Chinese troops training Pak Army along border with India says intel

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November 14, 2014 21:25 IST

Indian security agencies have learnt that Chinese troops are training Pakistan Army personnel right across the Indo-Pak border in Jammu and Kashmir.

The Chinese troops, according to a report submitted by the BSF intelligence wing, have been seen training Pak armymen in "weapon handling" techniques bang opposite Rajouri sector of International border.

The report said these military manoeuvres were being conducted at forward defence locations of Pakistan which are usually manned by border guarding personnel -- the Pak Rangers.
Preliminary inputs analysed by BSF also showed some Pak army units have taken over paramilitary posts of Rangers opposite Sriganganagar sector.


BSF also found a handful of new observation towers have also been set up by Pakistan in recent past along Abohar and Gurdaspur sectors in Punjab.

The BSF intelligence reported that phone intercepts along the border indicate that Pakistan army and Rangers are planning to deploy snipers and sharp shooters at strategic locations and posts to target Indian soldiers and assets.

The Border Security Force intelligence also reported that a special squad of Pak army commandos have been placed at select locations along the IB and LoC, which may attempt to carry out raids and Border Action Team -- sponsored attacks into the Indian territory.

It also said a large grouping of terrorists has been detected along Sialkot area in Pakistan which may be planning to infiltrate into Jammu and Kashmir at a time when assembly polls are scheduled in the state.

It also said agencies have detected a few launch pads for terrorists to infiltrate along either the International Border or the Line of Control.

The Indo-Pak border, which has been witnessing a series of ceasefire violations in the last few months, is peaceful but tense, in the last few days, the report said.

Chinese troops training Pak Army along border with India says intel - Rediff.com India News

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Is the CCP gonna say they didnt know about this action by their PLA too or They may say they are training the Pak army to fight in East Turkestan.



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After the recent standoffs in Ladakh, PRC is trying to use their trusted pawn to divert India's attention.

The solution was clear last time when India responded heavily. Any Pakistani tomfoolery should be responded to with utter contempt. When they bleed enough, they will return to their senses.
 

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Be it may that Baki army is our enemy, I feel they could teach more to PLA than vice versa. My opinion is with respect to regular infantry of course.

I see only two exceptions :
1) training being given is technical in nature.
2) pakistan is playing "you are our Lord and benefactor" card with Chinese, they have already played this card with the Americans.
 

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Pakistani or Chinese doesn't matter. Any aggression at LoC & IB will be well responded to. Bullet and mortars don't differentiate. If Chinese gets killed there, it shall not be taken as an aggression towards China as China hasn't declared their presence there officially.

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And why is the news that Pak is beefing up defences anything but surprising? Isn't it natural reaction for anyone who has taken a heavy beating?
 
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@sorcerer, the UAVs are doing a good recon job. My view - answer bullet with bullet. If they fire, return fire in heavy quantity and make sure they suffer both human and economic loss.
 
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Re: Chinese troops training Pak Army along border with India says inte

the lighter side of this is that china is sending pack soldiers to an early farewell
and i think india should appreciate it

there is no way pak soldiers are gonna cross that line - just asking to be :toilet:
is my take on the subject.......giving indian soldiers target practice and testing of night vision
equipment and other systems including of course a chance to test our drones

by the way obviously china gains form this .too

it seems packland doesnt want to learn from the abundant library of past mistakes !

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Hmm...."show of friendship", along with, "hey try to shoot us now, we dare you!" ?

It doesnt matter, if we catch them doing something that is against our interest, bullets will not know the difference between Pakistanis and Chinese. In fact some retaliation would go a long way in telling these Chinis to keep to their side of the border.
 

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The interesting thing is, When their will be exchange of fire we are also expecting PLA causality, I have no doubt PLA personal are along PA on borders ..

Is this a start of ' War ', Famous two theater War .. @Ray Sir ..
 
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The interesting thing is, When their will be exchange of fire we are also expecting PLA causality, I have no doubt PLA personal are along PA on borders ..

Is this a start of ' War ', Famous two theater War .. @Ray Sir ..
PLA casualty does not mean two front war. The "advisers/trainers" may be there. Does not mean much. They may be there for showoff to scare India.
 
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My view is complete military, In political sense what you said is happening already ..

PLA casualty does not mean two front war. The "advisers/trainers" may be there. Does not mean much. They may be there for showoff to scare India.
 

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PLA can arm the Pak rangers and send them to do dirty jobs. The war plan wiill be drawn by China, keeping up with the Chinese interests in the region. Like USA, now its PLA's turn to use Pakistan.

