Civil war in Ukraine

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Actually China is equally dependent. Integrated Circuit and intellectual properties are all owned by Western countries. Even advanced software.

China don't care about restrictions. However, China will not sell its military electronics.
 

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OOOPS!



Barak Hussein Obama said:
And since Mr. Putin made this decision around Crimea and Ukraine - not because of some grand strategy, but essentially because he was caught off-balance by the protests in the Maidan and Yanukovych then fleeing after we had brokered a deal to transition power in Ukraine - since that time, this improvisation that he's been doing has getting - has gotten him deeper and deeper into a situation that is a violation of international law, that violates the integrity, territorial integrity and sovereignty of Ukraine, has isolated Russia diplomatically, has made Europe wary of doing business with Russia, has allowed the imposition of sanctions that are crippling Russia's economy at a time when their oil revenues are dropping.
PRES OBAMA on Fareed Zakaria GPS – CNN Press Room - CNN.com Blogs

1) Coup in Kiev was successful only because it was backed by America.
2) Crimea and Novorossia - defensive and not well-calculated reaction of mr. Putin on this pro-American Coup.

Things can't be more clear. I'm talking about the same from the very beginning.
 
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@Cadian, we know already. I have posted tons of quotes from reputed Western sources on this very board.

Honestly we don't want this Ukraine war. This war is very bad for India also. However this is what USA wants. So others are forced partners.
 
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You keep on repeating the same lies over and over again. USA's war against Russia is actually quite old and did not stop with the end of cold war. We are seeing a new phase of USA's war with Russia.

Russia and China are the adversaries left in world domination spree of small clique that actually rules the Western world including USA.
Question for you Einstein: If the Americans and Europeans are all-out against Russia then why is it that until now they have not sanctioned Putin?
 

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1) Coup in Kiev was successful only because it was backed by America.


No. Coup in Kiev was successful because majority of Ukrainians are so feed up with Russia's imperialistic attitudes towards it. Majority of Ukrainians wants to be closer to EU for economic reasons, they want better lives for themselves and their families.


2) Crimea and Novorossia - defensive and not well-calculated reaction of mr. Putin on this pro-American Coup.

Things can't be more clear. I'm talking about the same from the very beginning.
Novorossia is Putin's vehicle to subvert Ukraine's attempt to join EU.
 

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It seems that the Americans are slowly acknowledging that economic sanctions alone are not working against Putin.
"Americans?" No. The US government, not Americans. Most Americans will not support a bunch of Nazi Fascists.

"Slowly acknowledging?" Ha ha ha. Look below.

"Donetsk Republic and knew long ago that Americans are supplying weapons to the APU, but only recently found evidence of this. Here and machines and prohibited ammunition with explosive core. This weapon was demonstrated OSCE delegation headed by Hugom at work meeting of the Joint Center for Control and Coordination (DNR representatives, Ukraine, Russia and the OSCE). They promised to put on record. "

The irony is, the pictures of NATO weapons was posted before you made your "slowly acknowledging" comment.

Now, slowly acknowledge that you are clueless about what you are writing.

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No. Coup in Kiev was successful because majority of Ukrainians are so feed up with Russia's imperialistic attitudes towards it. Majority of Ukrainians wants to be closer to EU for economic reasons, they want better lives for themselves and their families.
Wrong, as usual.

Yanukovich was elected. The coup regime came to power through violence.
 

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No. Coup in Kiev was successful because majority of Ukrainians are so feed up with Russia's imperialistic attitudes towards it. Majority of Ukrainians wants to be closer to EU for economic reasons, they want better lives for themselves and their families.

Novorossia is Putin's vehicle to subvert Ukraine's attempt to join EU.
No one has ever offered Ukraine to join EU. No one has ever proposed any kind of a road-map to prepare Ukraine for joining EU. Association with EU was propagandized only by political means (be closer to Europe), but economical part was not explained to people.

Actually, economic impact of this agreement was so bad, that it was postponed by both Azarov and Yatsenyuk governments.
 

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No one has ever offered Ukraine to join EU. No one has ever proposed any kind of a road-map to prepare Ukraine for joining EU. Association with EU was propagandized only by political means (be closer to Europe), but economical part was not explained to people.

Actually, economic impact of this agreement was so bad, that it was postponed by both Azarov and Yatsenyuk governments.
You are arguing with a broken record. He has a limited set of statements to write, and if you offer any argument, he will continue to repeat the same set of statements.
 

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No one has ever offered Ukraine to join EU. No one has ever proposed any kind of a road-map to prepare Ukraine for joining EU. Association with EU was propagandized only by political means (be closer to Europe), but economical part was not explained to people.
The end-game was full pledged EU membership. The EU AA was the entry point.

Putin bristled at the idea of Ukraine entering into the EU AA because it meant that the biggest country outside Russia that he was planning to dupe into membership into his Customs Union, his vehicle to Russia's imperialistic resurrection, will no longer join it. Without Ukraine Putin's Custom's Unions is a farce.


Actually, economic impact of this agreement was so bad, that it was postponed by both Azarov and Yatsenyuk governments.
Actually the concern of negative economic impact was on your part because of your government's concern that EU products will enter Russia through Ukraine. Ukraine on the other hand agreed to the postponment to give time to its local companies to prepare for the Eu-Ukrainian trade liberalization under the AA.
 

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The end-game was full pledged EU membership. The EU AA was the entry point.
This myth has been debunked many times, even by western sources.

