All in God's hands. However, a year ago, no one even in a nightmare, could not imagine a war between Russia and Ukraine. We don't have now fighters and helicopters, NATO standard. Canada wants us to pass a few dozen CF-18, Spain a few F-16C. U.S. - several hundred attack and transport helicopters. However, their use must learn. This is a very long process (up to 3 years). Now, we need IFVs and APCS, trucks, and army jeeps . After the militants and the Russian army began to apply the MRLS (Grad, Uragan and Smerch) have dramatically increased loss in the technique (approximately 3.5 to 5 thousand).Disagree with your opinion that there will be a major war. But, do agree that the West wont be getting militarily involved in the Ukraine and BBC reporting would be coming from that perspective.
Much early in this thread I was saying the Ukraine has used western media far more effectively than the Georgian's did back when Russia attacked them. The mindset of the Georgian leadership seemed very much in line with some of this threads more conspiratorial (i.e. most pro Russian) posters i.e. "the West" is some big scary monster capable of miracles which is opposed to Russia.
Truth is, few in the West really care about Russia. No one is ready to fight them and getting involved in wars in eastern Europe is something which most "Western" nations tend to avoid.
Case in point, Russia murdered 27 Australians. We've given no concrete, military, help to the Ukraine. Some bearded idiots start killing some other bearded idiots in some God foresaken shithole and Australia sends 8 Super Hornets, an undisclosed number of special forces troops, and 600 support personal to Iraq.
You shouldn't start believing this thread's posts about these shadowy Western mercenaries etc... fighting a proxy war. The Ukraine wont be getting any real help from the West. Conversely, no one (in the West) cares too much about what the Ukraine does to defend itself.
Speaking of chameleon, I found the perfect frog to inspire the paint scheme for the Kiev regime's helicopters. That way, once they are shot down, which they do frequently, they can be easily spotted.You are a chameleon!. You I had been like when i was convicted for attempting to disrupt the concert Anny Lorak. You are so poor in information that does not know that this is not the first attempt to disrupt concerts of the other singers. And everywhere Euromaydan got face of policies. Как говоритÑÑ Ñ„ÑйÑом об Ñ‚Ñйбл.
Are you a moron? You showed the infamous photo. Medical machines only shot by the fascists in WW II. The Luftwaffe and the Wehrmacht refused to do it. When, for the first time stormed the airport (in may) chechens/ kadyrovtsy, used Ambulance for transportation of ammunition and militants, knowing what to shoot them will not.Speaking of chameleon, I found the perfect frog to inspire the paint scheme for the Kiev regime's helicopters. That way, once they are shot down, which they do frequently, they can be easily spotted.
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As per my information, during the fight near Donetsk Airport in May, wounded militia who were being transported in a truck were shot at by (1) Kiev gunmen, (2) Rinat Akhmetov's men, or (3) both. There are various versions. I ask @Cadian to confirm this.Are you a moron? You showed the infamous photo. Medical machines only shot by the fascists in WW II. The Luftwaffe and the Wehrmacht refused to do it. When, for the first time stormed the airport (in may) chechens/ kadyrovtsy, used Ambulance for transportation of ammunition and militants, knowing what to shoot them will not.
@Cadian -this is an excellent informant. The man who never was in Ukraine. Tell me me why I never advise you to India and USA?As per my information, during the fight near Donetsk Airport in May, wounded militia who were being transported in a truck were shot at by (1) Kiev gunmen, (2) Rinat Akhmetov's men, or (3) both. There are various versions. I ask @Cadian to confirm this.
BTW, that barely noticeable '+' sign on that helicopter, which I noticed just now, proves nothing. The Kiev regime has used UN marked helicopters before. You have no case. Try again.
And this is a very poor argument. Being once in Ukraine or Donetsk does not automatically keep you with up-to-date info too.@Cadian -this is an excellent informant. The man who never was in Ukraine. Tell me me why I never advise you to India and USA?
https://www.icrc.org/applic/ihl/ihl...6739003e636b/fe20c3d903ce27e3c125641e004a92f3Chapter VII. The Distinctive Emblem
Art. 38. As a compliment to Switzerland, the heraldic emblem of the red cross on a white ground, formed by reversing the Federal colours, is retained as the emblem and distinctive sign of the Medical Service of armed forces.
Nevertheless, in the case of countries which already use as emblem, in place of the red cross, the red crescent or the red lion and sun on a white ground, those emblems are also recognized by the terms of the present Convention.
I agree that the logo does not match the Geneva Convention, but the militants don't care about the Convention too. We have never had so many armored ambulances on the basis of the APC. Now there is in each battalion tactical group. Because the militants destroy paramedic truks, ambulance, medical buses, with the wounded.And this is a very poor argument. Being once in Ukraine or Donetsk does not automatically keep you with up-to-date info too.
