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Nazi battalion commanders hunting season is open:

August 10 under Ilovaiskaya liquidated curator of the reserve battalion "Donbass" Yuriy Boyko.
August 15 under Debalcevo liquidated commander of the "Kievan Rus" battalion Alexander Humeniuk.
August 16 at the Lugansk liquidated commander of the 1st company of the battalion "Aydar" Pylyp Slobodyanyuk.
On August 19, the battle for Ilovajsk liquidated commander of the reconnaissance company of the battalion "Donbass" Alexander Romanenko.
August 20 liquidated commander of the Afghan company of the battalion "Aydar" Oleg Mikhnyuk.
August 25 liquidated commander of the "Kherson" battalion Ruslan Storcheus.
August 27 liquidated commander of the special battalion Timur Yuldashev.

Sementchenko and Yarosh have been injured in the ass and are not present in the list ^_^
 

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USA to put pressure on Malaysia to silence reasons of Boeing crash @asian observe

Malaysia said that it will be forced to repeatedly send its experts to the crash site of Malaysia Airlines Boeing in Ukraine. To put it in a nutshell, Malaysia is strongly dissatisfied with the course of investigation and is forced to conduct its own investigation, in an attempt to restore the picture of what happened to its airplane in the sky above Ukraine.

Most likely, the story of the downed plane will be hidden away carefully. For those, who more or less understand the situation, it is clear that neither the militia nor Russia were involved in the terrible disaster.

The only question is whether Ukraine incidentally shot down the Boeing or it was a carefully planned, but an ineptly executed act of provocation.

Given that according to available information, the plane was at first shot at in the air, and then finished off with a missile, occasionally is practically excluded.
Photos of Buk missile systems, supposedly owed by militia, appeared instantly. A stray provocateur in Donetsk, a couple of days before the disaster, hinted that the militia owned Buk complexes. Boeing's fate had been decided in advance.

Malaysia, which was given the role of an underdog, does not agree with such a state of affairs. Two strange disasters, where the Malaysians were used for some obscure purposes, push the country towards separate, independent action.

It is hard to predict, what kind of results the Malaysians will obtain. Most likely, there will be no undeniable evidence found. The West does not need a qualitative investigation under the current circumstances.


There is a small chance and a possibility that the Dutch found destructive elements in the bodies of the passengers. If so, their indifference to the tragedy becomes understandable. However, this is an unprecedented event. Localizing and collecting debris is not an opportunity that one often gets in such cases.

Most likely, when delaying the publication of the results of investigation is not longer an option, they will announce the results in a non-public way and try to resolve the issue with Malaysia privately.

More than likely, Ukraine will promise to pay something; it will not plead guilty to the tragedy, and the United States will put pressure on Malaysia, so that the country puts up with the crash of the Boeing.


One should not forget about another player that works very closely with Malaysia - China. If the situation with the Boeing crash can bring out something that will stain both the protégé of the United States and the reputation of the United States as a consequence, China will do it, given that China has another ally in this - Russia.

Paradoxically, the battle for South-East Asia began to unfold on the fields of Ukraine.

USA to put pressure on Malaysia to silence reasons of Boeing crash - English pravda.ru
 
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[video=youtube_share;gWlAARb0fN4]http://youtu.be/gWlAARb0fN4[/video]
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US analysts conclude MH17 downed by aircraft

KUALA LUMPUR: INTELLIGENCE analysts in the United States had already concluded that Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 was shot down by an air-to-air missile, and that the Ukrainian government had had something to do with it.

This corroborates an emerging theory postulated by local investigators that the Boeing 777-200 was crippled by an air-to-air missile and finished off with cannon fire from a fighter that had been shadowing it as it plummeted to earth.
@asianobserve @Akim

http://www.globalresearch.ca/malays...aircraft-cannon-fire-from-fighter-jet/5395134

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Dutch Intellectuals Apologize to Putin for Lies on MH17, Syria, Ukraine"¦

[video=youtube_share;SzdgMyMC1MY]http://youtu.be/SzdgMyMC1MY[/video]

Prof Cees J. Hamelink nam afscheid als Hoogleraar van de UvA. Steve Brown was er ook bij. Professor Cees Hamink een Must voor iedere journalist.

