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I repeat: Is there Pakistani TV in India? So - Medvechuk was Putin's representative and his channels broadcast the Russian version of events.
Stepan Bandera. Our nationalists did not even get into the Parliament. Their rating is below 5%.
You read Russian sites. I'm not interested in you.
What sort of fallacy is this ??
You say that your nationalist could not even get elected to the parliament?
If all Ukrainians want to tackle the russkies then they should unite , create a monster in name of russia etc
First get your representative s in your parliamnet pronto , then think about fighting Russians
Media in india is mostly controlled by the government etc ( not officially , but most media tows the official government line )
 

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I repeat: Is there Pakistani TV in India? So - Medvechuk was Putin's representative and his channels broadcast the Russian version of events.
Stepan Bandera. Our nationalists did not even get into the Parliament. Their rating is below 5%.
You read Russian sites. I'm not interested in you.
Again, you are making stupidly fallacious arguments. Medvechuk is not a Russian, so the equivalence with a Pakistani channel is simply stupid.

I already told you there are extreme left channels and news outlets in India who regularly broadcast Pakistan's version of events and spew anti-India bias. This can certainly be compared to Medvechuk's situation. In our country, these outlets are allowed to go on freely. So, your point falls flat.

And again, you raise another bogus strawman argument of 5% rating in the Parliament. The point is about crypto-Nazis organizing a coup and getting into positions of power in Ukraine. Are you going to say it's not true?

Victoria Nuland literally picked Yanokovych’s successor and cabinet. And we know this from a hacked phone call between Nuland and the US ambassador in Kiev.

In discussing who should lead the Washington-installed government, Nuland made clear who the next prime minister would be and who he should be talking to for advice.

Nuland: I think Yats (Arseniy Yatseniuk) is the guy who’s got the economic experience, the governing experience. … what he needs is Klitsch and Tyahnybok on the outside. He needs to be talking to them four times a week, you know.
As it turned our, the putsch leaders followed Nuland’s advice to the letter, installing “Yats” as the new prime minister. But it also filled four cabinet posts out of eleven with rabid anti-Russian crypto-Nazis.

Indeed, at the heart of the putsch were Ukrainian organizations called Svoboda (national socialist party of Ukraine) and Right Sector. Their national hero was one Stepan Bandera – a collaborator with Hitler who led the liquidation of thousands of Poles, Jews and other minorities as the Nazi Wehrmacht made it way through Ukraine toward Stalingrad in 1943.

As shown below, there could be little doubt where one of the founders of Svoboda and a principal leader of the Maidan coup, Oleh Tyahnybok, was coming from. The leaked transcript cited above also shows that Viceroy Nuland had no problem telling the new prime minister that he needed to talk to this self-avowed Nazi “four times a week”:

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In fact, another founder and leader of Svoboda, Andriy Parubiy, was given a portfolio which included the Ministry of Defense, the Armed Forces, Law Enforcement, National Security and Intelligence. That the Kremlin was alarmed by these developments and that the Russian-speaking populations of Crimea and the Donbas feared an ethnic cleansing led by the new Ukrainian nationalist government in Kiev – given the bloody history – is hardly surprising.

What the local Russians and those in the Kremlin actually feared were the anti-Russian edicts coming out of Kiev in the aftermath of the Washington funded, supported and instantly recognized overthrow of the legally elected government. And exactly the same thing is true of the overwhelmingly Russian-speaking populations of the Donbas.

After all, the good folks of that industrial heartland of the former Soviet Union had always been an integral part of its iron, steel, chemical and munitions industries, and, indeed, their grandparents had been put there by Stalin because most native Ukrainians had not cottoned to his bloody rule.

By the same token, Uncle Joe’s 1930s Russian transplants forever hated the Ukrainian nationalist collaborators, who rampaged though their towns, farms, factories and homes in the Donbas side-by-side with Hitler’s Wehrmacht on the way to Stalingrad.
 

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Any status on Ukraine engine manufacturing company? I understand post 2014 Russia has adopted an import substitution strategy.
With regards to India, well Ukraine is paid for such engines. Win win for both parties.
Ukraine and India have a positive balance (1.2 billion). Of course, this is mutually beneficial, but our trade turnover is only 7% of the total. These are not such large numbers that Ukraine could lose if Crimea is recognized and diplomatic relations are broken.
 

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Again, you are making stupidly fallacious arguments. Medvechuk is not a Russian, so the equivalence with a Pakistani channel is simply stupid.

I already told you there are extreme left channels and news outlets in India who regularly broadcast Pakistan's version of events and spew anti-India bias. This can certainly be compared to Medvechuk's situation. In our country, these outlets are allowed to go on freely. So, your point falls flat.

And again, you raise another bogus strawman argument of 5% rating in the Parliament. The point is about crypto-Nazis organizing a coup and getting into positions of power in Ukraine. Are you going to say it's not true?

Victoria Nuland literally picked Yanokovych’s successor and cabinet. And we know this from a hacked phone call between Nuland and the US ambassador in Kiev.

In discussing who should lead the Washington-installed government, Nuland made clear who the next prime minister would be and who he should be talking to for advice.



As it turned our, the putsch leaders followed Nuland’s advice to the letter, installing “Yats” as the new prime minister. But it also filled four cabinet posts out of eleven with rabid anti-Russian crypto-Nazis.

Indeed, at the heart of the putsch were Ukrainian organizations called Svoboda (national socialist party of Ukraine) and Right Sector. Their national hero was one Stepan Bandera – a collaborator with Hitler who led the liquidation of thousands of Poles, Jews and other minorities as the Nazi Wehrmacht made it way through Ukraine toward Stalingrad in 1943.

As shown below, there could be little doubt where one of the founders of Svoboda and a principal leader of the Maidan coup, Oleh Tyahnybok, was coming from. The leaked transcript cited above also shows that Viceroy Nuland had no problem telling the new prime minister that he needed to talk to this self-avowed Nazi “four times a week”:

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In fact, another founder and leader of Svoboda, Andriy Parubiy, was given a portfolio which included the Ministry of Defense, the Armed Forces, Law Enforcement, National Security and Intelligence. That the Kremlin was alarmed by these developments and that the Russian-speaking populations of Crimea and the Donbas feared an ethnic cleansing led by the new Ukrainian nationalist government in Kiev – given the bloody history – is hardly surprising.

What the local Russians and those in the Kremlin actually feared were the anti-Russian edicts coming out of Kiev in the aftermath of the Washington funded, supported and instantly recognized overthrow of the legally elected government. And exactly the same thing is true of the overwhelmingly Russian-speaking populations of the Donbas.

After all, the good folks of that industrial heartland of the former Soviet Union had always been an integral part of its iron, steel, chemical and munitions industries, and, indeed, their grandparents had been put there by Stalin because most native Ukrainians had not cottoned to his bloody rule.

By the same token, Uncle Joe’s 1930s Russian transplants forever hated the Ukrainian nationalist collaborators, who rampaged though their towns, farms, factories and homes in the Donbas side-by-side with Hitler’s Wehrmacht on the way to Stalingrad.
Хоть кол на голове чеши :confused1:
I now live in Odessa and no one crucifies me for the Russian language. Here, Ukrainian speakers are a rarity.
I'm tired of you.
 

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War is near I guess
starting war and dismantling conventional forces is no big deal . But if west is successful in running a sustained proxy war both with in Ukraine and russia that ll hurt . One general of Ukraine army was claiming they have 5 million people with some basic training .
 
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