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What do I want? I want you to counter the points. Calling someone troll doesn't make one a troll. If you don't have counter points and still want to respond, that is called being a troll.
As I said, response in due course

I just want the truth, unlike you as a Putin 'fan boy'

A "guffaw" doesn't help. Let's see that censored BBC documentary and let's see the contents of that black box. It's been sitting with the Brits for a year now. Interpret it however you want, it does prove the incompetence of the Brits. I am being mild. I am more inclined to believe that the black box contents prove the western politicians to be liars and hence the Brits are simply being dishonest and not revealing the contents.
Nice try on the bite yet again

You take your pick. Incompetence or dishonesty. Shouldn't surprise you. Britain was built upon piracy, theft, and debauchery. Whenever the Brits get involved, we know for sure that they are up to some mischief.
Again, nice try on the bite. Surely you want a proper investigation to ascertain who is responsible for the death of 298 innocent people?

Sorry, just my honest opinion. :devil:


:blah:
Yeah, we've seen repeatedly you support of Putin rather than seeking the truth

Blah blah indeed
 

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As I said, response in due course

I just want the truth, unlike you as a Putin 'fan boy'


Nice try on the bite yet again


Again, nice try on the bite. Surely you want a proper investigation to ascertain who is responsible for the death of 298 innocent people?


Yeah, we've seen repeatedly you support of Putin rather than seeking the truth

Blah blah indeed
Happily enough, I have a life to lead.

Come back and post something that is not equivalent to a BS icon. Till then, enjoy your stouts and pilsners. Is it Sunday yet? Make sure you take a cab, and don't forget your coat. You guys wear it, whether summer or winter, anyway. :scared2:
 

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Happily enough, I have a life to lead.

Come back and post something that is not equivalent to a BS icon. Till then, enjoy your stouts and pilsners. Is it Sunday yet? Make sure you take a cab, and don't forget your coat. You guys wear it, whether summer or winter, anyway. :scared2:
How sad, it's summer in the UK and shirt sleeves are the order of the day. Surely you understand shirt sleeve order from your time in the OTC?

Took the cab thanks, I'm not one to drink and drive as I believe in the rule of law not what Moscow tells me to say
 

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How sad, it's summer in the UK and shirt sleeves are the order of the day. Surely you understand shirt sleeve order from your time in the OTC?

Took the cab thanks, I'm not one to drink and drive as I believe in the rule of law not what Moscow tells me to say
Do you drive on the right side or the wrong side of the road?

Sorry, I live in America and I drive on the right side, the way they drive in Moscow. :pound:

I'll catch ya' later.
 

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@Scalieback, on a side note, please convey my invitation to that skeleton lookalike guy who dances with a scythe in your forum. You might enjoy his company.
 

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Do you drive on the right side or the wrong side of the road?
The French way? Crack on

Sorry, I live in America and I drive on the right side, the way they drive in Moscow. :pound:

I'll catch ya' later.
The same side as the French. Please crack on. I'm sure you'd believe Putin if he said White was black etc.

I implore you @pmaitra seek the truth not the lies and spin
 

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@Scalieback, on a side note, please convey my invitation to that skeleton lookalike guy who dances with a scythe in your forum. You might enjoy his company.
Nobody? Don't know him personally. He's okay IMO. But IIRC I haven't upset him TMK

Why? Did he upset you?
 

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I implore you @pmaitra seek the truth not the lies and spin
I sincerely wish to see the truth. I implore you to do all you can to impress upon your government to release the black box contents and also uncensor the BBC report from the MH-17 crash site.
 

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Nobody? Don't know him personally. He's okay IMO. But IIRC I haven't upset him TMK

Why? Did he upset you?
No, I actually had a nice time pulling his leg.

Just copy paste this if he does not remember me: ОГНЕОПАСНО
 

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@Scalieback, just recalled his nomme-de-plume. It is "Mercury Dancer."

If he does not want to join, then please convey my regards to him.
 

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I sincerely wish to see the truth. I implore you to do all you can to impress upon your government to release the black box contents and also uncensor the BBC report from the MH-17 crash site.
There's an investigation. The outcome of which will be published later this year.

