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Ukraine had a third nuclear potential and an army of almost a million. I began to serve in it at this time. There was nothing to pay the officers' salaries, there was nothing to feed the soldiers. What else is the content of nuclear weapons. I am still sure that we do not need it. But the fact that the army was only reduced and not modernized is a big political mistake.
In 2014, Ukraine was a completely neutral country, and that did not stop Russia from attacking us.
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A little too much nonsense.

How was the "invasion" of Crimea so bloodless then? There is nothing indicating Russia has the balls or wants to do something against Eastern Europe like the US did to Iraq unless US is trying to expand NATO further, obviously an aggression from the Russian perspective, which is exactly what the Ukraine 2014 situation looked like.
 

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Oh so no answer??

Now now don't ignore the question or do you want your white master's to ship you somewhere else?

Answer my point if you can. The entire fuckup called Afghanistan started because of US period.

You don't know that most Afghans are now starving under Taliban when they were okay previously when USA was propping up Afghanistan? That place is a historical shithole that saw a glimmer of hope under US presence.

Just look at Kabul cityscape. This is a wasteland prior to American entry. And all these developments happened under and because of US and allies' money.

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Now Afghanistsn is back in Afghan hands and its becoming a wasteland again.
 

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My god you truly are a gone case.

Did you forget about the forced sterilizations done by Sweden to have a racially pure society for about 40 years?
Even if it's true the Swedes now still do not want to be under Russian influence. They are in EU and now wants to be part of NATO.
 

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@Knowitall and @Optimistic Nihilist

Simple question, why is it that most if not all of Russian neighbors are running away from Russia?
Has your mutt ass ever seen a single Ukrainian election result prior to 2014? Here's one from 2012.

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The country is quite literally divided in half between Ukrainian nationalists (Fatherland) in the west and pro-Russian separatists (Party of Regions) in the east and has been for quite some time. That's why people of Crimea given a plebiscite voted to return to Russia. The entirety of Ukraine suddenly flipping from pro Russia to pro Ukraine would be just as suspicious as Georgia voting Democratic over Republican. Nice try though, Amerimutt.
 

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Has your mutt ass ever seen a single Ukrainian election result prior to 2014? Here's one from 2012.

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The country is quite literally divided in half between Ukrainian nationalists (Fatherland) in the west and pro-Russian separatists (Party of Regions) in the east and has been for quite some time. That's why people of Crimea given a plebiscite voted to return to Russia. The entirety of Ukraine suddenly flipping from pro Russia to pro Ukraine would be just as suspicious as Georgia voting Democratic over Republican. Nice try though, Amerimutt.

You better have that electoral map framed or turned NFT for it will not return anymore.
 

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You don't know that most Afghans are now starving under Taliban when they were okay previously when USA was propping up Afghanistan? That place is a historical shithole that saw a glimmer of hope under US presence.

Just look at Kabul cityscape. This is a wasteland prior to American entry. And all these developments happened under and because of US and allies' money.

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Now Afghanistsn is back in Afghan hands and its becoming a wasteland again.
You don't understand Afghans
Only code of conduct for Afghans is Pashtonwaali, anything outside Pashtonwaali is alien to them and worthy of pumping bullets into
A communist Afghanistan under a puppet regime of Soviet Commies would have gotten rid of the Pashtonwaali abiding tribals of Afghanistan,
Americans invaded Afgaynland in the name of Liberal democratic values, as they have done in several other countries, for not letting the Soviets gain foothold in AFG and tcentral Asia, possibly even further
Had not Americans invaded AFG, you would not see Hazara, Tajik, Uzbek, Aimaq, Turkmen, Baloch, Pashai, Nuristani, Gujjar, Arab, Brahui, Qizilbash, Pamiri, Kyrgyz, Sadat and countless other Ethnic minorities, including a few Hindus and Sikhs Literally getting Butchered by the Hands of Pashtonwaali abiding medieval Tribals, And Taliban wouldn't be as powerful as it is now thanks to uncle Sam
 

