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I think there's no more genocidal maniac in EU and NATO. That's precisely why former Soviet satellites are flocking to these associations and away from USSR's mini me.
Yea right Libya Iraq Yemen afganistan Africa will all like to have a word with you.

Shameless Europeans holding on to territory far away from their homelands even after de-colonization tells you a lot about them.
 

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RIGHT now, NATO exists to fulfill the American dream of Dismantling Russia, and Russian now has enough strength, to act on the threat. .
NATO is not capable of defending the Ukraine after the disaster of NATO in Afghanistan.

There has been a hesitancy on part of both the United States and NATO to encourage Ukraine joining NATO because of the ramifications that both Kiev and NATO may face in the aftermath.

Since Ukraine cannot win a hypothetical “shooting war” with Russia, and the US “is not in the position to come to their aid,” any potential showdown can spell doom for the military alliance.
 

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The population of the Ukraine is today about 37 million if we deduct the Russian part such as the Crimea and the Luhansk, Donbas, etc. none of which will ever be part of the Ukraine again. And in fact, the Eastern Ukraine is actually Russian where most of the ten million Russians live and is certain in the future to go back to Russia which is a territory of Russia which Lenin included with the Western Ukraine to assure the loyalty of the Western Ukraine to Russia.

Sevastopol and the Crimea were joined to the Ukraine by Khrushchev who was a Ukrainian Russian himself. These were always part of Russia.

The idea of an independent Ukraine was invented by the Austrians in World War 1 to weaken their adversary Russia. It worked and the Russian Army became demoralized as the Ukrainian soldiers left the Russian Army when the Ukraine seceded from Russia in the middle of the war supported by the Bolsheviks to undermine the Tsar.

That's an ignorant version of Ukraine's history.
 

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100 million killed under USSR?
Lol 2 cent bot, at least get your talking points straight.

That 100 million figure is for ALL COMMUNIST REGIMES IN HISTORY, not just the USSR.

Plus, it's a literal CIA propaganda figure and exaggerated.

The book's very co-authors Margolin and Werth felt that Courtois was 'obsessed' with arriving at a total of 100 million killed which resulted in 'sloppy and biased scholarship', faulted him for exaggerating death tolls in specific countries"

people who weren't born, but could've -> Victims of Communism
Nazi soldiers killed in battle with the Soviets -> Communist-caused deaths etc.

Fucking seriously?
 

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That's an ignorant version of Ukraine's history.
When Germany dictated terms to Russia through General Max Hoffman at Brest-Litovsk the Russians formerly lost the following areas:

Finland , Estonia , Latvia , Lithuania , Poland , Belarus , and Ukraine became independent, while Bessarabia united with Romania.

Russia lost 34% of its population, 54% of its industrial land, 89% of its coalfields, and 26% of its railways. Russia was also fined 300 million gold marks.

When Russia was dismantled by the west under their CIA agent Boris Yeltsin, the US military demanded the freeing of the above areas following the views of Field Marshall Paul von Hindenburg.

When Hindenburg was asked why they needed the Baltic states he replied, “To secure my left flank for when the next war happens.”
 

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Yea right Libya Iraq Yemen afganistan Africa will all like to have a word with you.

Shameless Europeans holding on to territory far away from their homelands even after de-colonization tells you a lot about them.

Just look at Afghanistan now after America left it...
 

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Highly educated, cultured and very rich doormats! Oh those European fools!

Why don't they want to become Russia's dormats? :pound:
Genocidal spawns of the devils killing million upon millions and taking their wealth over centuries while acting educated and cultured right?
 

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When Germany dictated terms to Russia through General Max Hoffman at Brest-Litovsk the Russians formerly lost the following areas:

Finland , Estonia , Latvia , Lithuania , Poland , Belarus , and Ukraine became independent, while Bessarabia united with Romania.

Russia lost 34% of its population, 54% of its industrial land, 89% of its coalfields, and 26% of its railways. Russia was also fined 300 million gold marks.

When Russia was dismantled by the west under their CIA agent Boris Yeltsin, the US military demanded the freeing of the above areas following the views of Field Marshall Paul von Hindenburg.

When Hindenburg was asked why they needed the Baltic states he replied, “To secure my left flank for when the next war happens.”

Ukraine existed way earlier than that. Google is your bf
 

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Highly educated, cultured and very rich doormats! Oh those European fools!

Why don't they want to become Russia's dormats? :pound:
Shouldn't want to become anyone's doormat, whether America or Russia.

No amount of MUHHH cultural educational LARP will change the fact that Europe is America's puppet and has participated in doing their dirty deeds for decades.
 

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Just look at Afghanistan now after America left it...
You absolute duffer how dumb can you be retard.

Afghanistan is what it is today because US trained radical mujhadeens to get Afghanistan out of Soviet influence.

What was a okish country with some for of governence turned into a radical hell hole over a few years all thanks to your white master's.

This entire fuckup was started by US in the frist place.
 

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Genocidal spawns of the devils killing million upon millions and taking their wealth over centuries while acting educated and cultured right?
The cultured and rich Fins (who did not colonize any people) do they want to be u der Russian grip? How about the Swedes?
 

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Just look at Afghanistan now after America left it...
What's the difference? You were killing civilians before, and they're doing the same now.

Shouldn't expect much from a 2 cent American bootlicker who said that 10 kids who died from an American airstrike deserved to die because the airstrike was done by his masters.
 

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You absolute duffer how dumb can you be retard.

Afghanistan is what it is today because US trained radical mujhadeens to get Afghanistan out of Soviet influence.

What was a okish country with some for of governence turned into a radical hell hole over a few years all thanks to your white master's.

This entire fuckup was started by US in the frist place.

Stop the name calling. It will not make you any wiser.
 

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Ukraine is nuts. .First you give up your nuclear weapons, which would have stopped Russia from doing what it did in Crimea, then, you want to join NATO, bring a hostile anti Russian alliance right at Russia's doorstep. One thing is certain, the day, it is certain that NATO will grant membership to Ukraine, Russia will launch a full fledged invasion of Ukraine.
Ukraine had a third nuclear potential and an army of almost a million. I began to serve in it at this time. There was nothing to pay the officers' salaries, there was nothing to feed the soldiers. What else is the content of nuclear weapons. I am still sure that we do not need it. But the fact that the army was only reduced and not modernized is a big political mistake.
In 2014, Ukraine was a completely neutral country, and that did not stop Russia from attacking us.
A warning. I will not answer more to the fans of the "Russian World".
 

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Stop the name calling. It will not make you any wiser.
Oh so no answer??

Now now don't ignore the question or do you want your white master's to ship you somewhere else?

Answer my point if you can. The entire fuckup called Afghanistan started because of US period.
 
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