The way investigations take place in the 'free world' mean that sometimes it takes time

This isn't being investigated by some banana republic which 'find' the perps from an opposition leaders death days later. It's a proper legal investigation
 

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@Scalieback, just recalled his nomme-de-plume. It is "Mercury Dancer."

If he does not want to join, then please convey my regards to him.
I haven't seen him on the board for a while tbh. Might have a different account.

I don't really know him but happy to send him a PM if you like?

Edit: why send him a picture of a flame?
 
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@pmaitra re SU25: http://m.aviationweek.com/blog/how-su-25-can-shoot-down-faster-higher-flying-aircraft

I see they believe it was a Russian troll that tried to amend Wiki on the max ceiling of an SU25. I'm sure you'll dispute it :)

How a ground attack aircraft can trail a civ airliner, fire an AA missile which somehow takes out both engines and then fires cannon (not machine guns) beggars belief. It's physically impossible according to air experts I've discussed this with.

Then again, we have opposition leaders killed and former spies irradiated in the 'other' version of events ..........
 

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@pmaitra re SU25: http://m.aviationweek.com/blog/how-su-25-can-shoot-down-faster-higher-flying-aircraft

I see they believe it was a Russian troll that tried to amend Wiki on the max ceiling of an SU25. I'm sure you'll dispute it :)

How a ground attack aircraft can trail a civ airliner, fire an AA missile which somehow takes out both engines and then fires cannon (not machine guns) beggars belief. It's physically impossible according to air experts I've discussed this with.

Then again, we have opposition leaders killed and former spies irradiated in the 'other' version of events ..........
Or it could be a troll from anywhere in the world using a Russian proxy. Attempting to identify the location, or even the loyalty of the Wiki editor using someone’s IP address is naïve.

Let me present a theory (not true, just a possibility): Some official from a NATO country tells the Russian thug Mikhail Khodorkovsky to go into Wiki and edit it with the promise of giving him asylum in case he faced investigations for murdering Vladimir Petukhov, the mayor of Nefteyugansk. Khodorkovsky obeys his master’s command and goes ahead and edits Wiki. Wiki registers a Russian IP address. Then some novice author writes an inane article in “Aviation Week.” Then, your unsuspecting highness picks it up and presents it as an argument here in DFI. Thereafter, I poke holes and demolish that argument, like I just did.

 
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Or it could be a troll from anywhere in the world using a Russian proxy. Attempting to identify the location, or even the loyalty of the Wiki editor using someone’s IP address is naïve.


As I said, I 'm sure you'll dispute it

Let me present a theory (not true, just a possibility):
Some official from a NATO country tells the Russian thug Mikhail Khodorkovsky to go into Wiki and edit it with the promise of giving him asylum in case he faced investigations for murdering Vladimir Petukhov, the mayor of Nefteyugansk. Khodorkovsky obeys his master’s command and goes ahead and edits Wiki. Wiki registers a Russian IP address. Then some novice author writes an inane article in “Aviation Week.” Then, your unsuspecting highness picks it up and presents it as an argument here in DFI. Thereafter, I poke holes and demolish that argument, like I just did.
You really can't help yourself. Another person who has upset 'puny Putin the Czar' has done a runner after trumped up charges. That you defend this pariah state and its megalomaniac leader says more about you frankly

Anyway, last I heard Russia has admitted it is in all probability a Buk so your 'stealth SU25' (so called as it magically 'appeared' on the radar track just after MH17 was shot down) is a none starter. Or aren't your updates from the Kremlin coming through anymore?
 

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I have read about it. It is not what you say. Russia vetoed the resolution because it is premature to have a trial when the investigation is incomplete and in many cases, deliberately blocked or information withheld by NATO countries.
More lies and disinformation. Are they paying you well in your troll factory?

It's a tribunal and 11 said yes, three abstained and Russia said no. Says it all really.