Oekraïne wint op alle fronten en vernietigd Russisch militair konvooi meldt de Oorlogs-Telegraaf.

Wat is het verschil tussen Iran Air 655 en KL4103/MH17. Mark Rutte en de Hysterische Media De Telegraaf en de Staats-NOS.

( door Cees Hamelink)


Dear Mr. President Putin,

Please accept our apologies on behalf of a great many people here in the Netherlands for our Government and our Media. The facts concerning MH17 are twisted to defame you and your country.

We are powerless onlookers, as we witness how the Western Nations, led by the United States, accuse Russia of crimes they commit themselves more than anybody else. We reject the double standards that are used for Russia and the West. In our societies, sufficient evidence is required for a conviction. The way you and your Nation are convicted for 'crimes' without evidence, is ruthless and despicable.

You have saved us from a conflict in Syria that could have escalated into a World War. The mass killing of innocent Syrian civilians through gassing by 'Al--"Qaeda' terrorists, trained and armed by the US and paid for by Saudi Arabia, was blamed on Assad. In doing so, the West hoped public opinion would turn against Assad, paving the way for an attack on Syria.

Not long after this, Western forces have built up, trained and armed an 'opposition' in the Ukraine, to prepare a coup against the legitimate Government in Kiev. The putschists taking over were quickly recognized by Western Governments. They were provided with loans from our tax money to prop their new Government up.

The people of the Crimea did not agree with this and showed this with peaceful demonstrations. Anonymous snipers and violence by Ukrainian troops turned these demonstrations into demands for independence from Kiev. Whether you support these separatist movements is immaterial, considering the blatant Imperialism of the West.

Russia is wrongly accused, without evidence or investigation, of delivering the weapons systems that allegedly brought down MH17. For this reason Western Governments claim they have a right to economically pressure Russia.

We, awake citizens of the West, who see the lies and machinations of our Governments, wish to offer you our apologies for what is done in our name."¨It's unfortunately true, that our media have lost all independence and are just mouthpieces for the Powers that Be. Because of this, Western people tend to have a warped view of reality and are unable to hold their politicians to account.

Our hopes are focused on your wisdom. We want Peace. We see that Western Governments do not serve the people but are working towards a New World Order. The destruction of sovereign nations and the killing of millions of innocent people is, seemingly, a price worth paying for them, to achieve this goal.

We, the people of the Netherlands, want Peace and Justice, also for and with Russia."¨We hope to make clear that the Dutch Government speaks for itself only. We pray our efforts will help to diffuse the rising tensions between our Nations.

Sincerely,

Professor Cees Hamelink

Dutch Intellectuals Apologize to Putin for Lies on MH17, Syria, Ukraine… | Steven Brown: "I have seen another world. Sometimes I think it was just my imagination."
 

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Some morning news. - https://twitter.com/MiddleEast_BRK

Saur_Mohyla has fallen. The Ukrainian army retreats, trying to avoid total annihilation.
THE UKRAINIAN ARMY'S FRONTLINE ONCE AGAIN COLLAPSED IN THE LIGHT OF HEAVY RUSSIAN ARMY ATTACKS.
The City was surrounded by Russian army tanks under the Russian tricolor. Only area around the city, still controlled by the Ukrainian army was the the E58 towards Mariupol. Locals, including the police chief there says it's taken. ATO speaker is lying all day now. Russian tanks in the streets.

The Rebels Also took NOVOAZOVSK. UKRAINIAN FORCES RETREAT TO MARIUPOL.
 

