apple has said it's working with U.S. authorities on the cases.

• In November, the Justice Department charged a government-owned Chinese company, Fujian Jinhua Integrated Circuit Co., and co-conspirators with stealing trade secrets from the U.S. semiconductor company Micron Technology. According to the indictment, the Chinese hoped to break into the market for a technology called dynamic random access memory, or DRAM, that's used in computer electronics.

"China, like any advanced nation, must decide whether it wants to be a trusted partner on the world stage or whether it wants to be known around the world as a dishonest regime running a corrupt economy founded on fraud, theft and strong-arm tactics," then-Attorney General Jeff Sessions said at the time.

The U.S. has barred Fujian Junhua from importing U.S. components, an action that threatens to put the Chinese company out of business.

• A year ago, a Chinese company, Sinovel Wind Group, was convicted in a federal court in Wisconsin of stealing technology —the electronic brains that run wind turbines — from its American partner, AMSC, formerly known as American Superconductor Inc.

"We believe that over 8,000 wind turbines — an estimated 20 percent of China's fleet — are now running on AMSC's stolen software," CEO Daniel McGahn told U.S. government investigators. "AMSC has not been compensated for its losses."

The damage from that betrayal was severe: American Superconductor stock lost $1 billion in value, and the company slashed 700 jobs, more than half its global workforce. It was, McGahn said, a case of "attempted corporate homicide."

• A Chinese businessman, Mo Hailong, who had been caught rummaging through an Iowa cornfield was sentenced to three years in prison in 2016 for pilfering trade secrets from U.S. seed corn companies. Five years earlier, DuPont Pioneer security guards had caught Mo and other Chinese men digging in a cornfield that contained test plots of new seed corn varieties. The other suspects fled the United States before they could be arrested.

Prosecutors said Mo had traveled to the Midwest while working for Kings Nower Seed, a subsidiary of the Chinese conglomerate Beijing Dabeinong Technology Group Co., to acquire corn seed and ship it to China so scientists could try to reproduce its genetic traits.
The only way to stop Chinese Communist Party from stealing intellectual property is to stop all Chinese citizens from entering the US, as well as cutting off all US internet networks from China entirely.
 

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Those Europeans are learning Chinese now.


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LOL, all interfaces will be Chinese ...
 

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More on Chinese Communist Party's intellectual property (IP) theft and usage of this IP in Chinese company products:
Elon Musk says Chinese rival Xpeng 'stole' Tesla and Apple codes
Tesla and SpaceX CEO Elon Musk has accused Chinese electric car maker Xpeng of stealing the old source codes of his electric vehicle maker company

Tesla and SpaceX CEO Elon Musk has accused Chinese electric car maker Xpeng of stealing the old source codes of his electric vehicle maker company.
Musk even alleged that Xpeng stole Apple's code too.

In a chat with one of his followers on Twitter who asked why is Xpeng using LiDAR technology which is a big deviation from copying Tesla, Musk replied: "They have an old version of our software & don't have our NN inference computer".
He continued: "They stole Apple's code too".
In July 2019, Guangzhi Cao, a former engineer at Tesla admitted to uploading Tesla's Autopilot source code to his iCloud account.
Tesla sued Cao for allegedly giving the secret code to Xpeng.
Tesla does not use the LiDAR sensor technology and relies on deep neural networks. Xpeng is using LiDAR which is different from what Tesla is using in its vehicles.
Apple uses the LiDAR technology in its new iPhone 12 lineup for immersive and enhanced AR experiences.
In 2018, a former Apple engineer was charged with stealing technology related to Apple's long-rumoured self-driving car project.
The engineer later began working for China-based electric car-maker XMotors.
However, whether Xpeng really stole any data from Tesla's Autopilot code is still debatable.
Xpeng said last week that it will use LiDAR sensors in its mass-market vehicles that are produced in 2021.
According to Teslarati website, the announcement from Xpeng deviated the company away from the current lawsuit that Tesla has against one of its former employees who took Autopilot sourcing code to the Chinese car company.
The only way to stop Chinese IP theft is to stop all mainland Chinese citizens from entering your country, as they are all potential Chinese Communist Party (CCP) agents and IP thieves; and also cutting off Chinese hackers access to the country's internet by cutting off China from your country's internet using a firewall. It is also unsafe now to operate your company in China because CCP agents can infiltrate your company and steal IP secrets. Unless Elon Musk smartens up and moves all company assets out of China, as well as removing all Chinese employees, SpaceX is next.
 
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More evidence that Chinese Communist Party (CCP) agents have stolen intellectual property (IP) from SpaceX:
Elon Musk is stupid for trusting Chinese employees who could be potential CCP agents, as they have already stolen technology from Tesla. The only way to stop CCP IP theft is by moving your company out of China as well as stopping all Chinese from entering your country as they can all be potential CCP agents/IP thieves because CCP is an authoritarian government which forces its people to follow its orders. China's internet should also be removed from the worldwide internet to stop Chinese hackers from stealing IP.
 

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More evidence that Chinese Communist Party (CCP) agents have stolen intellectual property (IP) from SpaceX:
Elon Musk is stupid for trusting Chinese employees who could be potential CCP agents, as they have already stolen technology from Tesla. The only way to stop CCP IP theft is by moving your company out of China as well as stopping all Chinese from entering your country as they can all be potential CCP agents/IP thieves because CCP is an authoritarian government which forces its people to follow its orders. China's internet should also be removed from the worldwide internet to stop Chinese hackers from stealing IP.
I love to see this kind of response: that means our friend is running out of words, he has to open another front.
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I love to see this kind of response: that means our friend is running out of words, he has to open another front.
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Massive spy network in US with many Chinese students and workers steals intellectual property (IP) secrets on behalf of Chinese Communist Party (CCP). This is why the only way to stop CCP stealing IP is to stop all Chinese from entering your country as well as cutting off China from your country's internet to stop Chinese hackers from stealing IP.

Most Chinese who move to US or other countries remain loyal to Chinese Communist Party, and cannot be trusted. Chinese posters on this forum are a good example.
 
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