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Estonia, Lithuania and Latvia are waiting for the approval of their requests to the State Department to start supplying American-made weapons to Ukraine. These countries are ready to supply Kiev with anti-tank missile systems and air defense systems.

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Ah the Baltics.
 

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Whose side are we gonna choose ?
Let's stay out of this, shall we? We have enough shit in our neighborhood to deal with.

Ukraine has been an equally friendly country towards us since Soviet era and we cannot just pick sides like that. Chances are that we will simply call for peaceful resolution and dialog as usual.

The thing with being a fence-sitter is, no one is gonna side with us when we will be in trouble if we are not already (with China).
No one is going to take sides with us anyway; look at the adversaries we have - a nuclear armed Jihadi failed state and a economic hegemonic tyrant both armed to teeth with nukes. If you were assuming NATO troops to send their tiny armies to fight for us, you are living in la-la land. The best thing we can expect as a support in case of Sino-Indian War 2.0 is free flow of weapons. It will be our boots on the ground that will have to get the job done.
 

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That's why I said it.
If Russia tries to start a full-scale war in Europe, China may try to invade Taiwan. The United States will support Taiwan and launch a system of military blocs. But I repeat: If Moscow has reached an agreement with Beijing. The Kremlin will not decide on its own.
If something like this was to happen, we would still only be neutral. Best case scenario, we go for POK while everybody is occupied, but currently doesnt look like thats feasible either.
 

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Is India is secretly an ally of China and Pakistan?
if not it could go like this.
Pakistan declares war on India...China ally of Pakistan supports their ally, declares war. Russia ally of China supports ally China and declares war. Iran ally of Russia supports Russia and declares war.
Russians might like you a lot but if they need China more or be locked into a secret agreement with China then Russia could get trapped into war. EVERYONE gets trapped by alliances and needs.

that is what I mean by tic tak toe...like dominos. That is the madness that happened in WW1.

US too many enemies? So you want to be America's enemy? okay.

btw who was it that transferred US factories and tech to Asia if not the Israelis? Who should hate whom?
Mate IG people have responded already, but you are panicking beyond necessity. China plus pak is a real threat, rest all is not. Russia is more pro India than china- Indian ties are by shared goals, Chinese ties are due to economic necessity. Indi wheeled towards US when we realised China as a major threat, and that russia wouldnt help us much. We know US wont be boots on the ground sort of help, but would provide arms and ammunition aplenty for us to fight their rival with no cost to US mainland.
 

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Russian delegation declares start of ‘countdown’ in wait for adoption of Russian proposals
"There arrives a moment of truth when the West either accepts our proposals or other ways will be found to safeguard Russia’s security," the head of the Russian delegation at the Vienna Negotiations on Military Security and Arms Control Konstantin Gavrilov said

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VIENNA, January 19. /TASS/. The West faces the moment of truth, which has started the countdown in wait for the adoption of Russian proposals on security guarantees addressed to the United States and NATO, Konstantin Gavrilov, the head of the Russian delegation at the Vienna Negotiations on Military Security and Arms Control, said on Wednesday.
Gavrilov spoke at the meeting of the OSCE Forum for Security Cooperation, which is first in 2022.
"There arrives a moment of truth when the West either accepts our proposals or other ways will be found to safeguard Russia’s security," Gavrilov said. "I am convinced that with goodwill and a willingness to compromise in any situation, it is possible to find a way out to mutually acceptable solutions. We are running out of time. The countdown begins."
The Russian diplomat believes that what is at stake is to minimize military spending and to resolve the security issues, which are not pressing for Russia alone, but for all the nations in Eurasia and the Euro-Atlantic area as well.




Gavrilov pointed out that the NATO actions had resulted in fragmentation of the pan-European space and inflicted huge damage to the authority of the OSCE, which has turned into a hostage of the narrow agenda of the "collective West."
In these circumstances, the Russian delegation will henceforth be coming up at the OSCE Forum for Security Cooperation with just the issues that meet its own national interests, the head of the Russian delegation stressed.
On December 17, 2021, the Russian Foreign Ministry published a draft agreement with the United States on security guarantees and another one on measures ensuring the security of Russia and NATO member states. Russia-US consultations on these issues were held in Geneva on January 10. A Russia-NATO Council meeting was held in Brussels on January 12. On January 13, Russia’s Permanent Representative to the OSCE Alexander Lukashevich presented these proposals at a meeting of the OSCE Permanent Council in Vienna.