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You don't understand Afghans
Only code of conduct for Afghans is Pashtonwaali, anything outside Pashtonwaali is alien to them and worthy of pumping bullets into
A communist Afghanistan under a puppet regime of Soviet Commies would have gotten rid of the Pashtonwaali abiding tribals of Afghanistan,
Americans invaded Afgaynland in the name of Liberal democratic values, as they have done in several other countries, for not letting the Soviets gain foothold in AFG and tcentral Asia, possibly even further
Had not Americans invaded AFG, you would not see Hazara, Tajik, Uzbek, Aimaq, Turkmen, Baloch, Pashai, Nuristani, Gujjar, Arab, Brahui, Qizilbash, Pamiri, Kyrgyz, Sadat and countless other Ethnic minorities, including a few Hindus and Sikhs Literally getting Butchered by the Hands of Pashtonwaali abiding medieval Tribals, And Taliban wouldn't be as powerful as it is now thanks to uncle Sam

Americans invaded Afghanistan to capture or kill Bin Laden and his Al-Qaeda associates which have turned Afghanistan into a training camp and central headquarters.

The nation-building scheme came as an afterthought in a naive idea that they can civilize these wild Pashtuns (in order to have a long term and stable country that will resist terrorists + strategic base from where to exert control on Central Asia)...
 

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Let's not forget 9-11. Were it not for 9-11 the US would not have wasted Trillion $s in Afghanistan
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If the Americans didn't meddle with Soviet invasions, and Saudi money wasn't used to fund anti Soviet jihaad
9/11 wouldn't have happened in the first place
 

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Let's not forget 9-11. Were it not for 9-11 the US would not have wasted Trillion $s in Afghanistan

US invasion of Afghanistan was just a coverup to reopen the CIA heroin operation that Mullah Omar had ended. Mullah Omar would not give up Osama bin Laden unless George Bush furnished evidence which of course did not exist and the Afghani tradition of hospitality governs here. US stayed there 20 years to run the heroin plantations and for no other reasons.
 

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If the Soviets did not invade Afghanistan then none of these things would have happened...
No
On the contrary
Soviets would have effectively suppressed pashton Tribalism, Taliban would have never grown under Commies
Or the Several Splinter groups which sprouted out of it like Al Qaeda and Lashkar e Touiba
Afghans would have been a civilised society, atleast a good number of Afgans, if it was communist Afghanistan instead of Tribal Kalashnikov-weilding-Shoot-each-other-to-death Afghanistan
Americans trying to install Liberal democracy in AFG is a meme
Ah fuck, liberal democracy itself is a meme hehee
 

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US invasion of Afghanistan was just a coverup to reopen the CIA heroin operation that Mullah Omar had ended. Mullah Omar would not give up Osama bin Laden unless George Bush furnished evidence which of course did not exist and the Afghani tradition of hospitality governs here. US stayed there 20 years to run the heroin plantations and for no other reasons.
100% correct. The entire Afghan war was about oil, heroin and embezzling money.

Afghanistan in itself had absolutely nothing to do with 9/11. Nineteen Arabs met in the Middle East, flew to Germany, then the UK, then the US in 2000 and spent the next year planning their attack. They were persuaded by the khutbahs in some Saudi mosques and by one faction, the Al-Qaeda that predatory loans had murdered millions of Muslims, and the guilty parties were all those in the World Trade Center.

John Perkins' book Confessions of an Economic Hitman proves that the predatory lenders did kill some Muslims (though the majority of their victims were non-Muslims), but Perkins had no idea who his employers were, they were very careful to hide their identity, even from their own employees, and almost certainly had nothing to do with the World Trade Center.

None of this or pretty much any foreign action they have taken in recent decades has anything to do with the safety of the US. But it's not exactly for fun either.

The entire game plan was oil and heroin. The soldiers who died in Afghanistan did so:

1. To make money for the military industrial complex
2. To make slush funds for the CIA from opium
3. To make money for mining corporations owned by Wall Street capitalists
4. To make money for UNOCAL building pipelines
5. To occupy a strategically located nation from which
(a) Iran was planned to be invaded from the east along with from Iraq in the west
(b) China was to be destabilized by pushing jihadi head choppers into Xinjiang

(c) Russia was to be harmed via the Central Asian stans in its backyard, which could be subverted and broken away from Moscow's orbit.

When it comes to the invasion itself, absolutely none of these reasons had anything to do with bin Laden, because the Taliban had actually OFFERED to extradite bin Laden to a third country for trial if evidence of his guilt was provided. US of A didn't even try and just invaded the country outright.