The "PLA turning rogue " news could be a diversion which enables PLA to do random tactics like these, which can be misjudged.
 

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PLA is filling into the job of foreign advisers. Let it be. India should not be intimidated by presence of Chinese in Pakistan.

Any infiltration attempt must be replied by artillery fire on the camps. If that is not sufficient, then destroy infrastructure on the other side.
 

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China is doing which he wanna do and at a right moment India will do what he should . So there is nothing to worry about because we are capable to stand alone ,china is playing the games as he always play , Pak is licking to foot of UN,US and china so let them do .
 

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@Kunal Biswas & @Ray sir - The PLA has never fought in a war in close to half a century. Their military personnel have swapped an entire generation with no experience in warfare. The only thing I perceive the PLA to be good at is probably running over Bhutan. Our Army, the pakis, the US and the Russians have all bloodied their noses in gut wrenching low level insurgencies (which I believe is where warfare of the future is headed), a valuable experience that is completely lost on the PLA.

What is your assessment of PLA's fighting capacities when faced with either India, the US or Russia.
 
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PLA as well as Indian Army practiced war senerios in these terrains for years, PLA is actually applying those lessons in real ..
 

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@Sydsynper, your view of war is faulty. You think war is fought by army. Actually war is fought by a nation.

China is a regimented society. It is a society in which each citizen is mobilized. Each child is indoctrinated. India is NOT there at all.

India cannot fight a large scale war with China successfully. This is why GOI developed nuclear weapons, because GOI always knew that conventional war with China is a very difficult proposition.

Pakistan is a society similar to India. Islam does not provide Pakistan any unique or significant advantage. An India/Pakistan match is far more balanced compared to an India/China match.
 
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India's Minister Says China's Support of Pakistani Army 'Unacceptable'

Indian Minister of State for Home Affairs Kiren Rijiju called 'unacceptable' the activity of China, supporting Pakistan in the areas of Jammu and Kashmir, occupied by Pakistan, commenting on the Border Security Force's (BSF) Intelligence report.

NEW DELHI, November 15 (Sputnik) — Indian Minister of State for Home Affairs Kiren Rijiju reacted sharply on Saturday on the Border Security Force's (BSF) Intelligence report stating that China is training Pakistani Army in weapon handling technique along the Indo-Pakistani border.

This activity of China, supporting Pakistan in the areas of Jammu and Kashmir, occupied by Pakistan, is unacceptable," Rijiju told reporters on Saturday. «India will protest against such activities of China," he added.
Indian experts believe that the increasing cooperation between China and Pakistan will have long-term implications. It is becoming a grave security threat to India.

The BSF Intelligence report on Chinese activities needs to be studied carefully. It is a sensitive matter. It will have both political and diplomatic dimensions," said Chitrapu Uday Bhaskar, one of India's leading experts on security.
Srikanth Kondapalli, Professor of Center for East Asian Studies in New Delhi's Jawaharlal Nehru University noted that the Chinese army had also trained the Pakistan troops during the Kargil War — an armed conflict between India and Pakistan which took place in the Kargil district of Kashmir in 1999.

Chinese army is training Pakistani army for long. Not only Pakistani army, the Chinese are also training the armies of Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Myanmar and Nepal," said Kondapalli.

Indian Border Security Force's intelligence wing submitted a report to Home Ministry and National Security Adviser on Friday, stating that the Chinese Army is training Pakistani military personnel near the troubled Rajouri sector of the international border between India and Pakistan.

Since the partition of British India and the creation of modern states of India and Pakistan in 1947, the two countries had been involved in four wars and a number of border skirmishes, mainly due to the territorial dispute over control of the Kashmir region.

source:India's Minister Says China's Support of Pakistani Army 'Unacceptable' / Sputnik international
 

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Lots of talks, But hardly any improvement to fighting capability of Army ..

1. Few Dhanush ..

2. Pending upgrade of 105mm IFG ..

3. Lack of training of using sights with Rifle for every individual solider ..

4. No, Light tanks ..

5. Lack of infrastructure ( Concrete Bomb proof bunkers )


Those elements blocking these to get implemented must put at silence ..
 

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India need huge focus on smart weapons - smart artillery shells, mortar shells and rockets. The time of dumb shells is gone.

The thinking of army has to change too. There is too much rust in this machinery. It needs cleaning and oiling.

With a smart shell (sensor fuzed shell), even an old 105mm can do wonders.
 

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