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🙄 Fanboys ruin any meaningful military discussions with nationalistic nonsense like the above. If 052D's were Indian you'd switch to praising them in a heartbeat.

How can MF star be a more powerful array when each of its arrays are a quarter of the size of the Type 364A arrays on the 052D's let alone the larger Type 364AB arrays on the 055's?

Larger AESA faces translate to more t/r units, ie more power available. MF Star was built for Saar 6 corvettes, and is mounted much higher, ie limited in array size due to weight limitations on the arrays and cooling but better horizon search.

052D's use a smaller horizon search radar mounted on the highest point of the mast instead, and larger arrays below the bridge. The X-band phased arrays on the 055's perform the same horizon search function.

Magazine size, VLS versatility (Concentric cells allowing both hot and cold launch vs just hot launch on Barak 8 cells), sensor superiority, layered missile defense all make the 052D the better Area air defense platform.
Don't be too serious with Indians

Back to the topic, there are currently 25 052D ships. Is there any follow-up manufacturing news?
 

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🙄 Fanboys ruin any meaningful military discussions with nationalistic nonsense like the above. If 052D's were Indian you'd switch to praising them in a heartbeat.

How can MF star be a more powerful array when each of its arrays are a quarter of the size of the Type 364A arrays on the 052D's let alone the larger Type 364B arrays on the 055's?

Larger AESA faces translate to more t/r units, ie more power available. MF Star was built for Saar 6 corvettes, and is mounted much higher, ie limited in array size due to weight limitations on the arrays and cooling but better horizon search.

052D's use a smaller horizon search radar mounted on the highest point of the mast instead, and larger arrays below the bridge. The X-band phased arrays on the 055's perform the same horizon search function.

Magazine size, VLS versatility (Concentric cells allowing both hot and cold launch vs just hot launch on Barak 8 cells), sensor superiority, layered missile defense all make the 052D the better Area air defense platform.
It is you who is a fonboy not me. MF Star is the best radar comparable only by Agies system. Your shitty air defense systems are of no use and has a range much lower than advertised. They are mot working. A team of Chinese scientists in pakistan is working to fix Chinese supplied BMD. Look at your quality before opening your big , sorry small mouth.
 

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It is you who is a fonboy not me. MF Star is the best radar comparable only by Agies system. Your shitty air defense systems are of no use and has a range much lower than advertised. They are mot working. A team of Chinese scientists in pakistan is working to fix Chinese supplied BMD. Look at your quality before opening your big , sorry small mouth.
In fact, the Calcutta-class destroyer has wasted such a good platform as the USSR11000 destroyer, and there are too many design problems.
 

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In fact, the Calcutta-class destroyer has wasted such a good platform as the USSR11000 destroyer, and there are too many design problems.
Explain those problems. I will explain the flaws of Shitty Type 52 deficiencies.
 

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See, I have no interest in Shitty ships like Type 52 D but you claimed that Kolkatta class destroyer has design flaws. Since it was your claim, you explain first. I will do that in response.
Let me talk about the power system first. The four DT59 gas turbines look very powerful.
Even if the thermal power attenuation still exceeds the Ticonderoga-class cruiser
But DT59 is already a product of the 1970s, and there is no development potential.
052D uses two GT25000 gas turbines and two diesel engines. Although it is not as powerful as India, it has great potential for development.
055 uses four QC280s (products after China's upgrade of GT25000) to achieve a displacement of 12000t, and there is a 30% power surplus, which is convenient for subsequent upgrades
 

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It is you who is a fonboy not me. MF Star is the best radar comparable only by Agies system. Your shitty air defense systems are of no use and has a range much lower than advertised. They are mot working. A team of Chinese scientists in pakistan is working to fix Chinese supplied BMD. Look at your quality before opening your big , sorry small mouth.
MF Star is the best just because India bought it!

Even though it is a small mast mounted system unlike an Aegis which mounts at the base of the superstructure. Even though it has static faces many times smaller than Aegis. MF STAR is mounted on a small Israeli 1300-ton corvette until you started using it on a 7500-ton destroyer.

