Chinese J10B roll out!

[thakur_ritesh]

guys topic is about j10 b. everyone here gets back discussing the topic.

thanks.

 

[badguy2000]

Wiki has pictures if you didn't know. I thought a pictorial representation will help better, especially for kindergarten kids.

Blades are a part of the core. The blades will change if the core changes. If you have used a F-110 core, then the blades on the WS-10 should match the F-110, not the Al-31.

Either ways, it shows the Chinese engine in not really Chinese. It's either Russian or American.

WS10's core originates from CMF56.

however, CMF56 originates from F101. in fact, CMF56 can be looked on as the civilian variety of F101.

So WS10 can be looked on as the cousin of Yankee's F101 ,but has nothing to do with any of Russian engines.:2guns:


BTW:
In 1980s, USA and CHina were quasi allies and USA exported some CMF56 to china for civilian purpose.

But chinese RE the core of CMF56 and had it as the base of WS10..

 

[p2prada]

WS10's core originates from CMF56.

however, CMF56 originates from F101. in fact, CMF56 can be looked on as the civilian variety of F101.

So WS10 can be looked on as the cousin of Yankee's F101 ,but has nothing to do with any of Russian engines.:2guns:

You mean CFM 56. Don't joke around. That's not meant to be a fighter engine. It's bypass ratio is too high. A normal fighters engine has a bypass ratio of less than 0.5 while the CFM is more than 5.

 

[badguy2000]

You mean CFM 56. Don't joke around. That's not meant to be a fighter engine. It's bypass ratio is too high. A normal fighters engine has a bypass ratio of less than 0.5 while the CFM is more than 5.

yes, the bypass parts of CFM56 is not fit for fighter engine.
that is why Chinese abandoned the non-core parts of CFM56 and redign their own non-core parts for WS10..


WS10= Chinese indigenious non-core part + the modified core of CFM56.

it is wide know ed in Chinese military forum how WS10 orginates from CFM56....

But only guys like you always blh blah "all chinese are copy of Russia'''..

In fact, CHinese defence industry keeps a touch much closer with west defence industry than you guys think...

west embargo in fact is full of holes

 

[p2prada]

yes, the bypass parts of CFM56 is not fit for fighter engine.
that is why Chinese abandoned the non-core parts of CFM56 and redign their own non-core parts for WS10..


WS10= Chinese indigenious non-core part + the modified core of CMF56.

You are just confused. No matter, its still not indigenous.

 

[badguy2000]

You are just confused. No matter, its still not indigenous.

yes and NO.

CHinese didn't just "copy" the core of CMF56.

CHinese indeed starte from the scratch and grasp the knowhow by developing WS10.

1.when developing WS10, CHinese finished one of full and global most modern R&D infrastructures(wind tunnels, testbeds..etc) ,that is much better than Russia's and can match USA's.

2. More importantly, CHinese mastered the courses and processes of developing a new engine. they learnt why-so by developing WS10.

3. CHinese trained enough young scientists by developing WS10.

in a word, after developing WS10, the only that CHinese need is just time .....money is not problem to CHinese now..

 

[Koji]

LCA is indigenous for most part and we are not claiming otherwise. India never claimed LCA as 100% indigenous unlike China.

Where has anyone said that the J-10 is 100% indigenous? I think everyone recognizes that many J-10 fighters have the Russian engines installed.

 

[youngindian]

i think j10 is look a like israel lavi acording to some sources the Lavi was inspired by the F16, while China's Chengdu J-10 fighter in turn was influenced by the Lavi its my thought

 

[LETHALFORCE]

Lavi was abanodoned by Israel when the chinese bought the program hoping they would get the whole package, what they got was some avionics and shell but Radar and Engine were not part of the package.

 

[youngindian]

but LF chinese are big copycats they might used some russian avonics

 

[LETHALFORCE]

j-10 have went thru many changes in the hopes of making it ready for export,anything Russia gives China will surely knowing the fact that; they have their own plane export market and they don't need a competitor with predatory pricing,reverse engineering and undercutting them in their markets.

 

[youngindian]

but u should know that russian has reffused to sell su33 naval version to chinese

 

[LETHALFORCE]

just look at the Chinese s-300 copies they are trying to sell while using the originals for themselves, russians are refusing to sell alot of things to China. 92% of chinese weapons are of Russian origin.

 

[youngindian]

yes thats the point LF

 

[LETHALFORCE]

why sell something if you don't believe in it? only pakistanis would be stupid enough to buy.

 

[youngindian]

ofcourse paki dosent have n y option or buy
it on creadit or my baap attitude

 

[LETHALFORCE]

and China will give the best of everything for free?? they will get the cheapest export copy

 

[youngindian]

bhai thats why i tell you who cares abt PLA

 

[rock45]

I agree with LF without a indigenous engine and radar for j-10b or any other Chinese made aircraft I can't see a 5th generation platform popping up soon.

On paper and from the nice pictures on all the nice web sites the J-10 looks better then anything China ever made but a lot is still really unknown.

I still think if the J-10 or FC-1 were good and had indigenous engines and radar's worth there while Iran would have bought them. China does weapons for oil and China's one of the few country's that don't care about any ban placed on Iran.

 

[badguy2000]

Lavi was abanodoned by Israel when the chinese bought the program hoping they would get the whole package, what they got was some avionics and shell but Radar and Engine were not part of the package.

Israel didn't provide any ready electronic devices like ready radar or avionics to Chinese.

But the touch with Israel indeed opened the Chinese engineers's eyes since at that time(1980s),chinese engineers even did not know the concept of modern avionics structures and how modern CAD was used to aircraft design....

CHinese touch with Israel benefited CHinese much,but such benefit mainly lies in the clue of how modern bird should be designed ,instead of any ready model or ready components.:2guns: