Chinese J10B roll out!

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well, obviously ,many tech of the 5G bird has be tested on J10B such as stealth tech

It is reported that Overall J-10B is thought to be comparable to American F-16E/Block 60
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The 01 prototype of the new J-10B was unveiled in March 2009, 3 months after its maiden flight in December 2008. This much improved variant features a DSI/bump engine inlet which not only cuts weight but also reduces RCS, after a similar design was first tested onboard FC-1/JF-17. The aircraft also features a J-11B style IRST/LR and a wide-angle holographic HUD. IRST enables passive detection of enemy aircraft, making J-10B more stealthy in combat. Its nose appears flatter too, similar to that of American F-16, and radar is thought to be PESA (of Russian origin?), the first of such type ever being developed for a Chinese fighter aircraft, giving J-10B a stronger multi-target engagement and ECCM capability. Two underwing inner pylons are strengthened for the heavier ASMs or LGBs. The tip of vertical tailfin was redesigned as well, featuring a large fairing containing communication and ECM antennas, which resembles that of French Mirage 2000. A rear facing MAWS sensor can be seen underneath the parachute boom. A similar system was tested onboard FC-1/JF-17 as well. All these improvements suggest that J-10B is equipped with a new generation of integrated electronic system, ranging from radar to EW system. The aircraft thus serves likely as a testbed for various advanced avionics onboard the 4th generation J-14 (see below). Its mission may be changed from air-superiority to multi-purpose, such as AG. In addition, the aircarft is expected to be powered by an indigenous WS-10A turbofan. Overall J-10B is thought to be comparable to American F-16E/Block 60.
- Last Updated 5/25/09

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J10B seems to be advancing very rapidly..

It can already fly carring missles.

Chinese seems to apply more and more the tech of the 5G bird to J10.



 

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So what else it will carry apart from missiles/bombs? :D :rofl:
It carries a design already 13 years behind on the block 60 [first flight 1996]
and 36 years behind the basic airframe design of the F-16. [first flight 1974]
 

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stealth technology of 5g fighters i dont understand people speak of 5g fighters as if its a childs play there is only 1 complete 5g figher and its f-22 other ones is the f-35 there are no other 5g planes even pakfa or gripen ng is not in advanced stage so you speak of 5g technology in a fighter frame that is of another generatio alltogeher what a joke

cant stop laughing enough of j-10 and the 5th gen technology of chinese origin
 

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stealth technology of 5g fighters i dont understand people speak of 5g fighters as if its a childs play there is only 1 complete 5g figher and its f-22 other ones is the f-35 there are no other 5g planes even pakfa or gripen ng is not in advanced stage so you speak of 5g technology in a fighter frame that is of another generatio alltogeher what a joke

cant stop laughing enough of j-10 and the 5th gen technology of chinese origin
DIS intake is a low cost stealth tech,which is applied to F35 and JF17.
 

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Looks pretty cool. I see new air intakes.

badguy is there more information regarding the avionics of the J-10B. If the J-10B carries a Russian radar and the PAF version carries a French jammer, then I would say it would be a kick azz plane. A reduced Wing loading would also help.

Also, what is the level of composite structures used on the plane. I know China has had difficulties making large pieces of composites. It looks like the tail is made of metal though.
 

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DIS will reduce RCS, but its only part of the equation. The rest of the airframe doesn't look very stealthy. And the composite content of the airframe is critical when reducing RCS. Also, the Radar used and other avionics will determine overall level of stealth.

And what's gonna happen to the J-10A now? Is the production going to be stopped?
 

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Its not DIS, its DSI(Divertless Supersonic Intakes).
 

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Looks pretty cool. I see new air intakes.

badguy is there more information regarding the avionics of the J-10B. If the J-10B carries a Russian radar and the PAF version carries a French jammer, then I would say it would be a kick azz plane. A reduced Wing loading would also help.

Also, what is the level of composite structures used on the plane. I know China has had difficulties making large pieces of composites. It looks like the tail is made of metal though.
Frankly speaking, China's electroniis industry left Russia behind alreadly several years ago.

China's machinining also had caught up with Russia( but it is not a big deal.both China and Russia are left far far behind by west and Japan as for machining)

Russia's superiroty mainly lies in metallurgy and dynamic( Russia's dynamic can matchs USA and is the best in the world but its metallurgy also is left by west and Japan very much)

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stealth technology of 5g fighters i dont understand people speak of 5g fighters as if its a childs play there is only 1 complete 5g figher and its f-22 other ones is the f-35 there are no other 5g planes even pakfa or gripen ng is not in advanced stage so you speak of 5g technology in a fighter frame that is of another generatio alltogeher what a joke

cant stop laughing enough of j-10 and the 5th gen technology of chinese origin
Frankly speaking, I doubt whether Russia's Pakfa can roll out before PLA's counterpart does.:2guns:
 

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Frankly speaking, China's electroniis industry left Russia behind alreadly several years ago.
If you check Human resource, then yes. but, all of those companies are not Chinese companies, except maybe Huawei(is that the right spellin?).

The Russian military industry is way ahead of the Chinese.

China's machinining also had caught up with Russia( but it is not a big deal.both China and Russia are left far far behind by west and Japan as for machining)
You are comparing the civilian industrial complex in China to Russian military complex. The Russian military complex rivals the US. Take example of their ballistic missile technology. To a certain extent the Russian technology is better. The Russian space missions to the ISS is atleast 3 or 4 times more than the US.

This is the list of manned flights to the ISS List of human spaceflights to the ISS - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This is the list of unmanned space flights to the ISS. List of unmanned spaceflights to the ISS - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Russians only look behind in the game, when they are actually right in the front.

Even their fighters, the Su-27 and the Mig-29 have surpassed the American equivalents of F-15 and F-16 in all categories except avionics and maintenance.

The Russian engineers design new aircraft engines in their sleep while Indian and Chinese engineers are still struggling to make their first home grown engine operational.
 

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If you check Human resource, then yes. but, all of those companies are not Chinese companies, except maybe Huawei(is that the right spellin?).

The Russian military industry is way ahead of the Chinese.



You are comparing the civilian industrial complex in China to Russian military complex. The Russian military complex rivals the US. Take example of their ballistic missile technology. To a certain extent the Russian technology is better. The Russian space missions to the ISS is atleast 3 or 4 times more than the US.

This is the list of manned flights to the ISS List of human spaceflights to the ISS - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This is the list of unmanned space flights to the ISS. List of unmanned spaceflights to the ISS - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Russians only look behind in the game, when they are actually right in the front.

Even their fighters, the Su-27 and the Mig-29 have surpassed the American equivalents of F-15 and F-16 in all categories except avionics and maintenance.

The Russian engineers design new aircraft engines in their sleep while Indian and Chinese engineers are still struggling to make their first home grown engine operational.
you seem to deny that powerful civilian industry is the base of sustained powerful military industry.. in fact, many civilian industry tech called is dual industry section for both miliatry and civilian purpose.


the base of manufacturing a good bird are the following industry&tech sections:

1. good material tech(including good metalugy and composite material):: decent birds needs decent alloy ,metal and composite. any of them cost billions of USD.;
As for material tech, West and Japan has the best tech. Russia and CHina are still decades behind . that is why west engine and bird always has longer life-span than Russia's and CHina's.
But China's material has caught up with Russia gradually and its enine lifespan has suppassed Russia's one and reduce the gap betweeen it and west. But in foseeable future( I mean before we retire) , it is impossible for CHina to catch up with west ;

2.good machining tech: you need good machining tools to machine good material like Titainum alloy or composite material;
The top machining tools are still made In Europe and USA. Japanese are good at mid-tech machining tools.
Russia and CHina can make some types of decent machining tools but still are far far behind west and Japan as a whole;
frankly speaking, to manufacturing top mahiniing tools also itself also need top material as the base,because top manufactuing tools itself need top metal/alloy components.
:2guns:

decent material and decent machining tools are the base of bases....without them ,to build a decent bird is just a wet dream.

west countries and Japan are the leading countries and leave Russia and CHina far behind,let alone India and other developing countries...

India friends, PLS face the reality and stop "blh bla"...
 

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3.good dynamics:
Good dynamics is useful not only to aircraft design,but also useful to subs/ship design. but good dynamics need two thing: good R&D infrastructures( wind-tunnels and testbeds...) and experience.
Russia and USA have the best dynamics in the world,because both have owned full R&D infrastrutures and accumulated full experience for over half century.

Euroepan(mainly Frace and UK) also has owned full R&D infrastructure for long time and has lots of experience,but it stil is much behind Russia and USA.

China has finished its R&D infrastructure( wind-tunnels .testbeds..) just now. But CHinese R&D infrastructures is much more modern than Russia's and can even match USA'. However, Chinese still needs decades to accumulate experience and data ,before they surpass Russia and west;

Japan has still not finished its R&D infrastructure yet and the weakest in the field of the big 5(USA,EU,Russia and CHina).

As for India, I don't know much about India's dynamics,but India seems to lack such R&D infrastructure as Japan does,because many dynamic experiment of LCA wer reported to be carried out in Russia or France.
 

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4: decent electronic industry: Avionics and radar are more and more important to the performance of a aircraft. but only decent electronic industry can produce decent avionics and radar.(

But again, west (USA and EU) have the best and most advanced electronic industry. As I point on the previous post, West has the most advanced material and t machining tools in the world . Decent material and machining tools are and base of decent electronic industry. that is why West alway leaves Soviet/Russia and CHina decades behind as for bird avionic and radar;

Russia's electronics industry is much behind west and Japan,but its electronic industry is quite "indigenious" and can survive even if Russia were to be blocked by other countries.

China's electronics industry is catching up rapidly,due to its close touch and communication with west counterparts. China's electronics final products like radar and avonics may have supassed Russia's counterparts. For example, China's PESA and AESA in fact are reported to be advancing more smoothly than Russia . the electronics section of HQ9 is also better than Russia's S300;

But CHina still need import some components and is not as "indigenous" as Russia. obviously it is a quite deadly weakness to China,

As for Japan ,it is very interesting that Japan performs very terriblely ,although its has quite advanced materical and machining tech.....the AESA of Japnese F2 in fact is a example of failure. Japanese seems to be always the best supplies and best components and always failed in assemling components....
 
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the radar will make or break the plane do you know specifically which radar will be on it??
 

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