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Yatsenyuk Goes - Finally!
Televised announcement from Ukrainian Prime Minister confirms he will resign on Monday.

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After an unnecessarily protracted government crisis Ukrainian Prime Minister Arseny Yatsenyuk has finally announced he will resign.

This opens the way for Poroshenko’s close ally and political associate Volodymyr Groysman to form a government.

There is wide speculation about what trade-off Yatsenyuk was able to secure for agreeing to go.

The political reality is however that his support in Ukraine collapsed months ago. The one thing that has kept him in office has been the backing of the US.

It seems that Poroshenko’s recent visit to the US - where he met with Obama and Biden - was principally to secure US approval for Yatsenyuk’s removal.

To what extent Yatsenyuk will continue to remain an important figure in Ukrainian politics is debatable. He was never popular to start with and over the course of his time as Prime Minister such popularity as he had has collapsed.

It is possible that in time Yatsenyuk will come to see this for himself, in which case a comfortable post in some university or think-tank in the US may be what lies in store.

[MOD Edit: Link added: http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/yatsenyuk-goes-finally/ri13816]
 
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Interesting to see USA putting all its eggs in Poroshenko's basket.

Maybe USA likes the oligarch over revolutionary.

Poor Ukrainians and the Maidan!
 

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The lady is smiling. What better treatment?
Why don't you fight in China against summary executions and illegal detentions.
Remarking on Russia while China is still in middle ages!
hahaha , what a ridiculous reply from an INDIAN!

1) in India there're many more terrible things happening (off-topic here) :devil:. but u try to divert the thread to China when commenting on Ukraine :biggrin2: The world surely knows who is in middle-age :cool3:

2) Based on what's available I have a different understanding of the lady Nadezhda Savchenko's doing. She was fighting for her country UKRAINE not commiting any crime that Russia charges her of. She shall be released

3) Any HERO deserves respect no matter which side she is on.
 

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hahaha , what a ridiculous reply from an INDIAN!

1) in India there're many more terrible things happening (off-topic here) :devil:. but u try to divert the thread to China when commenting on Ukraine :biggrin2: The world surely knows who is in middle-age :cool3:

2) Based on what's available I have a different understanding of the lady Nadezhda Savchenko's doing. She was fighting for her country UKRAINE not commiting any crime that Russia charges her of. She shall be released

3) Any HERO deserves respect no matter which side she is on.
Oh really. Should I start on China's crimes.

This lady fired on press. What a remarkable patriot?

May be in China such acts are noble.

This lady deserves to die. That is the only proper punishment for her.
 

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Oh really. Should I start on China's crimes.

This lady fired on press. What a remarkable patriot?

May be in China such acts are noble.

This lady deserves to die. That is the only proper punishment for her.
Even what it is accused, seen a circus. The fire was not opened specifically for journalists and for block post separatists. If you can distinguish at a distance of 4 km. PRESS inscription on human clothing into a group of people, I will send you a bottle of gorilka in India.

Also. PRESS designation is not an indulgence for the Russian occupiers, allowing them to shoot with impunity.
 
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Even what it is accused, seen a circus. The fire was not opened specifically for journalists and for block post separatists. If you can distinguish at a distance of 4 km. PRESS inscription on human clothing into a group of people, I will send you a bottle of gorilka in India.

Also. PRESS designation is not an indulgence for the Russian occupiers, allowing them to shoot with impunity.
Ok so she should be shot, as she is an enemy. She deserves summary execution.
Yes I agree that public court proceeding is not required. She should have been shot after a brief closed proceeding.

You differentiate between Russia and DNR/LNR. I do not. This is the difference.

I know that international law may say something else. But war is not a circus. A person in aircraft is not more important than person on the ground.

Russia is acting in line with international law and is ready to trade her in prisoner exchange.
 

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Ok so she should be shot, as she is an enemy. She deserves summary execution.
Yes I agree that public court proceeding is not required. She should have been shot after a brief closed proceeding.

You differentiate between Russia and DNR/LNR. I do not. This is the difference.

I know that international law may say something else. But war is not a circus. A person in aircraft is not more important than person on the ground.

Russia is acting in line with international law and is ready to trade her in prisoner exchange.
In the beginning stole then ready to exchange? If each side (Russia and Ukraine)t will shoot their prisoners, the death toll will be enlarged by a couple thousand.LNR and DNR is a smokescreen and nobody treats them seriously as a negotiating partner.
 

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In the beginning stole then ready to exchange? If each side (Russia and Ukraine)t will shoot their prisoners, the death toll will be enlarged by a couple thousand.LNR and DNR is a smokescreen and nobody treats them seriously as a negotiating partner.
That is what you are doing. Do not get surprised. You are shooting prisoners.

Not only you are rounding off non-combatants from area under your control and trading them as prisoners of war, but you are killing genuine prisoners of war.

And why wont you take DNR/LNR prisoners seriously?

Your forces can kidnap anybody under any pretext. Seems no rules exist for you. You are a Bandera - an outlaw. You deserve only one punishment and you know it.
 

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That is what you are doing. Do not get surprised. You are shooting prisoners.

Not only you are rounding off non-combatants from area under your control and trading them as prisoners of war, but you are killing genuine prisoners of war.