It is good you are so confident over super systems like Brahmos and MF STAR that you bought from Russia and Israel! They are the solution for everything!
 

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MF Star is the best just because India bought it!

Even though it is a small mast mounted system unlike an Aegis which mounts at the base of the superstructure. Even though it has static faces many times smaller than Aegis. MF STAR is mounted on a small Israeli 1300-ton corvette until you started using it on a 7500-ton destroyer.

It is good you are so confident over super systems like Brahmos and MF STAR that you bought from Russia and Israel! They are the solution for everything!
In fact, that kind of radar is an ordinary foreign trade product. The 346A radar is at least 15 years ahead of that thing.
 

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In fact, that kind of radar is an ordinary foreign trade product. The 346A radar is at least 15 years ahead of that thing.
Ya'll Nibbiars 15 Years ahead any references?.
 

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Ya'll Nibbiars 15 Years ahead any references?.
In 2002, the 346A radar served as the world's first shipborne AESA radar, and it was not until 2018 that the radar on the 22350 was commissioned.
 

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Ya'll Nibbiars any Extrenal Reference's?.
The deputy chief designer of the 346A radar resigned in 1999 and immigrated to Canada. Later, he wrote a memoir about the 346A radar, which is about the battles between different research institutes, the competition for research and development funds, and even the interference of the high-level CCP. Wonderful
 

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Even if there are external information, are you willing to believe their correctness?
Ya'll Nibbiars It dosent matter I believe or not. What matters is I get to read about it's.
 

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Well think about this: no other country bought MF STAR for it destroyers though it is on the open market. Israel uses it on a small corvette.

The Korean Dokdo amphib does use it as supplement to to its Thales air search and surface search radars. That amphibious vessel has no weapon systems other than CIWS and point defense missiles.

But Korean destroyers like the Sejong use a base-mounted Aegis not the MF STAR. Its radar arrangement is the same for the 052s which also the same for Japanese destroyers.


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So why don't the Koreans use MF STAR on its destroyers?

Mainly because MF STAR is not a prime time system for a destroyer class ship with over 100 VLS cells. At least not in East Asia but it is good enough for an amphib vessel with no VLS.
 

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Well think about this: no other country bought MF STAR for it destroyers though it is on the open market. Israel uses it on a small corvette.

The Korean Dokdo amphib does use it as supplement to to its Thales air search and surface search radars. That amphibious vessel has no weapon systems other than CIWS and point defense missiles.

But Korean destroyers like the Sejong use a base-mounted Aegis not the MF STAR. Its radar arrangement is the same for the 052s which also the same for Japanese destroyers.


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So why don't the Koreans use MF STAR on its destroyers?

Mainly because MF STAR is not a prime time system for a destroyer class ship with over 100 VLS cells. At least not in East Asia but it is good enough for an amphib vessel with no VLS.
Ya'll Nibbiars there is no direct corelerant between sales and quality. It's a vague term. Can't be Interpeted on the just few points.
 

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Ya'll Nibbiars there is no direct corelerant between sales and quality. It's a vague term. Can't be Interpeted on the just few points.
Actually, it is less vague than just saying Israeli radars are the best and thus the Calcutta is better :)

Korea bought the MF STAR for the amphib vessel but not for its destroyers.

The Sejong doesn't use the MF STAR arraignment on top of a mast because it limits the size of the radar. And neither do any of the other major guided missile destroyers in the region.

These are direct correlations.
 

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Actually, it is less vague than just saying Israeli radars are the best and thus the Calcutta is better :)

Korea bought the MF STAR for the amphib vessel but not for its destroyers.

The Sejong doesn't use the MF STAR arraignment on top of a mast because it limits the size of the radar. And neither do any of the other major guided missile destroyers in the region.

These are direct correlations.
Ya'll Nibbiars which variant of the Mstar used makes the difference's.
 
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