I understand that British technical competence is far below what it used to be in the colonial era, but then, they should hand over the black box to anyone who is competent, and let the truth out. Thereafter, we can think of a UN resolution.
Repeated tries for a bite, gotta love it. There's an investigation headed by the Dutch. Who they want to look at the Black Box is up to them.
 

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BBC is, to put it mildly, a fairy tale website, something in the lines of J. K. Rowling.
BBC, internationally recognised news organ. RT, state propaganda reported to Ofcom. Says it all really.

You've read it? Good. So, you got your answer to your question about "source." That chapter is closed then.
Really? You believe all blogs? I'll post the blogs about RT cock ups if you like?

I believe in anything that doesn't come out of BBC and NYT.
The Guardian? Sky News? Or is it just all western media?

I have Googled Sukhoi-25's stuff. Thanks. Now, you Google the difference between Service Ceiling and Max Operating Altitude.
Service ceiling and max operating altitude. Difference is one where it is designed to work and the other, where it could possibly get to with a prevailing wind, a lot of luck, good conditions etc.

The SU25 according to the designer can't get to 10.5km, let alone intercept (it's slower, so can't chase) a 777 and somehow engage an airliner with a heat seeking missile that doesn't have forward lock on ability and somehow not hit one engine but hit the crew compartment and then the 'mud mover' somehow gets near to the 777 and rakes it with cannon fire. Of all the conspiracy theories, it really is a poor one.

I want the truth. Whether it's Ukrainians', Separatists, Russians or flying saucers. That way 298 innocent lives can be accounted for. Sadly, I believe the Buk crew is now dead and we'll never get the truth because Russia will not cooperate.

Don't use "undoubtedly" when doubts exist. It's like saying "go jump into the pool to dry up."
I have no doubts, based on the evidence I have seen and read, that the Separatist crew under the direction of Russian trainers fired the Buk at what they thought was a Ukrainian transport, reported it, saw what was falling from the skies, packed the Buk up on the transporter which was returned to Russia and are now dead.

If you support the resolution to find out the truth, then you should also support making public of the black box contents and the BBC interview of locals just after the crash which was censored by the "freedom of speech" loving British Brainwashing Corporation.
Why don't you want a proper investigation? Just so Russia can prepare more lies and disinformation?

Yes, checked it between my ears. It's much larger but only those who have one at least as large as mine can appreciate it.
Keep believing your own propaganda. Most people can see the truth.

What politics? Oh dear, you have a lot of catching up to do. DFI is a wealth of information. Spend some time reading.
DFI is the same, Britain bad, Russia good, India awesome, Pakistan rubbish

Correction. There was an investigation. There is nothing going on now. It is stalled.
It's not, the report will be published once they've completed it. Very clever actually to get Russia to veto the tribunal. Watch this space for the entire Russian propaganda machine to start up with lies, spinning, disinformation

You should understand that I am a science graduate, and I have been "indoctrinated" to ask questions and not take things prima facie. You don't speak ex cathedra either, do you? I can say that, undoubtedly. :rofl:
Authority of what? That I'm an 'anonymous' user of a bulletin board and have Brit Mil experience? A damn sight more experience than you in life and as you're a 'Putin fan boy' ie not prepared to hear or see anything against him or Russia, able to see more than one side of an argument.

Also, unlike you, I admit if I'm wrong

Not a Nazi, but a supporter of anything that might help me in my cause against my enemies.
You admitted previously to being a Nazi.

Yes, it is a blog. More importantly, it is not BBC and NYT. That is reliable enough for me.
I'll dig up the Blog on RT Bloopers then if that's your evidence threshold.

Regarding your whateverometer, indeed, because it shows RT as more reliable than whatever you give a whatever for. :blah:
Yeah, RT a propaganda machine reported to Ofcom. Much as I dislike the liberal BBC far more respected internationally than RT.

Edit: I just had to edit my post because someone doesn't know how to quote.
Not me, you block quoted, so FAIL (again)
 
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No, I actually had a nice time pulling his leg.

Just copy paste this if he does not remember me: ОГНЕОПАСНО
Before I do, what is the significance of: ОГНЕОПАСНО? Did he flame you or something?
 

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