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The thief will always be punished.
And why thief? Luhansk and Donetsk are formally still Ukraine, Tiraspol is Moldova. You just dont want to return them peacefully.
Crimea was presented to Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic by Russian moth*erfucker leader in a sign of friendship without asking Crimea people. Now Crimea people just wanted to return home.
 

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There are recognized boundaries. Tiraspol belongs to Moldova. We don't need this enclave of Russia here.
The same is true for all areas.
In general, there are many things in the world that we do not want, but tolerate. We tolerate you as neighbors for somehow.
 

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And why thief? Luhansk and Donetsk are formally still Ukraine, Tiraspol is Moldova. You just dont want to return them peacefully.
Crimea was presented to Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic by Russian moth*erfucker leader in a sign of friendship without asking Crimea people. Now Crimea people just wanted to return home.
Ya'll Nibbiars even ho much you badmouth Nikita during that time economy grown and specially the Civilian productions but also the printing of money at unexpected rates.
 

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And why thief? Luhansk and Donetsk are formally still Ukraine, Tiraspol is Moldova. You just dont want to return them peacefully.
Crimea was presented to Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic by Russian moth*erfucker leader in a sign of friendship without asking Crimea people. Now Crimea people just wanted to return home.
We are not going to implement the Minsk agreements in the Russian interpretation.
And further. If I wanted to argue with the Russians, then I don't need an Indian site. We won't convince each other.
 

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Ya'll Nibbiars even ho much you badmouth Nikita during that time economy grown and specially the Civilian productions but also the printing of money at unexpected rates.
I have a claim to him only for the Crimea. The rest of the mistakes are not so significant for me. Of course, he also had merits.
 

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I have a claim to him only for the Crimea. The rest of the mistakes are not so significant for me. Of course, he also had merits.
Ya'll Nibbiars only the reforms had been made in the early 1960s the Co operatceis could had more decision making and more free market simulation had been made. May be the 1973 stagnation had never happened.
 

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Ya'll Nibbiars only the reforms had been made in the early 1960s the Co operatceis could had more decision making and more free market simulation had been made. May be the 1973 stagnation had never happened.
Under him, there was more freedom, but even under him, the USSR, for example, began to buy grain abroad in large volumes for foreign exchange and gold reserves due to errors in management.
 

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Yes, you generally do not like to fulfill agreements.
In Russian interpretation? Follow what is written without interpretation. Didn't your president sign them?
The Russian side does not fulfill the initial points, so everything drags on there for a long time. Moreover. There, Russia began handing out its passports. But I'm not interested in discussing politics. For me, Russia is an enemy and any Russian soldier on the territory of the free part of Ukraine must be destroyed.
It's good that people like you underestimate us.
 

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murican Cold war crowd are upset with zelensky that he is not towing the murican line.

Ukrainian president Zelenskiy holds press conference amid Russia tensions | LIVE
Clearly this amreekunts nutjobnazi coomerdom is pushing russia further towards the East which is excellent. russia is already diverting 1/3rd of gas and oil to Asia where the Nations are more reliable friendlier and honor rule based world order.
 
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murican Cold war crowd are upset with zelensky that he is not towing the murican line.
Ukraine is disposable for them, much like the rest of the world. Meanwhile in Ukraine, the dilemma is how many will sign up in case of war and how many will flee the country? Maybe biden will send troops to defend Ukraine?
Ukraine is disappearing, for two factors. It has among the world’s least expensive birth rates at simply 1.23 kids per woman, and one of the world’s greatest rates of out-migration. No other nation has willed itself out of presence so decisively.

Ukraine’s market decline is so noticable that it ought to be high up on the list of tactical factors to consider. For what, and for whom, might NATO and Russia fight?

Ukrainians vote with their feet. 9 million have work abroad, according to the National Security and Defense Council of the Ukraine, and 3.2 million have full-time jobs in other nations. There are only 21 million Ukrainians in between the ages of 20 and 55, which recommends that more than two-fifths of prime working-age Ukrainians make their living elsewhere.

I do not understand whether this quote consists of half a million Ukrainian prostitutes working abroad since self-reliance, according to one scholarly estimate.

Even worse, a Wilson Center study reports, Ukraine’s best-educated people are likeliest to leave:

Ukrainians who travel to study often see their research studies as the very first stage of emigration. A survey of Ukrainian students at universities in Poland, Hungary, and the Czech Republic showed that students who studied in these countries had comparable motives for doing so. A lot of stated they intended to make their diplomas in order to work in the EU in the future, because living conditions in Ukraine were unsatisfactory; couple of planned to return house after graduating. Those who do return might be the ones unable to settle abroad in permanent positions.

Chart: David P. Goldman, Asia Times
Ukrainians may be having kids, however not frequently in Ukraine itself. After years of market decline, the country has more people over 65 years of age than working-age people between 20 and 65.

At constant fertility, the UN Population Program forecasts its population will fall by more than half in the course of this century. As kept in mind, the nation’s main group institute believes the population is currently 30% less than the level reported by the official census.

The numbers in the accompanying chart come from the United Nations, however they might be significantly exaggerated. The Ukraine National Academy of Science’s Institute for Demography puts the present Ukrainian population at simply 35 million, not the 48 million reported in the official census. (It also anticipates that 3 out of 10 Ukrainian men now aged 20 will pass away prior to the age of 60 due to alcohol addiction and vehicle accidents)

There have actually been instances of national recuperation in fertility rates but under circumstances really different from Ukraine’s. Russia’s coincided with a renewal of Orthodox Christianity. Hungary likewise had some improvement in the middle of a financial boom.

If Ukraine becomes the flashpoint for war, it will verify Karl Marx’s quip that the tragedies of history repeat themselves as farce. Serbia’s fast-growing population in 1914 hungered for land, a market imperative that urged its styles on Austrian Bosnia-Herzegovina. The First World War was tragic, however not completely pointless.

Ukraine in a couple of decades will not be a sovereign nation, let alone a democracy; it will be a geriatric ward supported by a decreasing flow of remittances.

Remittances from overseas workers already consist of 11% of Ukraine’s GDP, according to the World Bank, without a doubt the greatest proportion in Eastern Europe with the exception of small Moldova.

It is hard to imagine a popular insurgency versus Russian or any other invaders. Nobody goes to the barriers in adult diapers. The most aspirational and energetic young Ukrainians aren’t in Ukraine.

An old 1960’s meme, “What if they provided a war and nobody came?” comes to mind. According to a December 2021 opinion poll, three-quarters of Ukrainians said that increasing oil and gas bills were their leading concern– not the prospect of a Russian intrusion.

That doesn’t recommend a rise of patriotic bitterness against Russian risks, but rather a glum state of mind of nationwide resignation and concern about the petty issues of life.
Though this is a depressing read, I hope Ukraine comes out of this mess well and thriving.
 
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