Civil war in Ukraine

[SwordOfDarkness]

After Kennedy all American administrations gave up on convincing India away from its Nehruvian lunacy, that is until the collapse of the USSR brought senses to enough Indian politicians.

The NAM was the one and only sensible thing nehru did, else we would have been american/soviet lackeys, an eager market for their products and a pawn in their game for global dominance.

Nehru was a dumbass, but he did have some good ideas. NAM, IITs, etc have brought us where we are today.

 

[doreamon]

Foreign policy is not decided on the basis of emotions or who is good boy who is bad . If USA has been destroying countries soviet in its time was no saint as well . We sided with soviet after neheru because USA increasingly sided with Pakistan as it was a buffer state to stop expansion of communism . We also had socialist influences in congress . After 1991 when liberalisation happened and soviet as a threat was gone it took a decade for USA to realize India cld be a big market in future . And as China kept rising later USA saw india as a counter balance in the region . And here we are .

 

[asianobserve]

The NAM was the one and only sensible thing nehru did, else we would have been american/soviet lackeys, an eager market for their products and a pawn in their game for global dominance.

Nehru was a dumbass, but he did have some good ideas. NAM, IITs, etc have brought us where we are today.

NAM was a fool's errand. It neither gave India or any member neutrality or security since all members either eventually aligned with the West or USSR.

 

[Kumaoni]

So in other words, the only reason the US sees us as worth something is to exploit our manpower and geopolitical status to fight against the Chinese. Interesting.

 

[SwordOfDarkness]

NAM was a fool's errand. It neither gave India or any member neutrality or security since all members either eventually aligned with the West or USSR.

Nam was the only reason that we can today give USA the middle finger over S400 sanction threat, and do what we want. Can japan buy anything except THAAD and Patriot? We can. NAM cost us aksai chin, but allowed us to have a foriegn policy that did not involve licking boots.

 

[Marliii]

So in other words, the only reason the US sees us as worth something is to exploit our manpower and geopolitical status to fight against the Chinese. Interesting.

Yup thats all .US is not even putting the uncertainty in its " we will send troops to Ukraine aid" to deter russia in every case like Taiwan US would out uncertainty on to make China fear a US meddling but in Ukraine case US has flatly rejected sending troops to stop russia because if russia invades and US would loose face

 

[asianobserve]

Nam was the only reason that we can today give USA the middle finger over S400 sanction threat, and do what we want. Can japan buy anything except THAAD and Patriot? We can. NAM cost us aksai chin, but allowed us to have a foriegn policy that did not involve licking boots.

What are you talking about? There is no NAM. The only reason that India can get sanction exemptions is China.

 

[doreamon]

So in other words, the only reason the US sees us as worth something is to exploit our manpower and geopolitical status to fight against the Chinese. Interesting.

Yes thats how it works . We need usa for money , capital, technology , investment and also as a ally whn China showing overbearing attitude in its neighbourhood .

 

[Kumaoni]

Yes thats how it works . We need usa for money , capital, technology , investment and also as a ally whn China showing overbearing attitude in its neighbourhood .

Sad.

 

[Akim]

Ukrainian enterprises have begun production of the second battalion of the Neptune anti-ship missiles, although the first battalion has not yet taken up combat duty. There will be three battalions in total.

Because of Russia, we are forced to actively rearm.

 

[SwordOfDarkness]

What are you talking about? There is no NAM. The only reason that India can get sanction exemptions is China.

Yeah, tell me that we could have bought stuff like s400 if we had chosen american camp. NAM , and now multi alignment, is the best policy for us.

 

[asianobserve]

Yeah, tell me that we could have bought stuff like s400 if we had chosen american camp. NAM , and now multi alignment, is the best policy for us.

S-400 is a very bad choice:

1) The system is compromised since China has it;
2) It adds no industrial benefit to India;
3) It reduces Indian leverage on US.

 

[asianobserve]

Ukrainian enterprises have begun production of the second battalion of the Neptune anti-ship missiles, although the first battalion has not yet taken up combat duty. There will be three battalions in total.

Because of Russia, we are forced to actively rearm.

You need to rearm to avoid being coerced by Russia. Russia only understand the language of war.

 

[SwordOfDarkness]

S-400 is a very bad choice:

1) The system is compromised since China has it;
2) It adds no industrial benefit to India;
3) It reduces Indian leverage on US.

1)doesnt work that way
2)we have XRSAM for industrial benefit, but its not coming for years. And oh, whats the "industrial benefit" of THAAD or PATRIOT?
3)Nope. It reduces US leverage on India.

 

[scatterStorm]

Are the Baltic and Black Seas inland lakes of Russia? There are many sovereign countries on their coast and it is their decision with whom to be friends. I should not ask the neighbor's opinion about which girl I should invite to visit.
Same with annexation. This is very similar to the excuse of a pedophile who raped a little girl - after all, she will grow up and become a woman.

This will be your fate because you guys are so blind by your hubris.

 

[Marliii]

This will be your fate because you guys are so blind by your hubris.

You are being more pro russian than the russians here lol

 

[scatterStorm]

Yes thats how it works . We need usa for money , capital, technology , investment and also as a ally whn China showing overbearing attitude in its neighbourhood .

You could've summed up in a one line,

"Its geo-politics and each country has its own strategic interest", except in our case, we are lollygagging's still.

 

[alphacentury]

Besides, do you know what upper caste Indians think of dark skinned lower caste Indians in the same year Nixon you said uttered those things against Nehru's dynastic successors in the 1970s? Does don't look far mean anything to you? Most Indians would immigrate to the US now if given the chance.

lol didnt know only dark skinned can be lower castes, but go off. Forget India, What actually has America done to revive Ukraine's economy, security, socio-political issues in the current year? The maidan happened because of corruption right, Is ukraine any better than it was in 2014? How many rulers have been tried and replaced since then in Ukraine, like a fkn lab experiment? And the people sitting in amrika who cant even point out ukraine on a map have its best interests right? All they have managed to do is use n throw Ukraine, like a cheap metaphor I wont use, just to smite Russia. Thats all. Do they even know or have tried to learn about Ukraine's demography, language, culture and how to shift through all that to navigate ukraine to prosperity. No, they haven't, cause they don't care. Cause they don't face any consequences of it. Sure we will do a maidan, and put in place a guy who claims to be on our side. But is he competent? Doesnt matter, we will anyone run the country remotely. But what about political stability or security or economy of the country? Naah, doesn't matter, the pressing issues are liberty/freedom

 

[scatterStorm]

You are being more pro russian than the russians here lol

Hold on to your horses dude, if I watch BBC I am pro-West? I also watch, Tucker at Fox, does it make me more pro-West, or Sky-news?

You can watch anything, understand both perspective of these two powers.
And... if you have your good money invested in the markets, you would be god-damn afraid to what happens at Ukraine. Simple.

 

[Flash12]

Until 2014, more than half of the pro-Russian Parliament. Now - less than 1/6. The population of the country knows who the enemy is.

And of course it didn't matter:
1. Prohibition of elections in the Donetsk and Lugansk regions in the territory controlled by Kiev.
2. Loss of pro-Russian voters in Crimea and Donbas.
3. The ban on Russian social networks, TV, books, flights with Russia.
4. Massive anti-Russian propaganda on TV.
5. The revelry of the Nazis and their encouragement by the authorities.
Etc...