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Ukraine crisis: 'Thousands of Russians' fighting in east



Mr Zakharchenko, who is prime minister of the self-declared Donetsk People's Republic, said Russian citizens were coming to Ukraine to fight because they felt it was their duty.

"There have been around 3,000-4,000 of them in our ranks," he said, adding that the rebels' struggle would have been much harder without them.

But he insisted that any Russians fighting on the rebel side were doing so voluntarily.

"Many former high-ranking military officers have volunteered to join us. They are fighting with us, considering that to be their duty," he said.

"There are also many in the current Russian military that prefer to spend their leave among us, brothers who are fighting for their freedom, rather than on a beach."
BBC News - Ukraine crisis: 'Thousands of Russians' fighting in east

That is a real picture of Russian involvement. Different from what someone is trying to present as 'young Russian conscripts thrown into meat-grinder and betrayed by general stuff'.

Veterans and military professionals, volunteers, they really do give a huge input in defeating UA army.
 

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The following is written by an american, but he is in the point here. Russia has developed a new warfare method. Just like the "Blitzkrieg" was an initial surprise, because nobody was prepared, so is this new "hybrid warfare". It is too early to say but this crisis could be a turning point in European history.


The development of this crisis from the Russian side has been pretty fascinating.

The covert seizure of Crimea, and then this slow-burn invasion of Ukraine where Putin escalates inch-by-inch - toeing each new progressive step and holding there just long enough for the West to "get used to it", then ramping up pressure when the time is right. It should be noted all the major escalations happen parallel to Russian diplomatic overtures. Combined with a combination of "plausible deniability" and bald-faced lies, disinformation including armies of pro-Russia internet trolls and fairly savvy TV productions, constant "You do it too!" false equivalencies, cultivation of Useful Idiots, the list goes on. It's been brilliantly conducted in a repulsive sort of way.

Opposing Russia is an international group that makes decisions in part by consensus and has no appetite for conflict. It's no contest really. I don't think this is going to end well for Ukraine in the short term, and in the long term we'll have protracted tensions and probably a fracturing of the EU alliance - no one will truly benefit, not the West and not Russia either.

Never underestimate the power of revanchism and the collective cultural insecurity that fuels it - despite countless bloody examples through history to learn from, we never seem to.
 

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The following is written by an american, but he is in the point here. Russia has developed a new warfare method. Just like the "Blitzkrieg" was an initial surprise, because nobody was prepared, so is this new "hybrid warfare". It is too early to say but this crisis could be a turning point in European history.


The development of this crisis from the Russian side has been pretty fascinating.

The covert seizure of Crimea, and then this slow-burn invasion of Ukraine where Putin escalates inch-by-inch - toeing each new progressive step and holding there just long enough for the West to "get used to it", then ramping up pressure when the time is right. It should be noted all the major escalations happen parallel to Russian diplomatic overtures. Combined with a combination of "plausible deniability" and bald-faced lies, disinformation including armies of pro-Russia internet trolls and fairly savvy TV productions, constant "You do it too!" false equivalencies, cultivation of Useful Idiots, the list goes on. It's been brilliantly conducted in a repulsive sort of way.

Opposing Russia is an international group that makes decisions in part by consensus and has no appetite for conflict. It's no contest really. I don't think this is going to end well for Ukraine in the short term, and in the long term we'll have protracted tensions and probably a fracturing of the EU alliance - no one will truly benefit, not the West and not Russia either.

Never underestimate the power of revanchism and the collective cultural insecurity that fuels it - despite countless bloody examples through history to learn from, we never seem to.
"You do it too!"

The Changing Face of War: Into the Fourth Generation
William S. Lind, Colonel Keith Nightengale (USA),
Captain John F. Schmitt (USMC), Colonel Joseph W. Sutton (USA),
and Lieutenant Colonel Gary I. Wilson (USMCR)

Marine Corps Gazette
October 1989, Pages 22-26
The Changing Face of War: Into the Fourth Generation - LIND
 
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