Scalieback
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BBC is internationally recognized as a retarded British propaganda and codswallop spewing website.BBC, internationally recognised news organ. RT, state propaganda reported to Ofcom. Says it all really.
Really? You believe all blogs? I'll post the blogs about RT cock ups if you like?
The Guardian? Sky News? Or is it just all western media?
Tell me something I don't know.Service ceiling and max operating altitude. Difference is one where it is designed to work and the other, where it could possibly get to with a prevailing wind, a lot of luck, good conditions etc.
Sure. Anything that challenges what you claim which you cannot substantiate, is a conspiracy theory.The SU25 according to the designer can't get to 10.5km, let alone intercept (it's slower, so can't chase) a 777 and somehow engage an airliner with a heat seeking missile that doesn't have forward lock on ability and somehow not hit one engine but hit the crew compartment and then the 'mud mover' somehow gets near to the 777 and rakes it with cannon fire. Of all the conspiracy theories, it really is a poor one.
Which BUK crew is dead? First prove that a BUK was involved at all. Then think about BUK crew. You are trying to build the second floor without even building a foundation. Very juvenile of you.I want the truth. Whether it's Ukrainians', Separatists, Russians or flying saucers. That way 298 innocent lives can be accounted for. Sadly, I believe the Buk crew is now dead and we'll never get the truth because Russia will not cooperate.
You have seen no evidence. All you have read and heard are conspiracy theories.I have no doubts, based on the evidence I have seen and read, that the Separatist crew under the direction of Russian trainers fired the Buk at what they thought was a Ukrainian transport, reported it, saw what was falling from the skies, packed the Buk up on the transporter which was returned to Russia and are now dead.
I want, but for that, we need that black box in competent and honest hands.Why don't you want a proper investigation? Just so Russia can prepare more lies and disinformation?
I am entitled to my beliefs, as are you.Keep believing your own propaganda. Most people can see the truth.
Yes.DFI is the same, Britain bad, Russia good, India awesome, Pakistan rubbish
Excuses won't hide the fact that NATO countries' talk about "freedom of speech" is all hat and no cattle.It's not, the report will be published once they've completed it. Very clever actually to get Russia to veto the tribunal. Watch this space for the entire Russian propaganda machine to start up with lies, spinning, disinformation
Authority of what? Nothing.Authority of what? That I'm an 'anonymous' user of a bulletin board and have Brit Mil experience? A damn sight more experience than you in life and as you're a 'Putin fan boy' ie not prepared to hear or see anything against him or Russia, able to see more than one side of an argument.
To admit you are wrong, you need to be able to recognize your mistakes.Also, unlike you, I admit if I'm wrong
previouslyYou admitted previously to being a Nazi.
Sure,I'll dig up the Blog on RT Bloopers then if that's your evidence threshold.
Whatever that means, means little to this discussion. Ramble along nonetheless.Yeah, RT a propaganda machine reported to Ofcom. Much as I dislike the liberal BBC far more respected internationally than RT.
If that makes you feel better.Not me, you block quoted, so FAIL (again)
No, it simply means "inflammable." That is all. He did not flame me. He just tried to correct me when I was already correct.Before I do, what is the significance of: ОГНЕОПАСНО? Did he flame you or something?
You saw him post that?Video of alleged intercept conversation
No wonder you're fixated about black boxes
Bragging on social media:
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I can't tell which one was photoshopped. I think the one that says "I don't want war" was photoshopped to add the word "don't," but I couldn't tell for sure.
How did I know you'd say thatI can't tell which one was photoshopped. I think the one that says "I don't want war" was photoshopped to add the word "don't," but I couldn't tell for sure.
I know. However, I believe that some Seps may have previously been operators in former service. Whatever, they're now dead. A pity the Russians families are not allowed to grieve for them. It's now an offence in Russia to mention the deaths .........@Scalieback,
No separatist could not operate a Buk. It can only be a crew of professional who has dozens of hours of training.
Former operators must pass combat coordination of the crew. It's about three months of training. In addition , they must be constantly serving the commander. When that tragedy occurred, I immediately said here that this is not the separatists. To hit such a missile "earth-air" was only for crew Ukrainian or Russian army. Later it was proved that the shots came from the territory of temporarily uncontrollable Ukraine.I know. However, I believe that some Seps may have previously been operators in former service. Whatever, they're now dead. A pity the Russians families are not allowed to grieve for them. It's now an offence in Russia to mention the deaths .........
Yeah, that's right good, let the anger flow through you. Edited to add:BBC is internationally recognized as a retarded British propaganda and codswallop spewing website.
You asked me to look it up. I don't need toTell me something I don't know.
Source on shoot downs prior to the actual shoot down?Sure. Anything that challenges what you claim which you cannot substantiate, is a conspiracy theory.
You do realize we have been bombarded with theories like "the separatists did it," since before the plane was shot down, right? It was revealed that the Ukrops began to publish stories about the Russians shooting down the plane even before it actually crashed.
As I said, the Russians have already admitted it was likely a Buk. Your briefings not up to date? I'm a juvenile? So says the 'voice of Russia.'Which BUK crew is dead? First prove that a BUK was involved at all. Then think about BUK crew. You are trying to build the second floor without even building a foundation. Very juvenile of you.
