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You were silent when pro-Russian Ukrainian government violated Human right in peace time, but you are very vocal when Ukraine's nationalist Government violates human right many times unintentionally as it is war.

It what astonishes me.
Frankly, at that time, I wasn't concentrating anything about Ukraine. I was focussed on the Great Indian Elections. I am vocal now after a long long gap. You can check my posts.

From the time, I ever started posting on this issue, I only questioned the illegal way how a legally elected regime was overthrown and how atrocities were committed against innocent citizens.
 

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Maybe I'm speaking on a hot head, but we have war with Russia, and you're talking about pseudomonal.
You and I may not agree, but it is your internal war a.k.a CIVIL WAR.
 

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You in the ass just send or fax? You insult all Ukrainian military - is an insult to me, too.
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I like it, sometimes, when people do a literal translation direct from their own language. Your comment is not 100% correct (send or receive would be better), but it's at a suitable level for discourse with Aerokan.
 

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Censorship or error? Internet criticism for BBC removal of MH17 report

BBC Russian has come under fire from internet users after deleting its report on the MH17 crash for not meeting 'editorial values.' The reporter questioned says that local militia fired the missile, with locals talking about Ukrainian army planes.

The report on the Malaysian plane tragedy by BBC Russian correspondent Olga Ivshina was released on July 23. She interviewed local witnesses who told her that they saw military aircraft in the sky before the incident.

"And there was another aircraft, a military one, beside it [the Malaysian plane]. Everybody saw it," said one witness.

"It was flying under it [the Malaysian plane], we could see it. It was going underneath the civilian one," added another.
As soon as the report was published on the BBC website, it was immediately deleted. "Document is not available"said the page.

The video of Ivshina's report, released on YouTube, was repeatedly deleted, according to YouTube users.


"Video Deleted YouTube," read the description.
http://rt.com/news/175476-bbc-deleted-report-mh17/

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A system mix up during a Ukrainian air defense units' rocket launch exercise could be the cause of the Malaysia Airlines crash in southeast Ukraine, a source from one of the Ukrainian defense departments told RIA Novosti.
"On July 17 the commanding officer of 156th Anti-Aircraft Regiment was instructed to conduct a training exercise of ground troops stationed near Donetsk, which involved deploying the troops, and carrying out a routine tracking and destroying of targets with the Buk-M1 missile," the source said.
Two Sukhoi Su-25 combat aircraft on a reconnaissance mission participated in the exercise. It is likely at some point, the routes of the Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777 and a Su-25 jet overlapped. Despite flying at different levels, they became a single dot on the radar of the missile system. Of the two, the system automatically chose a larger target.
The reasons for the actual missile launch taking place remain unknown and are still under investigation, as practical exercises with the Buk missiles has been prohibited since 2001, when a Russian Tu-154 passenger airplane en route from Novosibirsk to Tel Aviv was shot down by the Ukrainian military.
At the moment, an international team of 24 experts is investigating the plane crash. The B777-200 aircraft had a clean maintenance record and was last checked on July 11 at Malaysia Airlines' hangar at Kuala Lumpur International Airport.
Ukrainian Air Defense Exercises Might be Behind Malaysian Aircraft Crash – Source | World | RIA Novosti
 
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Similarly, news media such as the BBC, Fox, NYT and all the others are read by most of the English speaking people in EU, US, Australia and the rest of the globe. Don't you think people will believe in their authenticity ? Don't they have a responsibility of providing authentic information ?? Authentic information is always backed by facts and proofs. How many have they offered so far corroborating their claims ??

Russian media has provided phone transcripts of Nuland and others discussing methods to overthrow the Ukrainan regime and install a puppet. Nuland and others involved in those conversations have so far acknowledged that they were indeed true / didn't counter these transcripts. This info was provided by the Russian media and not the Western Media cited above. So which one do you want me to believe ? The one which has been providing proof or the one which is making baseless claims ??

I don't understand how people brains get skewed up ??
In today` world this proofs can easily be manufactured and destroyed at will. If you ask me I am quite adept at photo-shop and can make up a lot of proofs. Anyway I do not want to say more on this issues. Let us wait and watch as the drama unfolds.
 

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Reuters is founded in Canada and it main headquarters is still in Canada.
Don't bother mentioning facts which disagree with that guy's opinion. He has an opinion on everything and has never been wrong in his life.

You can have your opinion, but that does not change the facts or the reality.

Kucinich is maybe anything in your opinion, and everyone in the world cherishes his opinion, yet the fact that Dennis John Kucinich was a former U.S. Representative from Ohio, serving from 1997 to 2013 and also a candidate for the Democratic nomination for President of the United States in the 2004 and 2008 Presidential elections cannot be wished away since that is a reality.

I also believe it that any Tom, Dick and Harry cannot be a Presidential candidate nominee.

You may not believe him, but having seen how the US and its agencies and KGB and its agencies subvert democracy and national institutions, I don't require Kucinich or anyone to tell me what I have seen and know.
I think you maybe misunderstood me a bit. As I was saying, I don't have opinions of serving members of the American parliament nor their domestic politics. Kucinich had a long career and while I'd disagree with you, in that there have been some Tom's, Dick's and Harry's who were U.S. Presidental candidates, Kucinich did seem to have reasonable, but no where near enough, support with in his own party for his candidacy.