That's because the invasion of Afghanistan was decided long before the 9/11 attacks; specifically, the Imperialist States of America had decided on regime change from the minute Mullah Omar in 1997 decided to award pipeline rights to BRIDAS of Argentina instead of UNOCAL. And although bin Laden was in Afghanistan during this period (1996-7), the American government had absolutely no hesitation in negotiating with the Taliban at the time.
 

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100% correct. The entire Afghan war was about oil, heroin and embezzling money.

Afghanistan in itself had absolutely nothing to do with 9/11. Nineteen Arabs met in the Middle East, flew to Germany, then the UK, then the US in 2000 and spent the next year planning their attack. They were persuaded by the khutbahs in some Saudi mosques and by one faction, the Al-Qaeda that predatory loans had murdered millions of Muslims, and the guilty parties were all those in the World Trade Center.

John Perkins' book Confessions of an Economic Hitman proves that the predatory lenders did kill some Muslims (though the majority of their victims were non-Muslims), but Perkins had no idea who his employers were, they were very careful to hide their identity, even from their own employees, and almost certainly had nothing to do with the World Trade Center.

None of this or pretty much any foreign action they have taken in recent decades has anything to do with the safety of the US. But it's not exactly for fun either.

The entire game plan was oil and heroin. The soldiers who died in Afghanistan did so:

1. To make money for the military industrial complex
2. To make slush funds for the CIA from opium
3. To make money for mining corporations owned by Wall Street capitalists
4. To make money for UNOCAL building pipelines
5. To occupy a strategically located nation from which
(a) Iran was planned to be invaded from the east along with from Iraq in the west
(b) China was to be destabilized by pushing jihadi head choppers into Xinjiang

(c) Russia was to be harmed via the Central Asian stans in its backyard, which could be subverted and broken away from Moscow's orbit.

When it comes to the invasion itself, absolutely none of these reasons had anything to do with bin Laden, because the Taliban had actually OFFERED to extradite bin Laden to a third country for trial if evidence of his guilt was provided. US of A didn't even try and just invaded the country outright.

That's because the invasion of Afghanistan was decided long before the 9/11 attacks; specifically, the Imperialist States of America had decided on regime change from the minute Mullah Omar in 1997 decided to award pipeline rights to BRIDAS of Argentina instead of UNOCAL. And although bin Laden was in Afghanistan during this period (1996-7), the American government had absolutely no hesitation in negotiating with the Taliban at the time.
One of the largest businesses in the world is narcotics. While the CIA restarted the opium plantations right after the invasion of Afghanistan, they could not handle the whole world distribution themselves. So they drew in the BND, MI6 and other intelligence agencies to perform the task.

In the US the CIA-US Air Force flew it in the United States and the Mafia conducted the distribution while major city police forces looked the other way for their cut. For example, Camp Bondsteel in Kosovo was a major hub for European distribution and the US Air Force handled the transportation of the heroin from Afghanistan to this distribution point.
 

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A little too much nonsense.

How was the "invasion" of Crimea so bloodless then? There is nothing indicating Russia has the balls or wants to do something against Eastern Europe like the US did to Iraq unless US is trying to expand NATO further, obviously an aggression from the Russian perspective, which is exactly what the Ukraine 2014 situation looked like.
Because there was a period of political instability. Because no one expected such meanness from Russia. Because the democratic countries were advised not to resist and to solve everything by political means. But Putin only understands strength, and when they began to resist him in the Donbass, the end of Novorossiya came.
 

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Because there was a period of political instability. Because no one expected such meanness from Russia. Because the democratic countries were advised not to resist and to solve everything by political means. But Putin only understands strength, and when they began to resist him in the Donbass, the end of Novorossiya came.
US has no interest in the Ukraine except as a way to weaken Russia. The eastern Ukraine was incorporated into the Ukraine province by Lenin to make sure of it as the Austrians had sown in the Ukraine the seeds of independence to successfully weaken the Russian Army in World War 1. Much of the western Ukraine was part of Poland before World War 2. Stalin gave Poland the German areas as Danzig in return for Stalin taking what is now the western Ukraine.
 
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