Putin bristled at the idea of Ukraine entering into the EU AA because it meant that the biggest country outside Russia that he was planning to dupe into membership into his Customs Union, his vehicle to Russia's imperialistic resurrection, will no longer join it. Without Ukraine Putin's Custom's Unions is a farce.
The EU Membership (as you claim, which is actually an Association Agreement), would have hurt Ukraine, and therefore, those plans were shelved by . . . , well, what is the point in repeating the same thing which has been stated already?

Actually the concern of negative economic impact was on your part because of your government's concern that EU products will enter Russia through Ukraine. Ukraine on the other hand agreed to the postponment to give time to its local companies to prepare for the Eu-Ukrainian trade liberalization under the AA.
Oh yes, Russia has every right to counter smuggling under the cover of EU AA.
 

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LC shot down "Tochka-U"

Militiamen shot down a missile Tochka-U under Lugansk.

rocket explosion was so powerful that residents of Alchevsk think that the representatives of the militia shot down a military plane. The air system militia hit by a Ukrainian missile Tochka-U on the outskirts of Luhansk. Part of the ballistic missile fell near the Alchevsk Metallurgical Plant. The bow of the Tochka-U flew away and detonated. Earlier it was reported that the night before the Army Air Defense DNI hit by enemy aircraft over the settlement Horlovks. It does not specify what kind of technique militia shot down and whether the downed aircraft and the elimination of points, have the same fact. " Ополченцы сбили ракету «Точка-У» под Луганском - Первый по срочным новостям — LIFE | NEWS - zinc PS. This is so to speak illustration to the question of why, in the presence of a number of attack helicopters and planes, the junta is afraid to use them. In fact the same "Carapace" knowingly recently trimmed to in this regard was not any illusions. PS2. As for the aircraft under Gorlovka yet no reliable evidence, there Incidentally version that there yesterday too, "Dot" intercepted.
 
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Debaltsevo cauldron *not* closed yet
The Vineyard of the Saker: Novorussia SITREP: Debaltsevo cauldron *not* closed yet

Colonel Cassad (in English) - The Debalcevo protrusion. February 1st. Evening.
1. There is no encirclement as such yet, so I would wait with exercises on the topic of "come up with the best joke about the cauldron," for now it is only possible to speak of irregularly shelling the crucial road. It is very important to not confuse this with a completed encirclement.
2. By the evening there were confirmation that the majority of Uglegorsk is under our control, the enemy hooked onto the outskirts of the town, but there's no speaking of returning control over Uglegorsk. There is major damage in the town.
3. Also the fact of sweeping Nikishino from the enemy was confirmed, which is a minor tactical success on the one side, but on the other side this village was contested for several months, so February 1st became the day of completing the battered epic of fighting for Nikishino, in the end our forces managed to finish off the junta here.
4. Under Chernukhino it is not so bright today: the enemy repelled our attacks and has maintained control over this important settlement.
5. Debalcevo itself is under the junta control, our forces stand in its forward defense zone and apparently wait for the development of the situation under Uglegorsk, because the head-on assault on Debalcevo isn't promising any quick results.
6. Fighting continued in the area of Krasnyi Pakhar. Troitskoye is still under the junta. Here the chances of overwhelming the enemy activity and renewing the strikes on Svetlodarsk and Mironovka are minimal.
7. Dryomov and his security detail fell under an artillery strike today in the recently captured Sanzharovka. As it was announced, Dryomov himself was unaffected, but there were KIAs among his companions.
8. About the losses: they very between different locations, but overall they are significant. After the intensity of military action will reduce, quite a bit of time will be required for reinforcing and bringing the battered units into order.
9. At this moment our forces mostly make progress due to artillery fire, which is accompanied by the actions of infantry that is reinforced with armor when the enemy cannot withstand it and retreats. As before, the cooperation of different types of military leaves much to be desired. One can always proudly announce that the militia became an army, but when it gets to action, then various screw-ups emerge, which are corrected at the price of blood.

 
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You are arguing with a broken record. He has a limited set of statements to write, and if you offer any argument, he will continue to repeat the same set of statements.
The hardest thing is to prove the obvious.
Simple things.
Like economic growth for Ukraine was possible only in cooperation with Russia, development of joint hi-tech projects, common market, etc.
Like Russia was ready to invest billions of dollars in Ukraine, has offered discounts on gas and preferential credits.
Like the association with EU leads most of Ukrainian industry to bankruptcy.
Like the word "Independence" has more readings than "Independence from Russia".

asianobserve said:
he end-game was full pledged EU membership. The EU AA was the entry point.
Never. You are mistaking. I repeat - NO ONE OF THE EU POLITICIANS HAS EVER OFFERED UKRAINE TO JOIN EU. And no one called the association an entry point. Ukrainians were fooled by thinking so.
 
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The hardest thing is to prove the obvious.
Simple things.
Like economic growth for Ukraine was possible only in cooperation with Russia, development of joint hi-tech projects, common market, etc.
Like Russia was ready to invest billions of dollars in Ukraine, has offered discounts on gas and preferential credits.
Like association with EU leads most of Ukrainian industry to bankruptcy.
Like the word "Independence" has more readings than "Independence from Russia".
All of this has also been posted over the past one year.

No country has given as much aid as Russia. The amount of money spent by Russia is by far more than that spent by the rest of the western world combined. Most of the money spent by the west has been to groom the Ukro-Nazis.

The so called western "well wishers" of Ukraine, never cared to even supply coal to the freezing Ukrainians, and it was Russia who had to supply coal.
 

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