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I know I give you and your country alot of shit here but I am praying that a loss of human life wont occur in Ukraine even if the people i see as misguided to some ideals shouldn't deserve this either. Could have Ukraine chose a different option to avoid conflict I say yes, but the most preferable thing the west could have done to Ukraine is have them join the EU than NATO to help the people because based on the wealth of country i know the politicians and businessman in Ukraine are not doing shit about it unless they have reasons the country cant grow in wealth. I dont think NATO would do shit either because the escalation will go to nuclear warfare and even drag China in, but if they occupy you guys I hope you are still alive with your family and things dont turn out bad.
 

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"The State Department has given the go-ahead for three NATO allies to rush anti-armor missiles and other U.S.-made weapons to Ukraine, a sign of renewed urgency among Western allies over the threat of a multi-front invasion by Russian forces.

The requests from Latvia, Estonia and Lithuania were received in recent weeks, and the last of the three was approved Wednesday after being received the night before, according to an administration official who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss an issue that hasn't been announced."
 

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"The State Department has given the go-ahead for three NATO allies to rush anti-armor missiles and other U.S.-made weapons to Ukraine, a sign of renewed urgency among Western allies over the threat of a multi-front invasion by Russian forces.

The requests from Latvia, Estonia and Lithuania were received in recent weeks, and the last of the three was approved Wednesday after being received the night before, according to an administration official who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss an issue that hasn't been announced."
So MIC gaining from the recent crisis. They were somehow sitting idle during Trump era.

Sometimes I feel that this whole recent charade is a MIC created thing.

MIC always wins.
 

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So MIC gaining from the recent crisis. They were somehow sitting idle during Trump era.

Sometimes I feel that this whole recent charade is a MIC created thing.

MIC always wins.
Not the MIC, but the MICIMATT to be more precise. Military-Industrial-CONGRESSIONAL-Intelligence-MEDIA-Academia-Think-Tank complex. The Congressional word was struck out by President Eisenhower's aides from his speech to not offend the legislative body.

They thrive and profit in war and death, it's natural they want more and more of it.

That's probably why Trump was thrown out, he wouldn't give them the new war they so desperately craved.
 

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Finland does not plan to join NATO in the near future, but is ready to stand with its European allies and United States by imposing tough sanctions on Russia if it attacks Ukraine, Finland's Prime Minister Sanna Marin said yesterday, as reports the British Mainstream media Reuters agency.
 

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Biden is apparently a weatherman now. He said Russia won't be successful because if Putin wants to invade from the north, from Belarus, "he'll have to wait until the ground is frozen".

Really?

Leave alone trying to decipher this, who says they even have to do that? They have a hell of a lot of options, they can advance from Southern Ukraine by attacking from Crimea and Donbas and drawing Ukrainian forces there, meanwhile encircling them from above.
 

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Biden is apparently a weatherman now. He said Russia won't be successful because if Putin wants to invade from the north, from Belarus, "he'll have to wait until the ground is frozen".

Really?

Leave alone trying to decipher this, who says they even have to do that? They have a hell of a lot of options, they can advance from Southern Ukraine by attacking from Crimea and Donbas and drawing Ukrainian forces there, meanwhile encircling them from above.
He is not wrong in a way.

Looking at the recent satellite images coming up Russian forces are concentrating themselves in Belarus in significant numbers.

Chances are Russia will make a straight cut to kiev and negotiate the terms of surrender as soon as possible.

In case of a conflict the goal will be to inflict maximum damage with minimum civilian casutlies in a limited timeframe.

A attack through Belarus helps them achieve that.
 

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He is not wrong in a way.

Looking at the recent satellite images coming up Russian forces are concentrating themselves in Belarus in significant numbers.

Chances are Russia will make a straight cut to kiev and negotiate the terms of surrender as soon as possible.

In case of a conflict the goal will be to inflict maximum damage with minimum civilian casutlies in a limited timeframe.

A attack through Belarus helps them achieve that.
They'll probably go by the book with the tried and tested methods, not anything unorthodox. They'll use their mechanized forces to encircle and cut off major cities like Kharkiv, Dnipro and Kyiv.
 

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To be honest, Ukraine is looking really bad. From an attackers POV, Russians have so many avenues that its impossible for Ukraine to defend. Belarus, Moldova, Crimea, Long Russian border, beach landings. Ukraine wont be able to use Defenders advantage much.

And if anyone is hoping for guerilla warfare, just know that smuggling weapons to Ukraine will be much harder than Afghanistan- It is surrounded by enemy countries.
 
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