And why wont you take DNR/LNR prisoners seriously?

Your forces can kidnap anybody under any pretext. Seems no rules exist for you. You are a Bandera - an outlaw. You deserve only one punishment and you know it.
You have personally seen? When will submit evidence to the international court, then we will argue. Or in India, there is no presumption of innocence?
 

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Where is this "international court"?

With sanctions on Russia, can Russian lawyers go to this international court and fight cases?

There is no justice where enforcer and judge is same.

So Russia has to fight and win. This is the only way out.

Evidence is there, in tons. I do not keep the evidence in my house. It will be used against you when time comes.
 

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Where is this "international court"?

With sanctions on Russia, can Russian lawyers go to this international court and fight cases?

There is no justice where enforcer and judge is same.

So Russia has to fight and win. This is the only way out.

Evidence is there, in tons. I do not keep the evidence in my house. It will be used against you when time comes.
The theory of a world conspiracy against Russia I hear often. This bike is old as the world. When the USSR was -it was justified. Different ideological systems. Now in Russia the oligarchs per square meter more than worldwide.
 

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Then Russia should be a very rich country as per your statement (oligarchs per square meter more than worldwide) but it is not.

Russia is an eyesore for neocons. The world may be only USA and EU for you. But remember only 800M of 7.3B people live in USA and EU. So it is not a world conspiracy.

And our Chinese friend @amoy sits on both sides of the fence. On one hand, he bats for neocons, on the other he bats (privately) for Russia.

Chinese President Xi says that China's alliance with Russia is for world peace. Xi sees peace in Russia. This guy @amoy sees war in Russia. Very amusing.
 

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Then Russia should be a very rich country as per your statement (oligarchs per square meter more than worldwide) but it is not.

Russia is an eyesore for neocons. The world may be only USA and EU for you. But remember only 800M of 7.3B people live in USA and EU. So it is not a world conspiracy.

And our Chinese friend @amoy sits on both sides of the fence. On one hand, he bats for neocons, on the other he bats (privately) for Russia.

Chinese President Xi says that China's alliance with Russia is for world peace. Xi sees peace in Russia. This guy @amoy sees war in Russia. Very amusing.
Ukraine is a rich country? No. However, if you look at Kiev and Odessa, where the Hummers and Porsche Cayenne more than in Paris, it may give such an opinion. The number of oligarchs is not in proportion to the wealth of the country. Only a specific group of people.
 

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Interesting to see USA putting all its eggs in Poroshenko's basket.

Maybe USA likes the oligarch over revolutionary.

Poor Ukrainians and the Maidan!
Poroshenko is "legitimated" option for nationalistic regime. A "moderate terrorist" like in Syria. But if he will not attack Russia in the moment USA will order him, he will be changed for a real nazi fuhrer Andriy Beletskiy. Beletskiy will do anything US orders like Saakashvilly in Georgia in 888.

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Even what it is accused, seen a circus. The fire was not opened specifically for journalists and for block post separatists. If you can distinguish at a distance of 4 km. PRESS inscription on human clothing into a group of people, I will send you a bottle of gorilka in India.

Also. PRESS designation is not an indulgence for the Russian occupiers, allowing them to shoot with impunity.
Firing on nazi gangs in airport and correcting hovitzers and mortars fire towards the road by which hubdreds of civillians have tried to save themselves fleeing to Russia are different things, isn't it?
Savchenko has got 23 years not for killing Russian journalists only, but for helping to shell and kill hundreds of refugees on the same road.

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Ok so she should be shot, as she is an enemy. She deserves summary execution.
Yes I agree that public court proceeding is not required. She should have been shot after a brief closed proceeding.

You differentiate between Russia and DNR/LNR. I do not. This is the difference.

I know that international law may say something else. But war is not a circus. A person in aircraft is not more important than person on the ground.

Russia is acting in line with international law and is ready to trade her in prisoner exchange.
Public trial on Savchenko is not just a court, but a precedent and a proper demonstration of the future actions: when Russia will set an order here, there will be no nazi criminal who will avoid a proper justice. A full "white book" of Ukrainian war crimes is ready and waiting, as well as 2 big archive rooms with criminal cases and evidences.

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In the beginning stole then ready to exchange? If each side (Russia and Ukraine)t will shoot their prisoners, the death toll will be enlarged by a couple thousand.LNR and DNR is a smokescreen and nobody treats them seriously as a negotiating partner.
Minsk treaties strongly ordered to Ukraine to treat LDNR as a serious negotiations partners.
Nobody cares Ukrainian position because Ukraine doesn't have any. And of course, Russia will not talk with prostitute, only with her suteneurs :)

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You have personally seen? When will submit evidence to the international court, then we will argue. Or in India, there is no presumption of innocence?
I have personally seen it. An interviews of those who have trated as POWs by Ukraine, none of which have taken any weapon in their lives. Even some of the people who I know have been treated that way.

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The theory of a world conspiracy against Russia I hear often. This bike is old as the world. When the USSR was -it was justified. Different ideological systems. Now in Russia the oligarchs per square meter more than worldwide.
You are just an ignorant moron as you show us time by time on this forum.
You know nothing about economy, resources, political schools and tensions and many many things on the top of this.
But you strongly believe that your oppinion has even little value.
You are fantastic idiot.

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