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MiG-29MU2 is being tested in Ukraine. Outwardly, it does not differ, but received a more powerful radar, new navigation and sighting systems that allow the use of guided weapons of the "AIR-to - SURFACE" class

Is there any fighter aircraft that Ukraine can produce completely on own from the mig or su block.

What about engine supply ? It would have been better to dump russian fighter aircrafts for American F-16s altogether or an in-house evolution and production of new mig 29.
 

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Is there any fighter aircraft that Ukraine can produce completely on own from the mig or su block.

What about engine supply ? It would have been better to dump russian fighter aircrafts for American F-16s altogether or an in-house evolution and production of new mig 29.
No. Fighters are not produced. Ukraine produces only transport aircraft and tactical UAVs (including kamikaze drones).
Ukraine makes a complete overhaul of fighter aircraft, completely abandoning Russian components and developed its analogues.
I expected to see a new engine on it, but ...
The transition to the F-16 is not advisable.
MiG-29 and F-16 are equivalent fighters.
In addition: the transition to the technique of another standard will require a lot of changes and time. The enemy is not a knight. He will not wait and will attack again “from around the corner”.
 

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No. Fighters are not produced. Ukraine produces only transport aircraft and tactical UAVs (including kamikaze drones).
Ukraine makes a complete overhaul of fighter aircraft, completely abandoning Russian components and developed its analogues.
I expected to see a new engine on it, but ...
The transition to the F-16 is not advisable.
MiG-29 and F-16 are equivalent fighters.
In addition: the transition to the technique of another standard will require a lot of changes and time. The enemy is not a knight. He will not wait and will attack again “from around the corner”.
But you cannot operate Mig-29s forever. Soon you will need to replace it. What do you think would be your next likely frontline fighter?
 

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But you cannot operate Mig-29s forever. Soon you will need to replace it. What do you think would be your next likely frontline fighter?
I am not an expert in aviation, so I can not draw analytical conclusions.
Personally, I am not a supporter of classical aviation. Our deceitful and “peace-loving” neighbor has a wide range of tactical and cruise missiles that can shoot through the territory of Ukraine through and through. If the airfield is destroyed, then it is useless. We need retaliatory measures in the form of mobile complexes. When Putin knows that Ukrainian missiles are aimed at the Kremlin, then the players become equal.
Developments in this direction are underway, but we still continue to use the old Soviet complexes (120 km).
 

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No. Fighters are not produced. Ukraine produces only transport aircraft and tactical UAVs (including kamikaze drones).
Ukraine makes a complete overhaul of fighter aircraft, completely abandoning Russian components and developed its analogues.
I expected to see a new engine on it, but ...
The transition to the F-16 is not advisable.
MiG-29 and F-16 are equivalent fighters.
In addition: the transition to the technique of another standard will require a lot of changes and time. The enemy is not a knight. He will not wait and will attack again “from around the corner”.
Yes but the number you have possess no threat to the enemy. USA can provide lots of used F 16 over the years most important the tech advantage it will bring is immense in terms of weapons radar ew etc.

I am not an expert in aviation, so I can not draw analytical conclusions.
Personally, I am not a supporter of classical aviation. Our deceitful and “peace-loving” neighbor has a wide range of tactical and cruise missiles that can shoot through the territory of Ukraine through and through. If the airfield is destroyed, then it is useless. We need retaliatory measures in the form of mobile complexes. When Putin knows that Ukrainian missiles are aimed at the Kremlin, then the players become equal.
Developments in this direction are underway, but we still continue to use the old Soviet complexes (120 km).
Agree with you Russia have this advantage of a huge arsenal of missile and geography on you, they don't need the long range one to hit you while you will need a lot more long range one to pose a threat to them.
 

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Agree with you Russia have this advantage of a huge arsenal of missile and geography on you, they don't need the long range one to hit you while you will need a lot more long range one to pose a threat to them.
Ukraine has the most dense air defense in Europe. Recently, we have strengthened it. We are ready to repel an air strike, but victory does not happen without an offensive. There is nothing to offensive.
Future "Sapsan" missile system. In the beginning, a missile with a range of 500 km was developed. After Russia withdrew from the treaty between the USA and the USSR, Ukraine is developing a missile with a range of 1000 km.
 

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Ukraine has the most dense air defense in Europe. Recently, we have strengthened it. We are ready to repel an air strike, but victory does not happen without an offensive. There is nothing to offensive.
Future "Sapsan" missile system. In the beginning, a missile with a range of 500 km was developed. After Russia withdrew from the treaty between the USA and the USSR, Ukraine is developing a missile with a range of 1000 km.
You'll need them in huge numbers.. and a Political will to fire at the aggressors or to teach a lesson. Good for you.

What about the gun laws in Ukraine ? How easy it is for Ukrainians to get an Ak / or another rifle/gun.
 

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Yes but the number you have possess no threat to the enemy. USA can provide lots of used F 16 over the years most important the tech advantage it will bring is immense in terms of weapons radar ew etc.
Island type boats. Ukraine received them without weapons. Americans are not allowed to change anything. Instead of a powerful combat module, Ukraine is forced to put old Soviet 25 mm autocannons.

What about the gun laws in Ukraine ? How easy it is for Ukrainians to get an Ak / or another rifle/gun.
We have very strict laws of weapons, but we have a war in the east of the country, so you can buy anything.
 

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Another Russian drone, of the Zastava type (license of the Israeli IAI Bird Eye 400) was shot down. This type of UAV has not yet been used.

 

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#Ukraine imported 37 BMP-1s from #Poland Ukrainian state concern Ukroboronprom announced that it has begun the process of supplying Ministry of Defense of Ukraine with 37 units of BMP-1 infantry fighting vehicles for the needs of the Ukrainian armed forces.
 

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Ukraine provides NATO countries with strategic air transport capability
 

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Ukraine provides NATO countries with strategic air transport capability

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Akim, Ukraine has a population of 44 million. 9 million of these now live in Russia. Two million in Poland. Two million in Crimea, 2 million in areas in Donetsk and Luhansk not under Kiev's control. That is a loss of 15 million from a population of 44 million.

Unless NATO comes actively to the side of Ukraine, a war is a losing proposition.

West Europe is creaking under excessive State debt. UK is out of EU. Germany and USA are going their own ways steadily. NATO may not exist in a few years.

Ukraine is on the wrong side of history.
 

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Akim, Ukraine has a population of 44 million. 9 million of these now live in Russia. Two million in Poland. Two million in Crimea, 2 million in areas in Donetsk and Luhansk not under Kiev's control. That is a loss of 15 million from a population of 44 million.

Unless NATO comes actively to the side of Ukraine, a war is a losing proposition.

West Europe is creaking under excessive State debt. UK is out of EU. Germany and USA are going their own ways steadily. NATO may not exist in a few years.

Ukraine is on the wrong side of history.
At the time of the beginning of the аnschluss, Ukraine had a population of 52 million.
,Personally, I am not a supporter of joining NATO. We ourselves are capable of fighting for our country. We may lose, but we have no other choice. Death is better than slavery. But tens of thousands of Russian families will also get funerals. And all this for the sake of the ambitions of one person.
 
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