To be honest while I, sort of, read it yesterday, I've actually forgotten what Kucinich said in that link you posted yesterday... I might go back and read it sometime this weekend. But, to me Kucinich is verging on persona non grata now and while he may have more knowledge than the average person about how the US government works, I wouldn't be able to read anything he's written without assuming it's a Sean Penn endorsed attempt to weaken the Republican party. Oh yes... and he's seen a UFO :-/

If you don't listen to Kucinich, then atleast listen to Ron Paul, the best presidential candidate in the recent times. If you believe in Obama and not Ron Paul, then i guess there is no hope for most of the people.
While Ray may have misunderstood me (he didn't really, he just wanted to debate), you have willfully misunderstood me and gone off on some strange irrelevant tangent. Well, not so strange as all your comments on this thread are either; bordering on, or totally, irrelevant and apart from engaging in persistant, offensive (stop talking about the passengers of MH17) abuse your style of posting has no coherence and going off on tangents seems your SOP.

Which part of me saying I have no opinion (at least to express in public) of American domestic politics, or politicians, did you misunderstand? Why do you think I believe in Obama? I was, vaguely, criticising Kucinich who's more Obamaesque than Obama. Why would I be listening to Ron Paul? I'm not an American citizen, I don't get to vote (/or not) for him.

What is it with the more objectionably posters on this thread/ board and their obsession with the cult of individuality around foreign political figures? I think it's some kind of inferiority complex. Ron Paul, or whoever, aren't Jesus/ Moses/ Mohammed/ Buddha/ Ganesha (who's the "best" Hindu god BTW???)/ etc...
 
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Ganesha (who's the "best" Hindu god BTW???)
No...

Frankly, at that time, I wasn't concentrating anything about Ukraine. I was focussed on the Great Indian Elections. I am vocal now after a long long gap. You can check my posts.

From the time, I ever started posting on this issue, I only questioned the illegal way how a legally elected regime was overthrown and how atrocities were committed against innocent citizens.
Well then,

1) Election in Ukraine was not free, pro-Russia Government controlled election in Putin or Iran's Revolutionary style. So it was impossible to change Ukrainian Government peacefully.

2) People's wish comes at first. In Ukraine people had no choice apart from street protest. That's why Government change by Coup happened. Just for example in France in 1789, Public anger brought down contemporary system ignoring all conventional ways.

People's protest or Euromaidan revolution was spontaneous.

There is no CIA conspiracy.

In fact in Communist language, Pro-Russia rebels are reactionary.
 

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You and I may not agree, but it is your internal war a.k.a CIVIL WAR.
Stupid things I say. You saw the photo, where soldiers of the Russian army, with a rocket-propelled grenade. a "gift" for Ukraine.
 

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:)

I like it, sometimes, when people do a literal translation direct from their own language. Your comment is not 100% correct (send or receive would be better), but it's at a suitable level for discourse with Aerokan.
I don't live in an English-speaking society. Indeed, Russian words I replace English and are looking for synonyms, because for many of the words have no English equivalents. I taught English at the Institute. and not in the streets of Harlem.

Писюха кичится, что хапнула у жмурья тушь. По жизни давалка. Видимо, смачно раздвинула ноги и заработала презент, прошмандовка
Woman boasts that took away the dead mascara Apparently prostitute. Well served separatist and received it as a gift. This a fallen woman.
Сandian, take her to Russia.


Mascara from Amsterdam, rather from the field, well guessed from he.
 
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25th July 2014, city Donetsk, Donetsk republic
In the Novorossia local engineers create new type of weapon.
Pavel Gubarev, he is member of Army Staff of Donetsk People Republic show new kind of weapon. Engineers of DPR had been developed a new kind of small arms for sabotage and intelligence groups.
It is a noiseless sub-machine gun. Suitable for a Makarov gun cartridge.
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25th July 2014, city Donetsk, Donetsk republic
In the Novorossia local engineers create new type of weapon.
Pavel Gubarev, he is member of Army Staff of Donetsk People Republic show new kind of weapon. Engineers of DPR had been developed a new kind of small arms for sabotage and intelligence groups.
It is a noiseless sub-machine gun. Suitable for a Makarov gun cartridge.
Chechnya SMG Borz
 

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Ukrainian unit encircled by the rebels on the southern direction

 

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You in the ass just send or fax? You insult all Ukrainian military - is an insult to me, too.
Yes, my purpose of the comment was to insult you so that you can atleast understand that what you said with regards to rebels being 1/3 Russians and 1/3 mercenaries and 1/3 traitors. If you insult the rebel armies and the rebel govt's, then you should expect the same from others in return.

Also I don't clearly understand what you wrote here. Was that supposed to be an insult? Or are you praising me for telling the truth about Ukrainian forces? :rolleyes::namaste:
 

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Yes, my purpose of the comment was to insult you so that you can atleast understand that what you said with regards to rebels being 1/3 Russians and 1/3 mercenaries and 1/3 traitors. If you insult the rebel armies and the rebel govt's, then you should expect the same from others in return.

Also I don't clearly understand what you wrote here. Was that supposed to be an insult? Or are you praising me for telling the truth about Ukrainian forces? :rolleyes::namaste:
We are at war with these people and have the right to be insulting remarks to each other. I can understand Russian citizens, who will insult, because we have a state of undeclared war. And who gave you the right, when you occupy the bottom side - to condemn? The biggest thing you did - it farted in the chair.
 

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@Akim so is Ukraine Military powerful enough to beat pro-Russia rebels?

Can Ukraine win this war?
 
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