Civil war in Ukraine

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Sorry I’m late, can anyone brief me up wtf is going on in Ukraine from scratch and from where it started even if it is decades ago.
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russia is on way to make neo soviet :lehappy:

they had annexed crimea in march 2014 now they want to annex whole ukrain. Due to this the ukrain is prep for war and nato is sort of helping them :notsure:.
 

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@blackjack Should we get scared and give up now? We have been living under the threat of a full-scale invasion for 8 years now. Nobody has been panicking for a long time.

If the West gives in, then Putin will continue to blackmail them. This will only increase his appetite.
Ukraine must face harsh reality in the face, NO US / NATO FORCES WILL SPILL THEIR BLOOD FOR UKRAINE. This is because Ukraine is not a NATO member state protected by the principle of collective defence enshrined in Article 5 of the Washington Treaty.

US has a habit of backstabbing allies (Afghanistan....any one?) so anything more than Javelin ATGMs (doubtful efficiency vs Afghanit/Arena APS) and small arms (NVG, ammunition, mortars, shells, rifles, BPJ, first aid kits) and auxiliary armaments like (ex ANAF Mi 17s) cannot be expected.

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zo...ex-afghan-mi-17-helicopters-to-ukraine-report

Any USN SSGN / CBG firing at Russian Forces will invoke the wrath of land based hundreds / thousands of AShMs (Klub, P-800, Zircon, Iskander) missiles saturating all their defences.


https://missilethreat.csis.org/missile/ss-26-2/

Germany will not intervene in the Russian advance into Ukraine mainly due to a weaker military (ironic) and gas/heating requirements thanks to Nord Stream II.


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/dec/23/nord-stream-2-how-putins-pipeline-paralysed-the-west

Most of Ukraine's Military Deep State is pro Russian / Soviet and have not allowed deep systemic reforms to take root from NATO forces.

https://jamestown.org/program/why-t...-less-than-optimal-and-what-can-we-do-better/

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zo...ke-over-ukraines-government-on-russias-behalf

 

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Ukraine must face harsh reality in the face, NO US / NATO FORCES WILL SPILL THEIR BLOOD FOR UKRAINE. This is because Ukraine is not a NATO member state protected by the principle of collective defence enshrined in Article 5 of the Washington Treaty.

US has a habit of backstabbing allies (Afghanistan....any one?) so anything more than Javelin ATGMs (doubtful efficiency vs Afghanit/Arena APS) and small arms (NVG, ammunition, mortars, shells, rifles, BPJ, first aid kits) and auxiliary armaments like (ex ANAF Mi 17s) cannot be expected.

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zo...ex-afghan-mi-17-helicopters-to-ukraine-report

Any USN SSGN / CBG firing at Russian Forces will invoke the wrath of land based hundreds / thousands of AShMs (Klub, P-800, Zircon, Iskander) missiles saturating all their defences.


https://missilethreat.csis.org/missile/ss-26-2/

Germany will not intervene in the Russian advance into Ukraine mainly due to a weaker military (ironic) and gas/heating requirements thanks to Nord Stream II.


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/dec/23/nord-stream-2-how-putins-pipeline-paralysed-the-west

Most of Ukraine's Military Deep State is pro Russian / Soviet and have not allowed deep systemic reforms to take root from NATO forces.

https://jamestown.org/program/why-t...-less-than-optimal-and-what-can-we-do-better/

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zo...ke-over-ukraines-government-on-russias-behalf

I repeat once again: Look at the elections to the Parliament. The pro-Russian party gains only 12%. That's the whole level of support. Older people may dream of the USSR, but it is not for them to build the future.
 

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I repeat once again: Look at the elections to the Parliament. The pro-Russian party gains only 12%. That's the whole level of support. Older people may dream of the USSR, but it is not for them to build the future.
Bro if Ukraine is gone then STALKER 2 will never be made! Who gives a fuck about CIA funded color revolutions. They did the same thing with IAC in India in 2011 but it backfired.
 

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Bro if Ukraine is gone then STALKER 2 will never be made! Who gives a fuck about CIA funded color revolutions. They did the same thing with IAC in India in 2011 but it backfired.
I see that many here are paranoid about color revolutions.
You cannot make a coup if there are no prerequisites for it.
Both times (2004, 2013) I did not support the Maidan, but I also did not see any reason to support the authorities too. After the first "orange revolution", six months later we chose the right Parliament and would have done it for the second time (2013/2014), but Putin attacked us.
 

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Ok
I see that many here are paranoid about color revolutions.
You cannot make a coup if there are no prerequisites for it.
Both times (2004, 2013) I did not support the Maidan, but I also did not see any reason to support the authorities too. After the first "orange revolution", six months later we chose the right Parliament and would have done it for the second time (2013/2014), but Putin attacked us.
I would request you to look up the India Against Corruption protests of 2011. Same mass hysteria induced by the CIA
 

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Russia building up to invade Ukraine, China planning for Taiwan possibly.
Ya'll Nibbiars I still think it will be discreet campaign and not a direct warfare. Using proxies is the best way to intensifies now.
 

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Ok


I would request you to look up the India Against Corruption protests of 2011. Same mass hysteria induced by the CIA
Did the CIA pay every person money? There was no corruption in India and protests arose for no reason?
Each state uses the situation for its own benefit.
The topic is about Ukraine, so I will talk about what is closer to me
As I already said, I was not a supporter. And there were many like me. But there was no critical mass of passionaries ready to kill for their ideas. Therefore, the Kremlin took advantage of our internal political instability, thereby uniting society against an external enemy.
 
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