Chinese Telecom Equipment Now Banned In India

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Don't be naive! National security is just an excuse for India to restrict Chinese companies from doing business in India.
Excuse or not, China cannot contest the ban at WTO..

So far, India still hasn't provide any proof to substantiate its allegation that Chinese companies have embedded malware in the equipments.
..and since it can't contest, India doesn't need to substantiate its stand with any proof.

Surely there is something about high-level equipment that India is aware of that it banned them. Then again communication equipment is less than 5% of Sino-Indian trade. So a vast majority of the trade isn't affected. All the more reason why there are no grounds for China to whine in International fora.
 

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Excuse or not, China cannot contest the ban at WTO..
China has not appealed to WTO in the hope of resolving the dispute through bilateral talks.

If the national security has been used as an excuse to stop Chinese companies from doing business there, it certainly can make a case.

..and since it can't contest, India doesn't need to substantiate its stand with any proof.

Surely there is something about high-level equipment that India is aware of that it banned them. Then again communication equipment is less than 5% of Sino-Indian trade. So a vast majority of the trade isn't affected. All the more reason why there are no grounds for China to whine in International fora.
Today, it is telecom equipments being banned in the name of national security, who knows what else it will be tomorrow.
 

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It is not just a business anymore when Chinese companies are treadted unfairly.
So go ahead and complain in WTO if you win u can have business or else the things will continue as usual :)
 

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So go ahead and complain in WTO if you win u can have business or else the things will continue as usual :)
I am just trying to reason with you, just like China is trying reason with India with regard to this issue.

You can maintain that attitude, pretending everything is under the control of India.
I am not sure if China will go to WTO, but some measures certainly will be taken by China. Many Indian companies are also doing business in China.
 

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I am just trying to reason with you, just like China is trying reason with India with regard to this issue.

You can maintain that attitude, pretending everything is under the control of India.
I am not sure if China will go to WTO, but some measures certainly will be taken by China. Many Indian companies are also doing business in China.
Well china is free to do what it wishes is right for there national security. The point here is those companies are banned (presumably as our gov denies such thing) due to security reasons and China feels it is wrong there so they can go to WTO or there is no ban so nothing can be done about it. If Chinese use some un fair trade practice our gov will respond.
 

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China has not appealed to WTO in the hope of resolving the dispute through bilateral talks.
China has not appealed, because it can't. WTO rules exempt cases which involve national security.

If the national security has been used as an excuse to stop Chinese companies from doing business there, it certainly can make a case.
Yeah, for India.

Today, it is telecom equipments being banned in the name of national security, who knows what else it will be tomorrow.
Toys with high amounts toxic lead (Pb), electronics with fake RoHS labels, so many things that should be banned but India isn't yet banning (on the same grounds in which the US banned some of them). The point is if Chinese companies behave like they're entitled to the Indian market, it will only aggravate the situation further, and it will make things worse for Chinese companies here.
 

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Has the word "win-win" ever struck your mind?

Chinese companies are there to earn money, and India companies are purchasing Chinese telecom equipments to earn money easier. Both Chinese companies and Indian companies will benefit from that cooperation.

I will not deny that Indian government's banning on Chinese telem equipments will hurt Chinese companies such as Huawei and ZTE because India is the largest foreign market for both Huawei and ZTE. So if India's intention is to harm the interest of China, then you certainly have done a good job by issuing that ban.

But i am pretty sure that India can not benefit from that ban at all, unless you count China's loss as your gain ( which is exactly what is happening here). Without Chinese telecom companies, India's cellphone services providers have no alternative but to turn to western companies whose equipments are much more expensive than Chinese companies', as a result, Indian people are going to pay a fortune for that.

Nimo_cn.....you obviously have a tough time lining up your duck chicklings in a row, dont you.

Let me explain this to you in simple language. For 50 years, China has been playing the "your loss is my gain" game with India(to use your own words, as you so beautifully put it).

