bhramos
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http://gorod.lugansk.ua/index.php?newsid=25088Civilians
Victims - 44 people
including children - 1
Wounded - 215 people
including children - 4
Destruction
Apartment buildings - 46
Private Sector Housing - 195
Social facilities
Schools - 3
Kindergartens - 12
bus station
pharmacy warehouses
Objects industrial sphere
Plants - 5
Warehouses of finished products of private enterprises - 10
Stores - 18
Including supermarkets - 3
Catering - 2
60% of city markets closed.
Critical infrastructure of the city
Damaged trolleybuses - 10
Trams - 5
Municipal buses - 3
Taxis - 40
Electric contact lines - 10 km
Power lines - 19 km
Roadbed - 17000 sq.m.
Boiler - 6
Electrosubstations - 11
Water supply facilities - 4
To provide medical assistance to the population lacking 150 doctors and 250 nurses.
Any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: killing members of the group; causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life, calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; [and] forcibly transferring children of the group to another group. (Article 2 CPPCG)
The Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide (CPPCG) was adopted by the UN General Assembly on 9 December 1948 and came into effect on 12 January 1951 (Resolution 260 (III)). Article 2:
I'll try to answer in a few words, but these questions require much more explanation.@Cadian
Whatever be the claims of all the sides in the Ukrainian civil war, the situation is so murky that one one cannot fathom as to what is the truth.
What you could do to help us understand is:
1. Are the Russian speaking East Europeans, Russians or Ukrainians?
2. What is their problem to identify with Ukraine?
3. How can anyone be sure if Russians have not come to assist the East Ukrainians?
How can you confirm this piece of info ?? Better still, you don't have to confirm anything for me, first confirm it to yourself. Are you in possession of classified info as to which aircraft was flying, their call signs and radio chatter ?? Nada...zilch...nothing !!! So, keep your opinions to yourself and instead try to gather proof.Except for su-25 on the arms of Ukraine is the su-24, su-27, MiG-29. This day was only the attack aircraft..
Thank God, people who see the truth do not claim that Putin is a weak President and Obama is taking advantage of him....or else, we would have witnessed a greater catastrophe.Obama is a weak President and Putler takes advantage of this.
Because he was not intercepted civil jet. He only had weapons of a class "air-surface" and he supported our troops.My question is simple.. Why did the Su-25 take off without any weapons on it when it is trying to intercept the civilian aircraft MH17?
Ukrainskie fighters do not use the R-60. On arms of Ukraine class AA: R-73, "Gran", R-27.
R-73 (missile) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaThe R-73 is an infrared-guided (heat-seeking) missile with a sensitive, cryogenic cooled seeker with a substantial "off-boresight" capability: the seeker can "see" targets up to 40° off the missile's centerline.[3] It can be targeted by a helmet-mounted sight (HMS) allowing pilots to designate targets by looking at them. Minimum engagement range is about 300 meters, with maximum aerodynamic range of nearly 30 km (19 mi) at altitude. The weapon is used by the MiG-29, MiG-31, Su-27, Su-34 and Su-35, and can be carried by newer versions of the MiG-21, MiG-23, Sukhoi Su-24, and Su-25 aircraft.[4] India is looking to use the missile on their HAL Tejas. It can also be carried by Russian attack helicopters, including the Mil Mi-24, Mil Mi-28, and Kamov Ka-50.
The R-73 is a highly maneuverable missile and mock dogfights have indicated that the high degree of "off-boresight" capability of the R-73 would make a significant difference in combat. The missile also has a mechanically simple but effective system for thrust-vectoring.
It is not mathematics. To Fire-and-forget the R-73, Gran took target Su-25 would need to climb a steep angle . This is not to allow the work aileron and elevators.Pardon me for quoting from Wiki, but I guess this is quite accurate description of the R-73. Now going by your contention that Su-25 has a max ceiling of 7000 meters and with weapons 5000 meters, I ask you, isn't it possible for a Su-25 to shoot a missile flying at much lower height than the MH-17 ??
I am not going to prove. There is a Russian proverb: Тебе хоть кол на голове теши. You even in the crystal clear water, will find a patch of dirt. You won't even believe that this is not a civil war, what sense to convince the rest? To manage artillery, tanks, to command units need officer training, and not the "militia", which first took the AR.Since the outset of this whole civil war, if you had cared to provide concrete proof of the Ukrainian innocence atleast once, I bet, all the Indians on this forum and elsewhere would have supported you outright.
xxx And you started to disrespect your dead countrymen by blaming a country without getting to facts and you continue to do so even after Russia presented the facts and the data it has with it's ATC with videos and radar analysis in open and also handed over the FDR to the Malaysian authorities in open event. xxx
Cheap. Who said that all these specialists need to be on active duty in Russian army. But covert supplying Donbass with hardware and volunteers still remains a half-measure, because it can't stop depopulation of these region and is not enough to stop Ukrainian army. The best moment for invasion was missed after 11th May referendums, when it could prevent the current bloody hell.I am not going to prove. There is a Russian proverb: Тебе хоть кол на голове теши. You even in the crystal clear water, will find a patch of dirt. You won't even believe that this is not a civil war, what sense to convince the rest? To manage artillery, tanks, to command units need officer training, and not the "militia", which first took the AR.
You forgot. Russia first has created Nazi regimes in Georgia, Moldova and quarreled Armenia and Azerbaijan (they were best friends, really). And USSR collapse was a part of this bandit terrorist plan too.This is a common tactic of Russia. To create a quasi-state (Nagorny Karabakh, Abkhazia, South Ossetia, Transnistria), enter its "peacemakers" and to build these "government" weapons.
Hmm. Please clarify - with someone from the "aggressor" country or with someone who supports the "aggression"? I'm not even agreed with the statement that "Russia is an aggressor".@Cadian;I REPEAT AGAIN. I WILL NOT ENTER INTO A DISCUSSION WITH SOMEONE FROM THE AGGRESSOR COUNTRY.