Look at what's written in Geneva convention:
https://www.icrc.org/applic/ihl/ihl...6739003e636b/fe20c3d903ce27e3c125641e004a92f3
According to this, your poor Hip medevac isn't recognized as a Medical Service transport.
And moreover. We have all seen this:
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Your so-called Government really does not care.
Just for discussion's sake.I agree that the logo does not match the Geneva Convention, but the militants don't care about the Convention too.
Are the militants that devastating that APCs are replacing normal military ambulances?We have never had so many armored ambulances on the basis of the APC. Now there is in each battalion tactical group.
Gaggle is used for geese.@<a href="http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/member.php?u=261" target="_blank">Ray</a>
Sarcasm? It's not a gaggle. This well-armed, with the help of Russia, grouping. A rough estimate 10-15 thousand. 2/3 of it's militants from other countries. Together with the Russian army, in early September, there were 40 thousand. Now the Russian army gradually removes troops from the territory of Ukraine.
Gaggle is used for geese.
And geese are noisy.
I was trying to take your side and you call that sarcasm?
Well armed? Maybe.
But the Ukrainian Army and the foreign mercenaries mentioned by the BBC, are weak and weary and weapon less?
And if you feel East Ukraine is with Ukraine, then stand up and fight for your homeland.
I find that you also mention Churches.
I, for one, cannot believe a Communist can become religious.The war for religion is only part of the militants.
keep forgeting that "Ukraine" is not something different to "russia"I'm sorry. I just don't know who to trust on this site. This "Sofa war"cut the ground from under his feet. Now the Russian troops on the territory of Ukraine about 5 thousand. This is mainly spechnaz GRU, paratroopers and specialists of air defense , artillery or tanks.
The war for religion is only part of the militants.
Talking about "greek" catholic church .. in fact a false flag schema of Catholicism to invade eastern Orthodox church by dressing their catholic priests as orthodox ..I, for one, cannot believe a Communist can become religious.
They are, including those who were a part of the USSR, can ever be religious, except the Muslims of USSR, since Islam is a very forceful religion that has a very strong message for their believers.
[video]I have been getting a lot of flak from offended Latin Christians about my posts in which I claim that the Vatican is the "creator" of the Ukraine and that it still plays a central role in feeding the anti-Russian and anti-Orthodox hatred in the Ukraine. I already posted one such example recently, and today I am posting this second one. Not because I want to bash Latin Christians, but because I believe, strongly, that the truth about the Ukraine cannot be understood unless the behind-the-scenes "feeder mechanisms" are brought to light. And since my blog has never been a popularity contest, I fully plan to continue "covering" this topic (-: it will never get me as much flak as my unrepentant use of the "AngloZionist" anywayUniat priests calls for depriving Orthodox from basic civil rights
I just saw this one on YouTube and it is very good. Here what it says about this video in the "About" section of the YouTube page: (with original spelling).
"UA priest calls to deprive parishioners of Moscow Patriarchate churhces of rights to be elected and work in official organizations. A bit ironic, as in fact he talks not about churches in Russia, but canonical local Ukrainian Orthodox Christian Church which formally subordinates to Moscow Patriarchate and is opposed by not-recognized "Church of Kyiv Patriarchate" which splitted from Ukrainian Orthodox Christian Church after Philaret (patriarch of Kyiv Patriarchate) failed to be elected as new Patriarch in the beginning of 90's".