China my friend wrote the book on the "your loss is my gain" game. Simply put, it describes China's foreign policy with respect to India in one simple phrase.

Why do you think that China developed such a close relationship with Pakistan - because you Chinese (that is wiping out their Uyghur Muslim bothers in China) is so similar to the mullah culture of the Pakistanis. The only reason your country bankrolled Pakistan army and supplied them with nuclear weapon designs is because for China - any enemy of India is automatically China's best friend.

So please stop giving us Indians lectures on morality. Getting a lecture on fair-play from a Chinaman, is like getting a lecture on morality from a child-molester.
 
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http://www.information-age.com/chan...s-you-says-india-to-china-network-firms.thtml

At present, the Department of Telecommunications itself is not forbidding the import of Chinese gear, but all individual procurement requests are routinely being blocked by India's Ministry of Home Affairs, with one unnamed official claiming the government has uncovered alarming information regarding the ownership of ZTE and Huawei.

"We have evidence that the two companies are owned by the PLA (People's Liberation Army) of China, and India's security concerns are well-founded," the anonymous source told Dow Jones Newswires.
Huawei neither confirmed nor denied the presence of a ban on its technology for use by Indian carriers. "We are not able to comment on any specific measures taken or contemplated," Ross Gan, global head of corporate communication, told the Wall Street Journal.
 

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nitesh Iam geeting rumours that an Reliance alcatel JV will set the plant in india and produce the telecome equipment need someone to confirm this
 

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nitesh Iam geeting rumours that an Reliance alcatel JV will set the plant in india and produce the telecome equipment need someone to confirm this
I have spoken with lot of people but it does not seems to include manufacture in India
 

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reliance Alcatel JV is only for maintenance of telecom infrastructure . ALcatel has its own small manuafacturing unit in Bangalore . But have no Idea about if they are trying to expand it . I am ALcatel-Lucent Employee.
 

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thanks for the info.What about the current info that Huawei and ZTE will be blanket banned
 

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reliance Alcatel JV is only for maintenance of telecom infrastructure . ALcatel has its own small manuafacturing unit in Bangalore . But have no Idea about if they are trying to expand it . I am ALcatel-Lucent Employee.
Correct me if I am wrong but that is mainly for R&D unit not for actual order processing.
 

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I agree with this . We should not allow these companies with deep association with chinese military . its known worldwide that chinese military has stake in Hua wei . will china allow DRDO or HAL to operate in their country. Suzlon is also facing severe restriction in china though it has nothing to do with country security. What is Chinese govt doing to allay Indias security fears.
 

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You are right . their profits are much more than alcatel and simens. DO you know WHY?


Most of products of them are cheap rip off of better products.
height of copying is that most of their logs will even have logo of Cisco on it . that means they do a copy and paste for developing applications . not bothered to even remove the names of original developers . You cannot argue with me. I personally know many hua wei employees. they work their ass off for minimum 13-14 hrs a days and sometimes even 7 days a week.
 

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Correct me if I am wrong but that is mainly for R&D unit not for actual order processing.
they do have a small manufacturing and assembling factory in whitefield . thought its very small unit and mainly an assembly unit from where its shipped to all other vendors. They manufacture few components as well but its on very small scale. I hope they increase its production as India is one of biggest market for them.
 

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hehe,Alcatel and Simens? you mean the guys which are ass-kicked by Huawei and ZTE all over the world?
pls check the yearly report of Alcatel, Simens and Huawei before you blahing,ok?

Huawei's profit margin is much more than any of its main rivals,although Huawei's products are much lower.
You are right . their profits are much more than alcatel and simens. DO you know WHY?


Most of products of them are cheap rip off of better products.
height of copying is that most of their logs will even have logo of Cisco on it . that means they do a copy and paste for developing applications . not bothered to even remove the names of original developers . You cannot argue with me. I personally know many hua wei employees. they work their ass off for minimum 13-14 hrs a days and sometimes even 7 days a week.
 

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