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@Akim, what is special about your or Swedish or Polish armour? When M1 are getting killed by Houthi ATGMs (supposed supplied by Iran)?

Tell me one thing where you excel over the Russians?
 

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@Akim, what is special about your or Swedish or Polish armour? When M1 are getting killed by Houthi ATGMs (supposed supplied by Iran)?

Tell me one thing where you excel over the Russians?
I do not metallurgist. They say it is better and cheaper. But armor steel is used only in light armored vehicles. The tanks used combined armor.
When bought the APCs Saxon, it has the same armor thickness as the BRDM. A test shoot showed that the bullet 7.62 B-32 does not pierce it, although the armor BRDM affected by it.
 
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To move from the territory where they grow apricots, sweet cherries and watermelons on the area where bumps grow is very tempting.:biggrin2:
Growing cranberry is also VERY profitable business.
 

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@Akim, what is special about your or Swedish or Polish armour? When M1 are getting killed by Houthi ATGMs (supposed supplied by Iran)?
Tell me one thing where you excel over the Russians?
It has no advantages at all.
It is better than 1960-th era Soviet armor (for light vehicles) but nothing more.
 

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@Akim, you would not win by cracking jokes about Russians for sure. We all know that Ukrainians and Russians are same ethnic stock and practically same nation.

You tell me what advantage your military has over Russian military?
 

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@Akim, you would not win by cracking jokes about Russians for sure. We all know that Ukrainians and Russians are same ethnic stock and practically same nation.

You tell me what advantage your military has over Russian military?
Only one. We protect their country. There are no more advantages. The Russian army is technically better equipped and more numerous.
 

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Only one. We protect their country. There are no more advantages. The Russian army is technically better equipped and more numerous.
Yes.
Russian army can be compared to Ukrainian like Martian with plasma rifle to neanderthol with a piece of wood.
 

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Therefore, they want to settle? Why are residents of suburbs Moskow to not move?o_O
A good question.
A majority of those office planktone should be moved there to force labor settlements as they are useless in non-conformistic and non-consumption economy.

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Only one. We protect their country. There are no more advantages. The Russian army is technically better equipped and more numerous.
Unfortunately you are a country but not a nation. History shows that only nations survive long term.

You are a Slav nation. Either you have to accede to Russia or make Russia accede to you. Neither Ukraine nor Russia can live separated for long.
 

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Yes.
Russian army can be compared to Ukrainian like Martian with plasma rifle to neanderthol with a piece of wood.
Don't get it twisted. Of course, Russia has the best technical equipment, but not technical superiority. Russia has much more new and upgraded military equipment, but it is not the level of "Star wars". Do not forget that before the Russian-Ukrainian conflict, the Russian army 6 years rearming, and for the Ukrainian army, all the years of independence is stolen.
A good question.
A majority of those office planktone should be moved there to force labor settlements as they are useless in non-conformistic and non-consumption economy.

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I took just Moskow. None of the Russian citizens do not want to move from European part Russia to Siberia. Even the inhabitants of Murmansk.
 
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Don't get it twisted. Of course, Russia has the best technical equipment, but not technical superiority. Russia has much more new and upgraded military equipment, but it is not the level of "Star wars". Do not forget that before the Russian-Ukrainian conflict, the Russian army 6 years rearming, and for the Ukrainian army, all the years of independence is stolen.
Star Wars is complete control and clear visibility on any control level from MOD command center in Moscow to any squad commander in the fields. And complete interchangeable multi-level automatic data exchange for all the command system subscribers. This allows any of the network node to see the targets detected by the other nodes, resolve IFF situations and transfer targets from one military branch to another (VVS to PVO and back is classical example). And this automated system is GLOBAL.
This only example completely outclasses and outcasts Ukraine from Russia in technical meanings.
But there are much much more of them including completely unique technologies like GaN-based digital AESAs or so.
 

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Unfortunately you are a country but not a nation. History shows that only nations survive long term.

You are a Slav nation. Either you have to accede to Russia or make Russia accede to you. Neither Ukraine nor Russia can live separated for long.
Someone claims that Russians and Ukrainians are different nation as Bulgarians and Serbians. Now that's not important. Under the banner of unification of German-speaking peoples, Hitler began a major war.
Star Wars is complete control and clear visibility on any control level from MOD command center in Moscow to any squad commander in the fields. And complete interchangeable multi-level automatic data exchange for all the command system subscribers. This allows any of the network node to see the targets detected by the other nodes, resolve IFF situations and transfer targets from one military branch to another (VVS to PVO and back is classical example). And this automated system is GLOBAL.
This only example completely outclasses and outcasts Ukraine from Russia in technical meanings.
But there are much much more of them including completely unique technologies like GaN-based digital AESAs or so.
You have to read, as seized Crimea, There was a lot of inconsistencies. This despite the fact that no one resisted. The picture of the "Potemkin village" for the TV to create a snap.
 
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Someone claims that Russians and Ukrainians are different nation as Bulgarians and Serbians. Now that's not important. Under the banner of unification of German-speaking peoples, Hitler began a major war.
You have to read, as seized Crimea, There was a lot of inconsistencies. This despite the fact that no one resisted. The picture of the "Potemkin village" for the TV to create a snap.
To read what? Link please.
Crimea operation was a military masterpiece even from NATO SF specialists POW.
There were no resistance just thanks to remarkably clear and professional operation.
 

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To read what? Link please.
Crimea operation was a military masterpiece even from NATO SF specialists POW.
There were no resistance just thanks to remarkably clear and professional operation.
I read a lot and watch videos.
There was no resistance, only because upstairs in that time was a mess.
 

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I read a lot and watch videos.
There was no resistance, only because upstairs in that time was a mess.
Ukrainian resistance were futile against Russian SOS in Crimea if ukrainians would decide to resist, just like on Donbass, if Russian Army will be really deployed there.
But entering to Donbass is stupid and politically weak move. Russians know that.
So, if they will decide to take Ukraine back via military operation, it will be captured by air and sea assaults all the key points on east, west, south and center at the same time.
Buriat tank divisions on Donbass are not POLITICALLY effective.
 

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Ukrainian resistance were futile against Russian SOS in Crimea if ukrainians would decide to resist, just like on Donbass, if Russian Army will be really deployed there.
But entering to Donbass is stupid and politically weak move. Russians know that.
So, if they will decide to take Ukraine back via military operation, it will be captured by air and sea assaults all the key points on east, west, south and center at the same time.
Buriat tank divisions on Donbass are not POLITICALLY effective.
I did not say that Russia is not capable to capture Ukraine, only the price of this will be tens of thousands of coffins returning to Russia.
 

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I did not say that Russia is not capable to capture Ukraine, only the price of this will be tens of thousands of coffins returning to Russia.
Price of this will be 0 (ZERO) troops, because nobody will fight like in 19 th century or rebels on Donbass.
There will be distant killing and destruction with ECM, RBMs, and cruise missiles. Then with air force. Ukraine needs only 50 key target to destroy to end its life as country or army force.
Ukrainian army cannot deal with local rebels - coal miners, workers and peasants. How can it fight Russian army if they will not even know what was flown from where and what did just kill them?

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