Now, longtime readers already know that I do not recognized the Moscow Patriarchate as a legitimate part of the Russian Orthodox Church (for details, read this: The Vineyard of the Saker: Russia and Islam, part two: Russian Orthodoxy where I explain this little known but crucial issue) and I also oppose the use of the term "canonical" in the sense of "recognized by the powers that be" which is, apparently, how the author (and most modernist and ecumenist Orthodox people understand it to be). In the Ukraine one side recognizes one Orthodox Church as "canonical" because the secular power in Kiev happens to recognize it as such (for purely political reasons) and calls the other "schismatic" while the other side also recognizes one Orthodox Church as "canonical" because the secular power in Moscow happens to recognize it it as such (also for purely political reasons) as calls the other "schismatic. In the authentic Christian tradition "canonical" does not mean "recognized by the secular regime" but rather "in accordance with Church canons". That is a topic where neither the Ukie Church nor the Moscow Patriarchate wants to go, or even mention [those interested in the topic, please see the note at the bottom of this page]. With all these caveats in mind, I have to say the following:
What this Uniat priest proposes is quite amazing. Not only do they want to seize the church buildings which belong to the "autonomous" Ukrainian Orthodox Chruch to which the Moscow Patriarchate granted autonomy (for purely political reasons, what else?) but he wants to deprive of political rights (hold an official position) those Ukrainians who attend these "autonomous" UOC parishes. The Ukies call that "lustration". See for yourself:
I have been getting a lot of flak from offended Latin Christians about my posts in which I claim that the Vatican is the "creator" of the Ukraine and that it still plays a central role in feeding the anti-Russian and anti-Orthodox hatred in the Ukraine. I already posted one such example recently, and today I am posting this second one. Not because I want to bash Latin Christians, but because I believe, strongly, that the truth about the Ukraine cannot be understood unless the behind-the-scenes "feeder mechanisms" are brought to light. And since my blog has never been a popularity contest, I fully plan to continue "covering" this topic (-: it will never get me as much flak as my unrepentant use of the "AngloZionist" anyway
To me, this is quite simple, really: intellectually honest Latin Christians will be distressed by this, but they will not bother denying it or "explaining it away", and they will do whatever they can in their personal lives to oppose and denounce this. Those less encumbered by honesty will try hard to deny it, blame "a few bad apples", try to find "Orthodox equivalents" in the past or say they personally never saw any manifestation of anti-Orthodox hatred (those interested in the techniques used by these Latins can see here and here).
Still, I hope that most readers will find this topic relevant, important and not discussed elsewhere (which is one of the key goals of this blog).
Some of you might point out that the Moscow Patriarchate has a long record of using state power to persecute non-MP Orthodox Christians. This is quite true, even today. But I would point out a crucial difference: in the past, such actions were the result of the policies of the top MP clergy - bishops, not priests - and in more recent times, I would even argue that only a small minority of MP bishops. This is a small consolation of those on the receiving end of such actions (they typically get their parishes taken away by OMON forces), but I think that it is important to be honest here and say that nowadays the vast majority of MP laity and a strong majority of MP clergy does not support that kind of thuggery. That does not make the MP more legitimate in a (correctly used) canonical sense, but it most definitely makes it much more "Christian" in an ethical sense, certainly more than it was even 15-20 years ago. Uniat hatred for Orthodoxy is a normal and widespread phenomenon, it is a core feature of the Uniat identity and it has no equivalent inside the Moscow Patriarchate.
Finally, just to preempt another attempts at equating the unequatable, you may notice that this Uniat is disguising himself - with cross and all - as an Orthodox priest. You will never see an Orthodox priest disguising himself as a Latin. This is a purely Latin thing to do to con the ignorant. Likewise, the Units are obliged to accept the Frankish version of the Symbol of Faith (aka "Creed") in which the words "and the Son" (or filioque) are added to the original text, but they are not obliged to say that when they recite the Symbol. This "believing one thing, but not saying so" is also a unique Latin feature which serves the same purpose at the disguise: to con the ignorant and erase visible differences (not matter how crucial - there is no higher dogma in Christianity then the Symbol). This is also why the Latins always speak of geography (eastern Churches) or appearances (eastern Rite) but almost never about fundamental dogmatic disagreements (of which there are plenty!) or about the undeniable fact that the West has been Orthodox for the first 1000 years of its history.
Cheers,
The Saker
Note for those interested in the topic:
In the true Christian tradition a Church *never* derives its authenticity (or, to misuse the modern term again, its "canonicity") from the secular state nor from the number of churches (in the sense of church, parish, *buildings*) you have acquired courtesy of state patronage. As I have mentioned it here in the past, the "criterion of truth" or the "authentic Christian character" from a Church is derived according to the following ancient principles:
The full unadulterated preservation faith "which the Lord gave, was preached by the Apostles, and was preserved by the Fathers. On this was the Church founded; and if anyone departs from this, he neither is nor any longer ought to be called a Christian" (St. Athanasius)
and
The full unadulterated preservation of that "which has been believed everywhere, always and by all" (Saint Vicent of Lerins). So no innovations, especially no dogmatic ones.
The short-term combining the two above is often referred to as "consensus of the Fathers" (consensus patrum): that upon which the saints and councils of the early Church agreed upon.
One could say that the innovating "got-their-canonicity-from-the-secular-state" Churches are all in communion with each other, but not in communion with the original, early Church.
Who would have said! A fragment of the Ottoman Empire. To you it is pleasant? I don't think so.keep forgeting that "Ukraine" is not something different to "russia"
keep forgeting what Kiev was.. and who was Oleg of Novgorod >> Oleg of Novgorod - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
keep forgeting that Ukraine .. apart Galicia is a Russian teritory by historical rights..
Keep forgeting that Russians have every historic right to claim Kiev (and the only reason haven't done it so far is due to the Oligarh scams of Moscow represented by Surkov scam )