No, I was watching the news at the time. Went on the web for more info and saw lots.You have seen no evidence. All you have read and heard are conspiracy theories.
Yes you do, you believe conspiracy theories about 'stealth SU25's being able to reach, chase, fire missiles and rake with cannon fire a 777No problem. I have my doubts. I don't let my nationalistic jingoism cloud my reasoning skills.
It is and the report will be published in due course.I want, but for that, we need that black box in competent and honest hands.
Mine are based on fact and high probability of the truth. Yours are based on kremlin liesI am entitled to my beliefs, as are you.
As I said, no changeYes.
Cabana's not a Mod. FAILAnd your venerable forum that I shall not name makes it a mandatory skill to be a grade a troll to be qualified for being considered for appointment as a moderator. Example: cabana.
No wonder your standards are abysmal.
You and your Americanisms. Be careful, the land of the free may take you yet.Excuses won't hide the fact that NATO countries' talk about "freedom of speech" is all hat and no cattle.
Did he? He designed various firearms, very good ones. Did he know more about firearms or did he have a specialism in a very small area?Authority of what? Nothing.
A civilian called John Browning understood lot more about firearms than contemporary mil pros.
I will gladly be educated by an aerospace engineer.
Hallelujah. Praise the lord, for he has seen the light!To admit you are wrong, you need to be able to recognize your mistakes.
So you admit to being a Nazi then?previously
undoubtedly
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Lost on me, more Americanism? Anyway, posted.Sure,
"what they call work,
diggin' in the dirt,
gotta get it in the ground,
'fore the rain come down . . ."
It means your propaganda tool has been reprted for being a propaganda tool.Whatever that means, means little to this discussion. Ramble along nonetheless.
Not really, I don't debate like a five year oldIf that makes you feel better.
Roger, seen.No, it simply means "inflammable." That is all. He did not flame me. He just tried to correct me when I was already correct.
No, that's what came out very shortly afterwards. Only needs some voice recognition software though doesn't it?You saw him post that?
Roger, understood. You don't reckon the Russians would have let a former operator do 'on the job training' whilst shooting down AN26's?Former operators must pass combat coordination of the crew. It's about three months of training. In addition , they must be constantly serving the commander. When that tragedy occurred, I immediately said here that this is not the separatists. To hit such a missile "earth-air" was only for crew Ukrainian or Russian army. Later it was proved that the shots came from the territory of temporarily uncontrollable Ukraine.
To confuse An-26 and the Boeing-777 was impossible. On the radar screen displays speed and altitude. An-26 is not able to fly.Roger, understood. You don't reckon the Russians would have let a former operator do 'on the job training' whilst shooting down AN26's?
Seeing as Americans mistook a Tornado for an Iraqi fighter using Patriot, there will be doubt. If you've got a half trained chimp at the controls and he sees contrails and has been shooting AN26's earlier, it's easy to see how the mistake was made.To confuse An-26 and the Boeing-777 was impossible. On the radar screen displays speed and altitude. An-26 is not able to fly.
Personally, I believe it was a tragic accident which if they'd been open and honest about it right from the beginning would have meant everything was resolved. However, the Russians have a habit of lying about shooting down airliners
We can't, Russia has vetoed the tribunal. 11 for, three abstentions and one veto.I told the technical component.The reason why was a start, let set a court or tribunal.
The international Tribunal can be arranged in various ways, not only through the UN security Council. Only the implementation of the decision will be optional for Russia. Modern Russia is closed from the open society like a snail, like North Korea.We can't, Russia has vetoed the tribunal. 11 for, three abstentions and one veto.
Only at the Hague. Without Russian involvement it'll just lead to them saying from the other side of the fence "it's not fair" "boo hoo, everyone hates us" rather than acting like grown ups and helping with the investigationThe international Tribunal can be arranged in various ways, not only through the UN security Council.
I know, that's why Kim was invited to the May Day celebrations. One despot inviting another.Only the implementation of the decision will be optional for Russia. Modern Russia is closed from the open society like a snail, like North Korea.
Only at the Hague. Without Russian involvement it'll just lead to them saying from the other side of the fence "it's not fair" "boo hoo, everyone hates us" rather than acting like grown ups and helping with the investigation
I know, that's why Kim was invited to the May Day celebrations. One despot inviting another.
Much of the internet is banned to them. You can obviously use proxy servers, but do they know how to? Do they know there are different opinions? Sad really.
Even worse is not being able to talk about the war dead. Now an offence. you can't even grieve for your son who was killed in a 'training accident' even though his FB posts said Ukraine. All whilst 'puny Putin' the bare chested hero of mother Russia rapes it dry.
In the meantime, the Rebel leader alleged to be involved is being sued for $900M
Indeed, I am waiting for his own 'Winter Palace' moment. Up the proletariat!Time will put everything in its place and Russian citizens also will clear. At Ceausescu was officially 90% support of the Romanian people. It toppled over the week.
It's okay, I've answered my own question ;-)From some recent Russian tank games apparently. Any Russian speakers have a heads up on this?